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The Nationals are dangling Pudge Rodriguez; may be delusional about his value

May 31, 2011, 10:03 AM EDT

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People have been speculating about this since Buster Posey got hurt last week, but Buster Olney reports that the Nationals have “reached out” to the Giants to gauge their interest in Ivan Rodriguez.

Based on what Mike Rizzo had to say in today’s Washington Post, however, the Giants will actually have to give something up to land the Nats’ .211/.259/.342, nearly 40-year-old catcher:

“To move him, it would have to be a good deal that helps us long term, not a quick fix trade for offense to get us to the time when Ryan Zimmerman is back,” Rizzo said. “Pudge would be a big piece for a contending team if they needed a catcher.”

Look, you love Pudge. I love Pudge. Everyone loves Pudge. And I get that Mike Rizzo’s job is to try to drive the best bargains he can for the Nationals.  But to think that anyone is going to give up anything of real value for him is suffering from delusions of some kind.

  1. Paul Zummo - May 31, 2011 at 10:19 AM

    But to think that anyone is going to give up anything of real value for him is suffering from delusions of some kind.

    Delusions about player value is a common trait here in DC. Every prospect is a potential superstar, every mediocre player is a breakout Hall-of-Famer in the making.

    • woodenulykteneau - May 31, 2011 at 11:14 AM

      Well, at least the folks that only read the Washington Post or MASNSports. Those of us who read the independent prospect blog have a better sense of how good the system is or isn’t.

  2. thomas2727 - May 31, 2011 at 10:25 AM

    Pretty simple. People think the Giants are over a barrel so they are going to ask for a kings ransom for a catcher.

    Yes they need an upgrade over Whiteside but giving much more than a marginal prospect is probably not going to happen.

    Sabean has already been smart and not went into panic mode with the catcher situation.

    Somebody will become available at the right time and price.

    Sabean is not going to give up a top prospect to rent a catcher for 100 games when Posey hopefully will be ready for the 2012 regular season. The key word is hopefully

  3. Jonny 5 - May 31, 2011 at 10:25 AM

    Well look what they paid Werth.. Duhhh. What’s he batting that same old .200 with RISP again? On top of all that he’s got “things” to say about the club, not his own deficiencies of course. But yeah, everyone loves Pudge. I don’t think he’ll be a particularly hot trade pc myself though.

    • thomas2727 - May 31, 2011 at 10:27 AM

      Funny how Werth had never hit before or after having Howard, Utley, Ibanez, Victorino, Rollins etc protecting in the lineup.

      • Jonny 5 - May 31, 2011 at 10:41 AM

        SHHHH!!! “protection is a myth crowd” lurking…..

        I fully expected him to equal less in Washington myself. Not because the Phillies are “stacked” with bats or anything, but because Washington has wayyyy too many holes in it’s line up.

      • paperlions - May 31, 2011 at 11:30 AM

        It isn’t a crowd lurking, it is an avalanche of data demonstrating the fact.

      • thomas2727 - May 31, 2011 at 11:43 AM

        Hey maybe it’s just a coincidence that Werth is 32 and has had 2 respectable years and both were in a loaded lineup.

    • JBerardi - May 31, 2011 at 10:40 AM

      “What’s he batting that same old .200 with RISP again?”

      Yes, there’s no more meaningful statistic than batting average over an extremely low number of ABs. Especially when you don’t even seem to know what it is exactly.

      • Jonny 5 - May 31, 2011 at 10:47 AM

        Yes, we’ve come to a point where getting hits with men on base ISN’T the most important thing to do…. Go pound sand JB. Since you must WANT to argue, his OPS is it’s lowest since 2005..

      • uberfatty - May 31, 2011 at 11:21 AM

        Jonny, you need to look at other things besides just the BA to see if he really has been performing worse with RISP. His BABIP with RISP for example, was .214 last year and .250 this year. Also, he has under 55 PA with RISP this season, so any conclusions that are drawn from that statistic need to come with the caveat that the results are expected to be highly variable.

        As for his OPS this season…his BABIP is the lowest of his career and he went from hitter’s park to a pitcher’s park. Out of context, your statement is correct, but placed in proper context he really isn’t having as bad of a season as you make it seem.

      • Jonny 5 - May 31, 2011 at 11:53 AM

        Uberfatty, I know this stuff. But I don’t really feel like looking up and making a statistical analysis for every comment I make in regards to a player. My point is Werth is stinking it up in Washington while running his mouth and actually insinuating he isn’t part of the problem. But he is. And if you’re all about being correct, be correct in knowing CBP is not really a “hitters park” it has been right about middlin’, just above since it’s been opened. Placed in proper context I am correct, as his WAR is lowest since 2005 as well. Oh, and basically every single one of his offensive stats.

      • dprat - May 31, 2011 at 2:27 PM

        re: “What’s he batting that same old .200 with RISP again?”
        Don’t remember if you’ve been one of them, but several Phillies posters on this board in the past have seemed to propagate the myth that Werth as a Phillie was terrible with RISP. The truth is he was terrible with RISP in just one of his four years in Philly, last year. Over his other three years in Philly, he was better with RISP than in other situations. And over his entire 4-year Phillie tenure, he had an OPS+ of 121 with RISP, 21% better than league average. So it’s time to put away the myth that Werth chokes with RISP.

      • Jonny 5 - May 31, 2011 at 3:37 PM

        No, I remember past last season. And I always liked Werth, don’t get me wrong here. He comes of as a jerk at times, probably because he is. But a solid baseball player. And I must add to what you point out. The season he did fail to hit with RISP was probably his best season ever. I don’t understand it, or try to explain the fact away by blabbering something insulting (note above). Facts are facts here. For the last 2 seasons Werth has been terrible at hitting with RISP. I tend to think it’s a fluke of a thing that will end, but if he doesn’t want to be torn to pcs by the Washington media, he needs to figure it out. Sooooon.

  4. missthemexpos - May 31, 2011 at 10:27 AM

    Hopefully Rizzo does not take to heart all the nice things he is saying about Pudge, otherwise I smell a contract extension in the works.

  5. uyf1950 - May 31, 2011 at 10:40 AM

    Why all this chatter about Pudge? There is another catcher that might be available for the right price. What no love for Posada? Pudge and Posada are the same age, their numbers this season are remarkably close and Posada still thinks he has something left in the tank although he’s the only one that thinks that. Come on let’s hear it. Hip, Hip Jorge. Just kidding of course, Posada’s done stick a fork in him.

    • deathmonkey41 - May 31, 2011 at 11:51 AM

      Here we go again- another mindless poster spewing hate for Jorge and claiming his career is done. Just because he was never a good catcher and is vitually useless back there now…and just because he’s only hitting a paltry .167 from the left side…and just because he hasn’t had a single hit all season from the right side does not mean that he is done as a player…oh wait…that’s exactly what that means. My apologies…carry on, good sir!

  6. uuddlrlrbastart - May 31, 2011 at 11:34 AM

    This seems like the sort of thing a GM has to say before trading a player. It’s not like he can go out there and trash his players and then expect to get value for them. Only owners can do that!

    • rebarratige - May 31, 2011 at 1:43 PM

      This comment is a star, but not a superstar.

  7. deathmonkey41 - May 31, 2011 at 11:46 AM

    Cool- if delusional asking prices are all the rage- I say the Yankees should dangle Francisco Cervelli out there for Lincecum. Come on, do it Giants- Francisco is the missing piece!

    • uyf1950 - May 31, 2011 at 11:51 AM

      I don’t think the Yankees would be interested. A scrawny dude like Lincecum would never survive in NY.

    • pisano - May 31, 2011 at 12:48 PM

      Wouldn’t that be be great if the Giants were that dumb? the only team I know that makes those kind of moves is Boston. First and foremost was the Dice-K fiasco (worse than the London train robbery) then right behind that dumb ass move was giving Crawford 120+ mil. a year to look like a strikeout machine. Just last night with the game on the line in the late innings and the bases loaded here comes Carl to strikeout. I don’t know how the boy blunder(Theo) kept his job with those two brilliant moves.

      • uyf1950 - May 31, 2011 at 12:56 PM

        My friend, ask yourself this question if Crawford was worth $142M over 7 years to the Red Sox. Don’t you think they cheated Gonzalez? He should have been paid $300M.

      • Chris Fiorentino - May 31, 2011 at 12:58 PM

        Probably has something to do with that World Series ring he got in 2007, the year of the Dice-K “fiasco”.

  8. sayheykidwschamp - May 31, 2011 at 12:40 PM

    Whiteside will do just fine with this staff. He has been the backup for 3 years, came up through the system and knows these pitchers very well. He is young, athletic and his only negative is hitting. But no one we bring in will replace Posey’s bat. That will have to come from other positions.

    Whiteside deserves to be given a shot to keep the job until Posey returns and so far he looks good. He caught JSanchez complete game and caught a good game yesterday with Bumgarner. The additional offense will hopefully come from Brandon Crawford (SS rookie), Brandon Belt (1B & LF) and Manny Burriss. Additionally we seemed to have closed up the hole at SS with Crawford who has a slick glove and showing a really good bat for a rookie.

    I don’t see how Sabean can justify giving up prospects or ready players for someone like Pudge. At this point, Whiteside is better than Pudge. Once Whiteside gets a couple weeks to strengthen his legs, he will be ready to be the full-time catcher for the Giants.

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