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Yesterday was a banner day for 7-3 scores

May 31, 2011, 1:03 PM EDT

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Last night I tweeted — and this morning in the recaps, I regurgitated — my surprise that there were four games yesterday which ended with a score of 7-3.  In response, Dianagram of the Value Over Replacement Grit blog researched the matter to see if, indeed, yesterday was a remarkable day for 7-3 scores.  Her results can be read here.

Sometimes I take pride in myself over my baseball geekdom. And then someone like Dianagram comes along and reveals me to be a rank amateur.  Yet the momentary sadness I feel when I realize how wanting I am in this department is quickly replaced by my joy that such people are out there doing God’s work.

Well, assuming God cares about stuff like how many games ended with a score of 7-3 on a specific day. Which He should be, really, or else what’s the point of omnipotence?

  1. halladaysbicepts - May 31, 2011 at 1:12 PM

    Ah, another sabermatician trying to find meaning in how many 7-3 games that have occured since 1914. Another laughable stat: VORG.


    • heyblueyoustink - May 31, 2011 at 1:25 PM

      Sigh….someone needs to pay for you to go to charm school….

      I think i’m gonna send you an abacus for Christmas this year Bicepts, then maybe you won’t hate numbers so much

      • halladaysbicepts - May 31, 2011 at 1:29 PM

        I am a graduate from the school of hard knocks.

        I use a calculator all the time when I do my bills and need to balance the checkbook. Performing calculations based upon REAL things is a necessary think.

        Contemplating any significance as to why there were four 7-3 games yesterday is UNREAL.

      • heyblueyoustink - May 31, 2011 at 2:00 PM

        Did they give you your degree on the skin of statisticians?

      • jimbo1949 - May 31, 2011 at 3:53 PM

        Should’ve worn a helmet.

    • drmonkeyarmy - May 31, 2011 at 1:27 PM

      Just when I thought I was bad for getting into petty arguments on this blog, I read something like this. Who in their right mind would research such a thing? Honestly, who cares. Roughly 1/4 of the games ended 7-3 yesterday…..maybe if we divide that by the total innings played multiplied by pie. Then we take that number and find the inverse square of it divided by the total pitches thrown we can maybe find a correlation between Jon Lester and 7-3 scores. Even then though, I’m not sure there is enough statistical data to prove anything…only to spot a possible trend.

      • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - May 31, 2011 at 1:34 PM

        Was that pie reference on purpose or did you actually misspell that?

      • drmonkeyarmy - May 31, 2011 at 1:39 PM

        typo….spent 5 minutes looking for the symbol then proceeded to botch the spelling. I am aware it is spelled pi…..maybe my subconscious is trying to tell me that it is past lunch time.

      • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - May 31, 2011 at 2:10 PM

        Damn, I really was hoping it was a pie reference b/c that would throw us back into the cake vs. pie debate. I’m always hungry for more on that topic. FUN PUN!!!

      • drmonkeyarmy - May 31, 2011 at 2:20 PM

        I will debate that topic with you….generally pie for me.

      • cur68 - May 31, 2011 at 3:18 PM

        PIe!!??!! damn you doc! Than answer is CAKE. Always will be cake. Never pi. It’s an unwholesome number and and an unwholesome food.

      • dianagram - May 31, 2011 at 3:26 PM

        Mike Cuellar likes pi. He has the most innings pitched with a lifetime ERA of 3.14.

      • cur68 - May 31, 2011 at 3:46 PM

        Mike Cuellar would change for cake. He only wound up with pi because of bad luck. If he’s had cake his ERA would be less than 2.

      • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - May 31, 2011 at 5:42 PM

        First off, it’s PIE! All caps all the time (I just made that up). Second, Cueller is not a pi man or he would have at least made is lifetime ERA match the first ten decimal points of the infamous non-terminating irrational number. Going two decimals in is just weak sauce. WEAK SAUCE I TELLS YA!

  2. Chris Fiorentino - May 31, 2011 at 1:22 PM

    I find it truly sad that you and I follow the same team. You truly are a “master-baiter”.

    • halladaysbicepts - May 31, 2011 at 1:25 PM

      Well, then, tell me this Chris. What significance do you in that there were (4) games yesterday that ended in scores of 7-3? What meaning can one take from this? Why is this interesting to anyone?

      • Chris Fiorentino - May 31, 2011 at 1:40 PM

        In this instance, it is simply something to kill time. It probably took those guys about 5 minutes to come up with those stats. It’s not like they took 48,000 minutes to figure it out.

        Obviously, Craig was just looking to fill the blog with a post about a peculiar score. No big deal to me. And the stat VORG you mention is just a goof…as much as I don’t always agree with the stat geeks, you take it to an extreme that even makes me cringe.

      • ngearhart1981 - May 31, 2011 at 2:12 PM

        Nobody’s looking for signifigance for meaning. They’re just seeing how many times it happens. That’s all.

      • paperlions - May 31, 2011 at 3:39 PM

        It is called trivia. Jees, everything doesn’t mean something…in fact, most things mean nothing at all, they just are.

    • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - May 31, 2011 at 1:38 PM

      Chris, your team has him and you MUST keep him!! As you may recall, I had some spats with you over the last year in HBT world. You know what? I dearly miss that, b/c you and I had facts and such to back our respective snark. We would disagree, talk smack, use examples, talk more smack, cite facts, talk further smack…The good ‘ol days. Now what can I do other than to suggest that if someone (you know who) doesn’t like the headline then he/she (he) should not read the article?

      • Chris Fiorentino - May 31, 2011 at 1:51 PM

        LIke I said, he’s just a “master-baiter” and that’s all he is. He probably doesn’t believe half the stuff he says because he contradicts himself. He’s a fair-weather fan who will bash the Phillies if they get shut-out after they just won 10 games in a row. I have zero respect for guys like that.

      • halladaysbicepts - May 31, 2011 at 2:04 PM

        Chris, I’m a fair-weather fan because I critique the Phillies when they have a bad game? You call it bashing because I don’t like when my team was hitting like a bunch of dogs?

        You are the type of fan that I don’t like because you have no heart and are always to pump in sunshine about the Phillies, regardless of how they play. That’s why they play 162 games, Chris. Always something new everyday to talk about and OK to moan when they don’t play well.

        Most true Phillies fans don’t like when the team plays bad and will voice their displeasure. That’s what separates Philly from other passionless cities.

      • Chris Fiorentino - May 31, 2011 at 2:13 PM

        Dude, it’s one thing to “critique” your team and another thing to be a complete asshole about it. After taking 2 of 3 from the Mutts in NY, you said, and I quote,

        “Vance Worley is a piece of sh*t. Everyone in Philly is has overblown this kid as the savior of the 5th starting spot since last year. Too much pressure to put on a kid. The Mutts abused him like a red head step child. Because of the piece of sh*t Worley, the Phils did not sweep the Mutts. Pathetic. I was so disgusted watching that game that I kicked the sh*t out of my grill as I was cooking out yesterday.”

        Seriously? He’s the 5th starter and the Phillies took the first two games. The Mutts, while they are just that, are also men. They have pride. If you didn’t expect the Mutts to come out hitting on Sunday, then you are as dumb as you are a dick.

        And then this morning, after a hard-fought win for the Phillies in DC when Doc didn’t have his “A” game, where were you in the ATH post? Not a single word from you about how they fought back from two deficits, granted against the Gnats, but still…they did it. Where were you? Nowhere to be found. But you are everywhere else calling people a bag of d**ks, which you stone-cold stole from Louis C.K. But what you don’t seem to get is that Louis CK was MOCKING the guy who called him a bag of d**ks. You sound beyond stupid when you use the term.

        As Pedro Cerrano said in a previous post, which I won’t take credit for…you, sir, are the biggest d**k in the aforementioned bag of d**ks!!!

      • halladaysbicepts - May 31, 2011 at 2:18 PM


        LOL!!!!!! If you take every comment that I write as gospel, you’re the one with a big problem.

        I think you said before that debating/arguing in a blog post is like the special olympics or something along those lines. I think you ought to follow your own advise.

      • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - May 31, 2011 at 2:20 PM

        Thanks for the shout out, Fiorentino. I’m like the Kanye of humor, I sample the old, but then edit to bring a new twist to the old. Bicepts is the P Diddy of humor, just straight samplin’ and adding nothing new to the equation.

      • Chris Fiorentino - May 31, 2011 at 2:22 PM

        No, what you write proves that you are a fair-weather fan, and an idiot to boot. You don’t stand by what you write and now you want to back-track. What a complete idiot you are. You are even dumber than I thought. Keep on bashing the Phillies after they win 2 out of every 3 games dipshit.

      • drmonkeyarmy - May 31, 2011 at 2:26 PM

        In fairness to Bicpets, Worley has been over hyped by the fan base since his first arrival last season. While calling him a piece of sh*t is way out of bounds, the kid needs to garner some perspective judging by his comments last week. It seems typical of some Phillies fans to only see the negative even in victory. I, on the other hand, try to take the positive out of things…even in defeat.

      • halladaysbicepts - May 31, 2011 at 2:34 PM

        Alright, Chris. You bring up with what I said about Vance Worley, who had been wrung up in his last 2 starts. He pitched so badly that he was sent back down once again to AAA to work on his pitching.

        The Phillies obviously agreed with my observation on how badly he pitched. He’s not READY.

        The media and fans like you like to overhype a pitcher like him because he had a few good starts. It takes time to see what you got with a given pitcher before anointing him the second coming.

      • Chris Fiorentino - May 31, 2011 at 2:42 PM

        It’s one thing to say that Worley is over-hyped and not ready. It’s another thing to call the kid a “piece of sh*t”.

      • halladaysbicepts - May 31, 2011 at 2:47 PM

        Chris, it’s called adding some humor to the equation. Do I really think that Worley is personally a piece of sh*t. No. Of course not. I don’t know the kid personally. Do I think he pitched like a piece of sh*t? Absolutely. Was I disgusted watching him get around? You bet.

      • Chris Fiorentino - May 31, 2011 at 2:51 PM

        Oh, it was humor. I thought you were being an a-hole. Now that I know you were just trying to be funny, then you were being a stupid a-hole. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

      • phukyouk - May 31, 2011 at 3:12 PM

        you are all morons. everyone on HBT knows that bicepts’ opinions are facts.

      • cur68 - May 31, 2011 at 3:23 PM


      • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - May 31, 2011 at 3:34 PM

        As a Braves fans and also an instigator, I dare say this is the best comments thread to grace the pages of HBT. Thank you and you’re welcome.

      • phukyouk - May 31, 2011 at 3:41 PM

        @ cur – YuH Huh! he stated this himself a week ago. and since that was his opinion and his opinion is fact…

      • cur68 - May 31, 2011 at 3:44 PM

        @p-youk; I know, heh, heh , heh. I was buistin’ his stones about it pretty hard too. And that, too, is a fact.

  3. spudchukar - May 31, 2011 at 1:30 PM

    …Er Omniscience.

    • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - May 31, 2011 at 1:35 PM

      HA! I was gonna get all nerdy and try to correct Craig, but figured “all powerful” and “all knowing” both kinda fit. The latter fits betta though.

  4. Jonny 5 - May 31, 2011 at 1:44 PM

    All I have to say is that Dianagram is one hardcore nerdy chick. How does she find time fer all that figurin’?

    • Chris Fiorentino - May 31, 2011 at 1:52 PM

      I guarantee this was a 5 minute search on one of the websites that contains all the box scores ever.

      • Jonny 5 - May 31, 2011 at 2:19 PM

        Yes, you’re correct, but duuuude, read her other stuff, ya know things not 7-3 score related. And I stand by my comment. HARDCORE!

    • sdelmonte - May 31, 2011 at 1:59 PM

      She might be the Perfect Woman. Clearly. (Note: this is not a proposal. My wife would kill me, and Dianagram probably roots for some team I don’t like and therefore is incompatible. If still Perfect.)

  5. dianagram - May 31, 2011 at 1:58 PM

    Why did I research this? Because it was there.
    That’s why many of us blog. Because SOMETHING catches our eye . . . makes us stop and think.
    Do I REALLY think knowing the day on which there were the most 7-3 games is going to move the sabermetric community forward . . . break new ground? Certainly not.
    But not every aspect of analysis has to be so heavy and meaningful. I have friends who make note of every catcher’s interference, or pinch-hit grand slam. I have one fellow SABR acquaintance who computed Charlie Brown’s actual baseball statistics from all the Peanuts cartoons. Why? Because its out there . . . it hasn’t been researched . . . its fun.
    This didn’t take me years to compute (I have an SPSS file of all the Retrosheet game logs). With that, I was able to weed out the 7-3 and 3-7 outcomes by date.
    (Yes, I am a data analyst by day …. I am very comfortable with spreadsheets).

    • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - May 31, 2011 at 2:08 PM

      I love you.

      • halladaysbicepts - May 31, 2011 at 2:11 PM

        El Bravo, you don’t have the class or pedigree to score with a woman with the class of a dianagram. She’s out of your league.

      • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - May 31, 2011 at 2:15 PM

        ps. I will never call Starlin Castro by his given name again. From here on, he will be SCROTAL STRAIN!!!!

        You see everyone? This is why we look at seemingly (or actually) unimportant information! It’s for the gems like these!

      • ngearhart1981 - May 31, 2011 at 2:17 PM

        Sarcasm, halladaysbicepts? Because you wasted more time than dianagram spent adding this up making fun of her for doing it in this very thread.

    • drmonkeyarmy - May 31, 2011 at 2:18 PM

      I always appreciate when who wrote the blog or are mentioned in the blog respond to comments. I just don’t find meaning in analyzing scores of baseball games. If you do, that’s great….have fun with it. That is not meant as sarcasm. I also don’t find much meaning in a lot of the sabermetric stuff that floats out there. While some of the data is useful (OPS, WHIP, etc.), other data particularly that of defensive measurements are fundamentally flawed by human assumption and in my opinion are virtually meaningless. Anyway, more power to you for doing what you have a passion for.

      • dianagram - May 31, 2011 at 2:22 PM

        Thanks Doctor …. no sarcasm noted.

        Some of my other posts have dealt with things like alphabetic lineups, anagramming of player names, the heftiest players in history (through their BMI).

        Its admittedly quirky …. but there are plenty of other folks doing the “heavy lifting” in analysis. I’m enjoying my own little niche.

      • cur68 - May 31, 2011 at 3:28 PM

        dianagram; Which version oaf PASW do you use? I’m @ 18. Loves me some SPSS…you, uh wanna see my MANOVA?

    • Jonny 5 - May 31, 2011 at 2:21 PM

      SHHHH!!! You had me at “SPSS file of all the Retrosheet game logs”… Muah!!

      • rebarratige - May 31, 2011 at 2:39 PM

        The way “nerdy” men react to “nerdy” women on the internet is off-putting sometimes.

      • Jonny 5 - May 31, 2011 at 2:52 PM

        Actually, I’m not a nerd, but I’ve always dug nerdy girls. I don’t know what the deal is. Glasses? Big words? It is possible that I AM a nerd and just never accepted it or decided to follow the whole “Nerdy” lifestyle. Don’t know, but I grew up as a pot smoking, book reading, semi jock, known to chase the women with above average success. Until I met my wife. Now I’m only good for making money and fixing everything, if i know what’s good for me anyways..

      • rebarratige - May 31, 2011 at 2:55 PM

        Strike the “nerdy” in front of “men,” then.

      • Jonny 5 - May 31, 2011 at 3:17 PM

        HA!! Now that’s too true. Although I was just messing around.

    • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - May 31, 2011 at 3:42 PM

      What no one else has ever professed their love to someone they’ve never met or seen in a public comments section of a baseball blog? I find that hard to believe.

  6. uuddlrlrbastart - May 31, 2011 at 2:24 PM

    Truly this is what the internet is all about. A fun little diversion about a quasi-historical event causing vitriol to spew forth because everything must be criticized dammit!

    • dianagram - May 31, 2011 at 2:26 PM

      OK ….. I LOL’ed!

      (and the comments seem to include stuff about the Phillies …. [shrug])

  7. dianagram - May 31, 2011 at 10:47 PM

    Coming up tomorrow on the VORG, the 10 most frequent final scores in baseball. (Yes, really).

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