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Giants GM: If Scott Cousins “never plays another game in the big leagues, I think we’ll all be happy…”

Jun 2, 2011, 8:19 PM EST

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The Giants are still plenty upset about the late-May collision at home plate that caused an early end to catcher Buster Posey‘s 2011 season.

Earlier this week, Giants manager Bruce Bochy reached out to Joe Torre, who now serves as Major League Baseball’s vice president of baseball operations, and lobbied for a rule change.

Now Giants general manager Brian Sabean is targeting Marlins outfielder Scott Cousins, who inflicted the damage on Posey last Tuesday.

According to Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News, Sabean told Ralph Barbieri and Tom Tolbert on the San Francisco-based KNBR this afternoon that Cousins was “malicious” in launching himself at Posey. And it gets much harsher:

“If I never hear from Cousins again or he never plays another game in the big leagues, I think we’ll all be happy. He chose to be a hero in my mind, and if that’s his flash of fame, that’s as good as it’s going to get, pal. We’ll have a long memory. Believe me, we’ve talked to (Mike) Matheny about how this game works. You can’t be that out-and-out overly aggressive. I’ll put it as politically as I can state it: There’s no love lost and there shouldn’t be.”

It’s fine for Sabean to be upset about the situation and to defend one of his young stars, but calling out a player on another team and rooting for that player to have a short career is certainly crossing the line.

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UPDATE: Cousins’ agent, Matt Sosnick, has now responded to Sabean’s comments. “I’d say Brian’s opinion is in the vast minority in baseball,” he told Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News.

  1. volcom2143 - Jun 2, 2011 at 8:27 PM

    Classy . I’m so sick of hearing all this catcher rule changing talk . Baseball has been around for how long ??? And now everyone gets upset when one guy gets hurt . Wussification of America . Stop whining it’s part of the game. Jeez

    • royalsfaninfargo - Jun 2, 2011 at 8:29 PM

      i believe you and i are in complete agreement about this.

    • thereisaparty - Jun 2, 2011 at 9:36 PM

      And what’s up with players having to wear batting helmets? Players are such babies now.

    • mcchef - Jun 3, 2011 at 1:24 AM

      I am a huge Gians fan and Buster posey fan. However, more than that, I am a baseball fan. As far asI am concerned this is an absurd comment from a USUALLY classy club. Sabean, do your usual and don’t talk to the press because you are not doing yourself any favors!!!

    • mrznyc - Jun 3, 2011 at 9:36 AM

      If it was the third string catcher we wouldn’t even know his name at this point.

      • kcfanatic - Jun 3, 2011 at 10:17 AM

        I agree. He talks about how there were lines to the plate, but a player isn’t thinking that. They are either an aggresive runner or not. The runner was not thinking, “let me hurt the catcher”. He was thinking, “The ball beat me there. Let me try and jar it loose”. I’m not a big fan of the collisions, but it is part of the game and within the rules.

  2. royalsfaninfargo - Jun 2, 2011 at 8:27 PM

    Sabean has crossed a line here. What happened happened. This makes him and by implication the whole Giant organization look very bad. The funniest thing about his quote is “we talked to Matheny about how this game works.” Really? He has been GM of a MLB team for how long? He needs to talk to Mike Matheny about how the game works? Shouldnt he have asked his own manager? Or maybe watched a game or 2? Is it me or does Cousins come off looking a little better after this?

    • scottster63 - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:17 PM

      Its just you. there is no way anyone can say anything that could make Cousins look better here. He thought he was Pete Rose or something with the WS on the line. His play was overly aggressive and unnecessary. If he had any smarts he would have checked where the ball was at some point during his brainless flight towards home base – he never does check to see where the ball is!. He has to move to his left at the last moment in order to inflict the kind of contact he thought would cause certain injury and oh, maybe jar the ball out, wherever it might be! You are taught to do this when tagging up to home and check it out in any game you see in the future – the baserunner almost always checks the ball rather than simply, in a thug like fashion, leaving his feet and launching his body airborne and intentionally off axis into the catcher’s. There is something called finesse and smarts in the game and Cousins failed to apply it, and will always be considered a thug not just by Sabean, but the baseball community at large. The play should be used as a ‘not what to do’ instructional video in Little League, not something to be proud of and brag about to be certain. His legacy will be, ‘I grotesquely and unnecessarily caused an injury to Buster Posey which cost him playing time and earned me the disrespect of the MLB players, coaches and owners both past and present.’ Excuse Sabean if he fails to speak as eloquently as he may have – he just lost a star player on his team to an accident borne out of unnecessary brute aggression, zero restraint and a lack of accepted professional standard of play.

      • royalsfaninfargo - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:58 PM

        If cousins is “thug”, i would love to hear how you describe the man who almost killed the Giants fan in the parking lot of Dodgers Stadium. You can believe what he did was wrong, but calling the guy a “thug?”

      • CJ - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:21 PM

        “thug”?
        “intentionally off axis”?
        “didn’t look for the ball”? (posey didn’t know he didn’t have it either btw)
        “leaving his feet”
        “airborne”
        need I go on, really?

        either you’re last name is Sabean, you’re a blind Giants fan, or you didn’t see the play in question.

        I’m going to guess all of the above.

      • mrznyc - Jun 3, 2011 at 9:38 AM

        There is no rule in baseball that says the catcher has to block the plate.

      • kcfanatic - Jun 3, 2011 at 10:21 AM

        Millionaire ballplayers being overly aggressive? I think not. The truth is we are looking for more ballplayers to be more aggressive. How often do we complain that these guys get paid millions of dollars and don’t hustle down to first. Again as stated above, I don’t personally like that players are able to collide with the catchers, but it is part of the game and within the rules. If you don’t like it change the rule, but if you are going to say that you can’t run over a catcher you also have to say that you can’t block the plate as a catcher.

      • bmue42 - Jun 3, 2011 at 11:20 AM

        your an idiot

  3. drmonkeyarmy - Jun 2, 2011 at 8:40 PM

    All parties involved are over the line. I don’t think Cousins tried to injury Posey…I do think that there was plenty of room for him to hook slide and plowing over Posey was completely unnecessary. I don’t think that should be part of the game. Many fans and pundits alike say that baseball needs to progress and embrace such things as instant replay. Following the same line of reasoning, baseball needs to adjust to protect the players the same way other sports have (NHL with head shots, NFL with head shots, NBA with increased flagrant fouls with ejections). Yes, professional athletes are handsomely paid for what they do and they entertain a certain amount of bodily risk, but all avenues should be explored to mitigate these risks. It is progression, not “wussification”. On point, what the Giant GM said was ridiculous. Leave Cousins alone, I’m sure he feels bad enough. Nobody sans Nyjer Morgan wants to be known as a dirty player.

    • Lukehart80 - Jun 2, 2011 at 9:25 PM

      It feels a little strange to agree with drmonkeyarmy, but I have to say, I think you nailed it, sir.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 2, 2011 at 9:35 PM

        Thanks….I am glad I am converting you to my line of reasoning. Would you like to hear my theories on sabermetrics and PED use?

  4. rotaryfone - Jun 2, 2011 at 8:44 PM

    A tiny heads up – it happened May 25th, not “late-April.” But wow. Classy move there, Sabes.

  5. goforthanddie - Jun 2, 2011 at 8:55 PM

    This guy’s a douche.

  6. deathmonkey41 - Jun 2, 2011 at 9:23 PM

    Any word yet on whether Sabean sent Jeffrey Loria a dead fish wrapped in Cousin’s jersey?

  7. Reggie's Bush - Jun 2, 2011 at 9:31 PM

    Somebody’s asshurt in San Fran…

    There needs to be more home plate collisions.

    • jimbo1949 - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:32 PM

      Were you dropped on your head as a child, or just recently?

  8. stevem7 - Jun 2, 2011 at 9:31 PM

    Brain Sabean has no business being unhappy. It’s his franchise that taught Posey to block the plate when he didn’t have the ball, clearly interfering with the runner. As for Bochey reaching out to Torre thats a case of a bad manager crying about his lot in life. Joe Torre will no doubt tell him to pound sand and for a rule change suggest “Catcher’s shouldn’t block the plate”.

    • paperlions - Jun 2, 2011 at 9:41 PM

      Except, of course, that Posey was not blocking the plate when he was run over….but hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your narrative.

      • seeingwhatsticks - Jun 2, 2011 at 9:46 PM

        Damn my slow sending self.

      • bigharold - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:13 PM

        “Except, of course, that Posey was not blocking the plate when he was run over….”

        He was absolutely standing right in front of the plate, i.e. blocking, attempted to field the ball, which he did not, and was turning towards cousins, without the ball mind you, .. when Cousins hit him.

        It’s unfortunate what happened but Posey was trying to make a play and got hurt.

        But, to paraphrase, .. don’t let the facts get in te way of a good rant.

      • seeingwhatsticks - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:26 PM

        Just for future reference, this is what “blocking the plate” looks like:

        Posey gave Cousins a path to the plate, but Posey also has every right to try and play the ball. The same right that every other infielder has when trying to apply a tag on a close play at any other base. What should Posey have done there, make no attempt to apply a tag? In this case he dropped the ball but he knows it’s going to be close and his only chance is to catch and tag in one motion. If he holds on Cousins is out. You can’t say Cousins was just trying to make a play the only way he could have without also allowing that Posey was just trying to make a play the only way he could have.

    • seeingwhatsticks - Jun 2, 2011 at 9:45 PM

      Except that Posey wasn’t blocking the plate and the organization has told him in the past not to block the plate. Facts are for losers.

      • mrznyc - Jun 3, 2011 at 9:41 AM

        If he was on one knee, as is taught, he doesn’t get hurt.

      • kcfanatic - Jun 3, 2011 at 10:29 AM

        It doesn’t matter if Posey was taught to be one of the only catchers not to block the plate. If it is acceptable to both block the plate and run into the catcher at a league level, you must change it at a league level. A manager isn’t going into your stadium telling his baserunners, “Now remember, Posey has been told not to block the plate by his coaches. So, don’t run into him.” You can’t blame a guy for following the rules set forth by MLB. Especially when there are so many cheaters out there.

    • cur68 - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:05 PM

      Boys, once again you reply with logic and fact. Don’t you know never to do that? From the posting what we have here is a history revisionist. Just picture someone with their eyes shut, hands over their ears and going “wah, wah, wah, I can’t heeeeaaaarrr youuuuu…”.

      He saw something that didn’t happen; Posey blocking the plate never happened. Bet he asserts this is so no matter if you put up a picture of the actual play at the plate and you can see a foot of space with Posey above the plate to the infield. And Cousin’s lining up Posey’s right shoulder. The shoulder that’s pointing to 2nd base.

      Cousin’s drilled that kid and he didn’t have to. Sabean has a right to be mad; he’s invested millions in the kid and the team is drastically diminished without Posey.

      However Sabean needs to shut the hell up. He keeps this in house, talks to the players about it, keeps it out of the press and let the players deal with it on the field and it’s all baseball. This though is going to be baseball politics which always means Bud Light getting involved. That is never pretty.

      • jimbo1949 - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM

        There ya go, gettin’ all caught up in logic and fact again ;-). I do disagree on one point, it’s gonna take bud forever to come up with a blue ribbon panel to study this until after he retires.

      • cur68 - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM

        Hey Harold has joined us. Just looked at the clip. I take it you haven’t Harry. Because if you do you’ll see Posey to the infield. It’s at the 6 second mark when you see where Cousins drills him. Above the plate, in the right shoulder, with the plate directly to Posey’s left. In order to hit him Cousins had to run towards the infield not the plate, since Posey clearly leaves him a lane to the plate. But don’t let looking at the replay change your mind or anything.

      • cur68 - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:29 PM

        Yeah jimbo; I gotta listen to my own advice. Not gonna change anybodies mind with a fact or looking at a replay and seeing who was where when whatever happened. People believe what they want to believe…deep sigh…

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:29 PM

        Hey Cur,
        Do you like and follow soccer?

      • cur68 - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:37 PM

        Hey doc. Yeah, I loved football (soccer) at one point. Why?

      • bigharold - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:48 PM

        “Posey blocking the plate never happened. ”

        Look at the video above. If Posey sat right down from where he was trying to field the throw he’d be sitting on the plate. That’s blocking the plate. And, he not only didn’t field the ball he turn towards Cousins.

      • seeingwhatsticks - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:51 PM

        Harold, “blocking the plate” is not standing near it. “Blocking the plate” is putting yourself between the runner and the plate in such a way that the runner has to go through you to touch it. Posey did not do that on this play.

      • jimbo1949 - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:54 PM

        If Posey sat right down from where he was trying to field the throw he’d be sitting on the plate.
        And if the queen had balls she’d be the king. He was not blocking the plate, he was turning to make a swipe tag.

      • cur68 - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:58 PM

        Harry for pete’s sake he’d have sat down between the batter’s boxes a foot above the damn thing when the collision happens. Look at the 6 second mark. He’s on the INFIELD and Cousins is running on the baseline shading to the infield, too. Its right there how do you not see it? Its plain as day from both angles on offer in that video. In both cases, from both sides of the view you can see home plate away to Posey’s left. Cousins knocks him back and to Posey’s left and the kid STILL misses the plate he’s so far above it.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:04 PM

        I wanted to get your opinion on how Canada will fare in the Gold Cup. I think they are much improved and will be a tough squad this year. Canada v United States Tuesday.

      • cur68 - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:14 PM

        @drmonkeyarmy; Did well enough against Ecuador to earn a draw in that friendly. They beat the beaverballmen 2 zip last time they squared off. I think USA has about a 40% chance against the beaverballmen in this coming contest.

        You got USA doing better?

      • bigharold - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:23 PM

        “But don’t let looking at the replay change your mind or anything.”

        I did look at it, repeatedly. Maybe you should adjust the screen resolution.

        Posey did not field the throw, turnned towrards Cousins to tag him when Cousins hit him. One could just as well argue that Posey shouldn’t have been even trying to tag him without the ball and thereby putting himeslf in harms way.

        Cousins was no more required to take the “lane to the plate” offered than Posaey would be required to get out of the way of the runner unless he had the ball. That’s just the way the game is played.

        Try looking at it again and tell me that Posey hadn’t turned towards Cousins thinking that he was going to tag him out.

      • jimbo1949 - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:31 PM

        So now you’re conceding that he wasn’t blocking the plate but turning to tag Cousins instead.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:36 PM

        Cur,
        Yeah, the Canadians are much improved. Some good players…De Guzman, DeRo, Jackson, etc….Drawing Ecuador was a good result. Not sure if it was Ecuador’s A squad or not. Probably seeing as how they have Copa America coming up. I think the United States has the stronger squad in all. Dempsey, Donovan, Howard, Jermaine Jones are superior players. The center halves are a bit suspect and untested and are typically the weakness that and forwards who can’t score while and the lack of a creative #10 in central midfield. All and all, I say 50% for American victory, and 25% Canada, 25% draw. I still see a Mexico, United States final though.

      • cur68 - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:50 PM

        Harold; he turns towards Cousins while well above the plate. So what? Cousins, by the time Posey turned, is so committed to drilling Posey he doesn’t even notice that Posey hasn’t the ball and that he, Cousins, is not even heading for home anymore. If Posey doesn’t turn he’s struck in the back and towards 2nd but the contact STILL happens on the infield. In no way shape or form is Cousins trying to score; he is simply trying to drill the catcher who ISN”T blocking him.

      • bigharold - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:51 PM

        “So now you’re conceding that he wasn’t blocking the plate but turning to tag Cousins instead.”

        I’m not conceding anything, he was blocking the plate.

        He was directly in front of the plate, .. attempted to field the ball, .. turn and lunged at Cousins. That adds up to blocking the plate.

        Everything I just described is in the video. He, Posey, was just as responsible for that play as Cousins. And, had he fielded the ball cleanly, .. collided with cousins and tagged him out he’d have certainly participated in the rounds of congratulatory chest thumping and exaggerated high fives. But, because he was badly injured now there seems to be the need to pass judgment and declare a villain.

        It’s just baseball, .. a tough break.

      • jimbo1949 - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:55 PM

        From a little lower in the thread:

        .
        thanks to thomas2727

      • cur68 - Jun 3, 2011 at 12:01 AM

        drmonkeyarmy; care to make a little wager on the outcome there ‘army? I’ll bet you one glowing review of your team vs one glowing review of The Blue Jays depending on who’d boys win that little tilt next Tuesday. Whaddya say? Who do you root for anyways? Yankees isn’t it? If its a draw no review need be rendered.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 3, 2011 at 12:04 AM

        I am from and live in suburban Philadelphia so I am a Phillies fan. Wager sounds fare. You have yourself a deal.

      • cur68 - Jun 3, 2011 at 12:20 AM

        Excellent! I want it glowing and extra praise heaped in my boy Bautista (& I don’t care if he goes 0 – 4 with 4 strike outs all of them looking) after they play the Royals on Tuesday. So the review comes on Wednesday morning.

        I shall be auditing the Jay’s game, the football and the Dodgers/Phillies tilt. Seems fair; both our teams have a real shot of crushing the oppo.

        PS; Actually I knew it was the Phillies. I said Yankees to get your goat. Shoulda said Cardinals. That would have got you steamed :)

  9. bigtrav425 - Jun 2, 2011 at 9:47 PM

    Waaaaaaaaa..this guy needs to shut his pie hole!..The rule should NOT be changed! players get protected enough as it is! its part of the game.bottom line.if you dont like it,dont play,watch,coach,manage or whatever it is you do with the game.It was a good play and he would say so if Cousins played for his team

    • thereisaparty - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:04 PM

      Games evolve. The rules of baseball are not static. Why can’t this be an occasion to re-think this play? It seems reasonable to care about safety of all those at a ballpark, especially the participants. And it would be logical for owners to care about current and future investments. Your “it’s part of the game” argument demonstrates an irrational hold on tradition for tradition’s sake.

      • deathmonkey41 - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:13 PM

        Where does it end? If a player breaks his leg running to first on a single to the outfield, do they revisit the rule and consider just letting him walk there since it’s a single anyway and the running was a unnecessary strain that got him hurt? Accidents happen- it’s physical and people will get hurt. I don’t want them to turn this into a sissified sport like the NBA has done.

      • thereisaparty - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM

        How is a player running to first anyway related to a collision at the plate? There are accidents and there is an intent to cause a giant collision by crashing into an opponent at top speed.

        NHL really turned into a sissified sport when it outlawed head shots

    • deathmonkey41 - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:11 PM

      So, you outlaw any potential collision at the plate? Make the catcher walk away? The runner have to give himself up? There have been countless collisions at the plate over the years without any serious injuries- why does society overreact to everything nowdays? There is no reason to take a shot at someone’s head in the NHL other than to hurt them. Collisions at the plate occur when someone is trying to score and someone is trying to stop them from scoring.

      • thereisaparty - Jun 3, 2011 at 12:26 AM

        Collisions aren’t acceptable at any other base, or on any other player at home (i.e. pitcher covering the plate on a passed ball/wild pitch). I wouldn’t be opposed to outlawing collisions – make the runner slide. Make it so the runner has to touch the catcher with his hands or feet first.

        I’m not saying the rule MUST be changed. I simply do not see a reason why there shouldn’t be an open discourse on such plays at the plate. Is the trade-off between safety and excitement enough to make the play a necessary part of the game? Is a collision that much more entertaining than a slide?

        There have also been other collisions at the plate that led to injuries, but I’m glad the discussion is being held over the play now. I don’t think that re-evaluating a dangerous play is a sign that “society overreact(s) to everything”. Protecting an arguably defenseless player (Posey was in fair territory) seems like a logical move

      • deathmonkey41 - Jun 3, 2011 at 11:08 AM

        I think anytime someone gets hurt in any sport nowdays, the discussion immediately goes to changing the rules to stop it. I think people have become overreactive. And there are collisions at 2nd base all the time when runners try to break up the doubleplay. The Japanese SS for the Twins had his leg broken by a Swisher take-out earlier in the year. Do we not let players break up doubleplays at 2nd anymore either? Besides, I’m not sure if players would rather take the cleat-end side of a feet first slide rather than a shoulder.

  10. bigharold - Jun 2, 2011 at 9:57 PM

    The play was aggressive but certainly not over the top. I’d more inclined to blame Posey for his split second decision to stand in front of the plate with a player baring down on him at full speed than I’d blame Cousins for make a split second decision running at full speed in the middle of trying to score.

    It’s real simple, if you don’t want to risk the collision than don’t stand in front of the plate. And the catcher in these instances holds all the cards. Problem solved.

    Sabean and Bochy look like a couple of sore losers jackasses , … especially Sabean. I’d wonder had the shoe been on the other foot, had a Giant player end the season of someone else’s catcher, would there be any righteous indignation from the Giants let alone the same level. I’m betting that there wouldn’t be. I’d almost say unequivocally that Bochy isn’t having a conversation with Torre.

    It was unfortunate but it is the nature of the game and specfically that position. And, in this instance, the injured party had the most control over the situation and willingly took on the risk. Had he not been injured and Cousins was called out, people would rave about the play and his reputation as a “stud” catcher would have been enhanced. And, I’d wager that Posey would have reveled in it.

    It’s unfortunate but if yo are going to play baseball on anything but a playstation than injuries WILL happen.

    • thomas2727 - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:00 PM

      By standing in front of the plate do you mean between the pitching rubber and plate. Or between third base and the plate? Because he clearly was not standing between third base and the plate.

      • bigharold - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:37 PM

        Look at the video again, he turned towards Cousins and was lunging at him. Posey was EVERY bit as responsible forthe outcome of that play as Cousins.

      • thomas2727 - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:41 PM

        Not sure if I am allowed to post a link to a picture here? Probably not?

        Here is a picture of the moment of impact.

      • jimbo1949 - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:48 PM

        smokin’ gun if ever I saw one

      • bigharold - Jun 3, 2011 at 12:15 AM

        “Here is a picture of the moment of impact.”

        No that is the moment AFTER impact.

        And if you went to the moment just before impact you’d see Posey looking towards the outfield and Cousins to his left baring down on him. After Posey doesn’t field the ball he turn almost 90 degrees to his left and lundges towards Cousins. That is why Posey’s head is between the camera lens and Cousins. The key point being that Posey was moving towards Cousins in an effort to keep him from scoring.

        Posey was blocking the plate tring to make a play, Cousins was looking to knock the ball lose from the catcher. There is no villian here. It’s just a tough break but it’s also to be expected.

      • seeingwhatsticks - Jun 3, 2011 at 12:35 AM

        Harold, how is it Posey’s fault? What would you have him do differently in that situation? Should he stand on the mound and then sprint for home once he has the ball? Should he stand at the backstop and wait for the ball to 10 hop to him before diving in with the tag? He gave Cousins a lane to the plate by setting himself up in front of the plate. His only play is to catch the ball, turn, and tag in one motion. By the time he had dropped the ball he was already into the turn and tag. You can’t say that Cousins made a split second decision and not also say the same about Posey.

        By the way, Cousins didn’t make a split second decision. In his postgame comments he clearly stated that he knew he was going to collide with Posey the moment he left third. He didn’t react to what Posey gave him, he was going to plow Posey no matter what.

        And for the last time, standing in front of the plate, or on the front edge of the plate IS NOT BLOCKING THE PLATE. When does your path from third to home run through the front edge of the plate? Posey didn’t position himself between third and home, putting himself DIRECTLY in Cousins’ path, and creating a situation where Cousins’ only options were to crush Posey or stop running.

        I don’t know if there’s a way to change the rules to prevent this type of play. I do, however, think this is a situation where players need to be taught to respect each other, particularly in a game in late May. Posey gave Cousins a path to score. Cousins decided before the play unfolded that he’d crash into Posey. That said, Sabean’s comments were out of line and unprofessional.

      • thomas2727 - Jun 3, 2011 at 12:45 AM

        Are you seriously trying to split hairs on the meaning of moment?

        He is two feet in front of the plate and not in between the plate in third base. Blocking the plate from who? The pitcher?

        I don’t rdispute Cousins acted within the rules or within accepted baseball protocol to hit the catcher.

        My disagreement is with people saying Buster was blocking the plate. Which would mean he is between the plate and third base which he clearly was not.

        A catcher that makes a decision to consciously block the plate chooses to get hit. See Mike Scioscia for examples.

        This is the picture to moment before impact.

    • thereisaparty - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:13 PM

      Thomas is correct here. Posey was absolutely not blocking the runner’s path to the plate. He was completely in fair territory, in front of the plate, in no way blocking it along the third base line. Cousin’s launched his body like a linebacker into fair territory to level Posey. The intentions are clear. If anything, Posey did a poor job of blocking the plate. So please explain to me how he had “the most control over the situation”. That is a complete false and entirely asinine assessment of the play.

      As to “the nature of the game” – we are trying to assess if this should indeed be a part of the game. Seeing such recklessly dangerous actions should be reason to critically examine the worth of keeping this play in baseball. The game evolves. And other sports realize this, constantly moving forward to protect their players.

  11. thomas2727 - Jun 2, 2011 at 9:58 PM

    I am a Giants fan and this is past the point where management needs to quit speaking about the Posey we want a rule change situation to the media.

    It is only going to make them look bad and risk the national brand they are trying to build.

    Complain to brain dead Allan H Selig or maybe Joe Torre. But quit giving sound bytes to everybody with a tape recorder or note pad.

  12. itsacurse - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:05 PM

    If Posey blocked the plate and Cousins tore up his leg, we’re not having this conversation, right?

    • thereisaparty - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:15 PM

      Why does the origin of this discussion matter? Are you claiming there is no reason to examine player safety? I’d argue that we can keep plays at the plate equally exciting without the excess risk.

  13. Paul Zummo - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:09 PM

    The San Francisco Giants are an organization who had a fan beaten into a coma this year for wearing the wrong jersey, and now their GM is basically vowing retribution on a guy because he injured one of their players on a perfectly legal play. Does he not sense the problem with this at all?

    • royalsfaninfargo - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:21 PM

      Great point. I didnt look at it from that angle, but that is really cutting to the chase.

    • scottster63 - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:40 PM

      who made you judge? never played baseball apparently. he is only saying what has been true in baseball since its inception – payback is a bitch and a part of the game. History will tell: Roses’ play was born out of necessity with way more than a regular season game on the line. Cousins will always look like a jackass…

      • jimbo1949 - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:45 PM

        Roses’ play was born out of necessity with way more than a regular season game on the line.

        I’ll say, it was the All Star Game way before it decided WS home field.

      • flapjack3285 - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:05 PM

        Hilarious, you tell someone that they shouldn’t judge and you have posted a long, biased rant about how Cousins is and will always be a thug that no one respects.

  14. paperlions - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:41 PM

    Of course Sabean should shut up, him saying anything to anyone about this is just a bad idea. But Sabean being a jackhole has nothing to do with Posey not blocking the plate.

    People say this type of play isn’t a problem because only a couple of guys are hurt each year. The only reason that is true is because the VAST MAJORITY of runners involved in close plays at the plate slide instead of running over the catcher.

    Cousins CHOSE to go after the catcher instead of going after the plate (you can see him change trajectory from running at the plate to running at the catcher, who was standing in fair territory), if every runner in that situation makes the choice Cousins did, most starting catchers don’t make it through an entire season….fortunately, most runners slide, especially when the plate is not blocked by a catcher without the ball.

  15. granted42 - Jun 2, 2011 at 10:58 PM

    As a long time Giants fan, I’ve generally supported most of Sabean’s moves (there’s no one with a baseball brain out there that would have thought you could get more production from Tejada this year than what he’s shown.) I think this statement is completely unprofessional, mean-spirited, and repulsive. I listened to the interview on the station’s website, and he was offered an opportunity to amend his statement, and only piled onto it. I’m disappointed, sickened, and just plain pissed. I’ve lost a lot of respect for the man, and wouldn’t be sorry to see him go when his contract if up.

  16. motorcitykitty80 - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:12 PM

    This is all such crap – no rules need to be changed period. The only reason why such a fuss is being made is because it is the star ROY who has a large sum of money attached to his name. If it was Avila in Detroit or Laird in St. Louis or any other catcher in MLB this would be a non-issue. Injuries happen, its part of the game.

    • bigharold - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:31 PM

      “If it was Avila in Detroit or Laird in St. Louis or any other catcher in MLB this would be a non-issue. ”

      Or Cervelli in a 2008 meaningless spring traning game when he ended up with a broken wrist. Posey was as responsible for the play as Cousins. It’s unfortunate but those things happen. Lets move on.

  17. vikesfansteve - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:29 PM

    Posey dropped the ball & still blocked the plate. No sympathy. Shut up Giants.

    • thomas2727 - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:38 PM

      Once again somebody says Posey blocked the plate when he clearly did not. You look like a dope when you forcefully make a statement that is clearly incorrect. Next time I suggest doing 30 seconds of research before you state something is a fact when is easily proven to be incorrect.

    • otb510 - Jun 3, 2011 at 2:12 PM

      Clearly, you can’t read or see past the point of your nose. The plate was not blocked, PERIOD.

      While I don’t agree with the comments of our GM, I do think there needs to be better clarification and enforsement of the rule. Rule change? Maybe. Just depends on how umps choose to interpret the current rules. Again, read the rules and see if you are perfectly clear on what should and should not be allowed.

      My issue is that Cousins did two things on the play – 1) he changed his line of direction to the plate, when he clearly had an open path. he went from running outside of the foul line to stepping inside the line and in front of the base to make a direct hit on Posey. 2) He lowered his shoulder in order to hit Posey full force. IMO those are two reasons enough to at least look at the current rules.

      Honestly, Steve, we can all do without the ‘shut up’ comments. Be a real man and make your points without childish comments.

      • vikesfansteve - Jun 3, 2011 at 2:41 PM

        You are the dope. He is squatting in front of the baseline & plate without the ball. FACT. Seen on video. So how about shut that fuckin hole under your nose thomas. Is that sweet enough for you otb?

  18. schmedley69 - Jun 2, 2011 at 11:31 PM

    Sabean is way out of line. Cousins had a split second to decide what to do. It’s not like it was pre-meditated. It’s a shame that Posey was hurt, but the Giants are coming off as a bunch of pansies in this whole thing.

  19. dbick - Jun 3, 2011 at 12:11 AM

    • bigharold - Jun 3, 2011 at 12:25 AM

      That’s great. Everybody remembers the line “there’s no crying iun baseball”. My favoriye was towards the end when the Tom Hanks charactor signs the baseball for the two kids;

      “Avoid the clap, .. Jimmy Dugan”

  20. liquidgrammar - Jun 3, 2011 at 8:18 AM

    Brian Sabean is a jackass!!!!

  21. koufaxmitzvah - Jun 3, 2011 at 9:37 AM

    I guess it’s only logical to point out that if the Giants never have another stud catcher again, then we’ll all be happy.

    If Brian Sabean never has a job again, then we’ll all be happy.

    And, most definitely, if the Giants never smell another World Series– heck, are never heard from again– Lord knows, the rest of baseball and the logical thinking world, will all be happy.

    Grow the F up, Sabean. You are, officially, a waste of space, time, and oxygen.

  22. nyyankeedave - Jun 3, 2011 at 10:26 AM

    Sabean is a good GM, a bit on the cheap side, but good. However, this is unacceptable. As a G.M., he needs to represent the organization in the the best light. I’m sure the Giants players have animosity toward Cousins, but they’ve kept their mouths shut. The kid was playing to win, he shouldn’t be crucified for it. Posey & Cousins need to come together and publicly end this thing so we can all stop talking about it and go back to laughing at the LA Dodgers!

  23. thefalcon123 - Jun 3, 2011 at 10:37 AM

    His comment is fair. This is exactly like the time Tony Conigliaro said he hoped Jack Hamilton’s children died in a fire and MLB banned pitching inside for fear that it would injure talented young white boys.

  24. yettyskills - Jun 3, 2011 at 12:06 PM

    After reading the Giants fans cry and whine for over a week. And now Sabean with his hypocrite yammering….
    I am so so so GLAD Buster is gone for the year, I hope I never see him play anywhere near where he was prior to being stupid.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA GIANTS FANS!!!!! HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT!
    LOVE seeing Buster do everything wrong on that play and it resulting in his devastating (never will be the same) injury.
    Your GM is an idiot, never played the game just like you idiots crying.

  25. yettyskills - Jun 3, 2011 at 12:09 PM

    And oh ya if someone on the Giants wants to throw at Cousins…
    No problem. The Marlins can load up and throw at the face of every Giants hitter.
    Pissss on the Giants and their Fans.

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