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Must-Click Link: Larry Granillo on Brian Sabean’s idiotic comments about Scott Cousins

Jun 3, 2011, 11:03 AM EDT

Brian Sabean phone

Anyone can sit back and say how much of a classless, low-rent jerk Brian Sabean was in his comments about Scott Cousins last night.  I mean, when a high level executive of a major league baseball team fans the flames of a situation in which the player in question is already getting death threats — and when his family actually lives in the city whence the threats presumably hail — it’s pretty easy to say something like “Sabean is a jackass.”  See, I just said it!

But it’s also worth noting — as Wezen-Ball’s Larry Granillo does in exceedingly clear terms in this wonderful post over at Baseball Prospectus — that Sabean, in addition to being a jerk, is being outrageously inconsistent.  Seems he’s never had a problem with catcher collisions before. It’s only now, when his superstar is on the wrong end of things that he’s so animated about it. Check out Larry’s rundown and then, if you have the ear of Brian Sabean, feel free to ask him about it. I’d love to hear his answer.

Of course, Sabean has a track record of wanting there to be different rules for his superstars, so this is no surprise.

  1. bmue42 - Jun 3, 2011 at 11:17 AM

    yea sabean never played in the majors, he may have a eye for talent , but no on field player perspective, so he should shut his mouth

  2. Jonny 5 - Jun 3, 2011 at 11:25 AM

    Is he trying to shave with that RAZR or is that picture 10 years old?

    • kopy - Jun 3, 2011 at 11:57 AM

      I thought about making a joke about his cell phone, but I didn’t, and I’m glad because it wouldn’t have been as good as yours.

  3. deathmonkey41 - Jun 3, 2011 at 11:52 AM

    He looks like Mike Martz with a goatee.

  4. ThatGuy - Jun 3, 2011 at 12:04 PM

    Thats what has annoyed me about this whole debate, is that we wouldn’t be having it if it was any other catcher. Hell Carlo’s Santana is as big of a prospect as Posey and I dont remember a huge outrage then, probably because he was playing for the Indians and not the defending World Champs. If the debate continues next time a Drew Butera or someone else gets hurt, then I would pay a bit more attention to it, but this is simply a team and its fans mad because their star got hurt.

    • nps6724 - Jun 3, 2011 at 12:16 PM

      Exactly.

    • Jonny 5 - Jun 3, 2011 at 12:33 PM

      I don’t like the defending world champs myself (only because of you know why), and while I don’t think Cousins deserves this type of backlash because he was just doing what he thought he should do, I think it was a bad hit that shouldn’t have happened. I don’t like players knocking the crap out of other players (without even trying to touch the base until after the hit mind you) to knock the ball loose on any base, let alone home plate. And I think it’s time to address why this is allowed at home plate and not the other bases.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Jun 3, 2011 at 1:30 PM

        “I think it’s time to address why this is allowed at home plate and not the other bases.”

        You can’t run through 2nd or 3rd base. The reason for the slide is to partly stop momentum at the target. At 1st base you’ve got the baseline. A fielder within the baseline is called for interference; a runner out of the baseline is called out for running out of the baseline.

      • Jonny 5 - Jun 3, 2011 at 2:15 PM

        That’s not addressing my point. Which is “contact with intent to remove the ball from the players glove is interference everywhere but home plate.” Why is this since there is no rule saying they should be played differently as far as interference goes?

      • clydeserra - Jun 3, 2011 at 2:24 PM

        Its not interference if you plow the guy at the other bases. Its just dumb because you have to remain on the bag.

        At first, collisions only happen with bad throws, because, you know, its a force.

        That Schierholtz hit was criminal. 1000 times worse than the Cousins hit. That article could not be more spot on.

      • Jonny 5 - Jun 3, 2011 at 2:48 PM

        You don’t have to remain on the bag. Guys over slide and come back safe all the time. The reason you do stay on is so you’re not tagged out. If you just knocked the guys socks off you wouldn’t have to worry about it as he’s still trying to find the ball and his senses. Of course a force only requires a tag of the base and this doesn’t apply. If you’re a sitting duck non forced out and smash over a 2nd baseman causing him to lose the ball it would be called an automatic out. Not at home though.

      • clydeserra - Jun 3, 2011 at 3:32 PM

        right, you have to stay on the bag. if you don’t, and get tagged you are out. No infielder would be in a blocking position like a catcher because it would be dumb of the runner to approach the bag like a linebacker. You think Ty Cobb would’t have bowled someone over if it were effective?

        Further look at the gloves, infield gloves are better at holing onto the ball. The Plow over play is a vestige of the pillow glove era when it was much much tougher to hold onto the ball. The way catchers mitts are constructed now its less of an issue, but its still harder to hold onto the ball.

      • spindervish - Jun 3, 2011 at 3:39 PM

        I made this exact same point like a week ago. If you deck the guy and he loses the ball, you’ll have plenty of time to stroll back to 2nd.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Jun 3, 2011 at 3:40 PM

        I read your question as to why home plate is different than all other bases. Not trying to coming off treating you like you’re naive and don’t understand the game. But the truth is, you can, and oftentimes must, run through the plate.

      • clydeserra - Jun 3, 2011 at 3:47 PM

        Its way way less likely that decking a second baseman is going to dislodge a ball. The glove is much better at holding onto the ball than a mitt.

      • Jonny 5 - Jun 3, 2011 at 3:51 PM

        My point. Runner is out in that case for interference. But not at home plate. It’s not a different set of rules, but is treated as such by the guys in blue.

      • clydeserra - Jun 3, 2011 at 4:03 PM

        What rule is that?

  5. burtkauf - Jun 3, 2011 at 1:20 PM

    The incident is symptomatic of how the Giants will do anything to win… cry like babies if it goes against them, but as Larry shows, turn the cheek if its the Giants fault. In this case
    it’s just hard baseball. Sabean bult the Giants on steroids, first turning the other cheek to Bonds & friends steroids for years — still not copping to it . Sabean couldn’t make a decent deal he would take on problem players other teams refuse… last year Guillen
    ignited the other players in September and ‘shot’ them into the series, if you will…
    note how many of the players averages shot up in Sept after Guillen came. Coincidence.. Mota was another convicted users and Uribe , Ross and others suspected… The Sabean philosophy spreads down thru the team… the Giants announcers are impossible for an impartial fan to listen to… for Miller and the young kid, most umpire calls are againtst the Giants. They spend half the time arguing the
    strike-ball calls… more at http://www.BayAreaCoupons.info/giants-gifts

  6. burtkauf - Jun 3, 2011 at 1:27 PM

    Now Sabean went and got another convicted guy, Tejada, nobody else wanted… unfortunately for Sabean, Tejada is already apparently off the roids…doing poorly.
    It makes me sick to see the sanctmoneous Giants basically cheat their way to the World Series ….. without Gullen, alone , they wouldn’t have made it (note 2 game winning hits, which were the difference in overcoming the Padres. The whole attitude… the A’s , on the other hand, could use a little attitude/confidense building…, having to put up with another loser , in Billy Beane and his useless buddy manager Bob ‘ Deer in the headlights’ Geren. http://www.bayareacoupons.info/giants-gifts

  7. cup0pizza - Jun 3, 2011 at 3:23 PM

    Wimpy dude, wimpy organization.

  8. clydeserra - Jun 3, 2011 at 3:34 PM

    Seriously, why are there not 50 comments here saying posey and Scheirholtz are dirty players and should be banned from the league?

    • clydeserra - Jun 3, 2011 at 3:34 PM

      Sandoval and Scheirholtz I mean.

  9. burtkauf - Jun 3, 2011 at 5:02 PM

    If it were any other team we would have heard nothing more but the Giants are big babies and total ‘homers,’… note their announcers for example. Miller has lost all credibility, . constantly arguing umpire calls only that go against the Giants, along with his young partner and Kruk… hard to listen http://www.RoadToSucccess.us

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