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Bryce Harper is going to get himself hurt

Jun 7, 2011, 8:20 AM EDT

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Check out the home run that Nats’ prospect Bryce Harper hit last night. Specifically, check out the way he stopped to admire it and the kiss he blew to the pitcher when he crossed home plate:

Yes, he’s young. But there’s no excuse for that kind of thing.  Even someone who cares as little about the unwritten rules as I do has to appreciate that Harper is being disrespectful here. That pitcher is trying to do his job. He didn’t get $16 million to tide him over as he tries to get through the minors like Harper is.

Maybe he gets away with that kind of thing in A-ball. But if he doesn’t learn a bit of humility at some point on his journey to greatness, he’s going to get his ribs broken.

UPDATE:  I have a more considered, extended take here.

  1. drmonkeyarmy - Jun 7, 2011 at 8:28 AM

    Not surprised by this. The guy was known as something of an arrogant clown. One would hope that the manager or even the general manager would have a talk with him. To be honest, I think the best thing to do in response to this situation would be to sit him for 2-3 days. It is incumbent upon these managers to impart respect upon these kids. Of course if you watched Wilson Ramos walk around the bases the other day, I expect no ramifications from this.

    • marshmallowsnake - Jun 7, 2011 at 12:32 PM

      Exactly…when everyone hypes you up, you eventually fall into the hype…looks like he is drowning in it.

    • natstowngreg - Jun 7, 2011 at 5:39 PM

      Ramos admitted that his slow walk around the bases was done to tick off the D-Backs, since their pitchers kept hitting his teammates (though his pitchers were not exactly innocent). Amazing that there were no bench-clearing get-acquainted sessions at the mound during the series. I suspect Ramos’ action was isolated, though (at least, until the next time the Nats and D-Backs meet).

  2. largebill - Jun 7, 2011 at 8:31 AM

    Concur. Not saying you have to sprint around the bases, but damn he’s going out of his way to piss off the opponent.

  3. Chris Fiorentino - Jun 7, 2011 at 8:32 AM

    In watching the video and not knowing the whole story, I will assume there was some type of history between the two. However, if this was just Bryce being Bryce, he needs some big-time maturity lessons because, while MLB isn’t full of guys like Nolan Ryan who will knock you on your ass the next time up anymore, NOBODY is going to stand for that BS. NOBODY.

    • kellyb9 - Jun 7, 2011 at 9:40 AM

      If this guy ever did this to a major league pitcher… it might be the last thing he ever did. Times like this make you wish Pedro was still in the league.

      • smarterthangirardi - Jun 12, 2011 at 12:04 AM

        It takes a lot to make someone wish Pedro was still in the league. A minor league stud having a little fun is not even close to one of them, and guys think about it in my mind they have to have a history with eachother

  4. atworkident - Jun 7, 2011 at 8:34 AM

    They said on MLB Network that the pitcher threw at Harper earlier in the game… someone can check the box score for the HBP I am sure. Not sure if that justifies anything but its food for thought. Not sure if this is also the same team that hit him earlier in the week… which is dessert for thought. I will rely on you good people to be the fact finders I am just putting it out there.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 7, 2011 at 8:36 AM

      I don’t know the back story, but did he hit him or throw at him? At that level sometimes the pitchers can have a bit of a problem with control.

    • rebarratige - Jun 7, 2011 at 8:59 AM

      The box score doesn’t help much: It shows that the Grasshoppers’ pitchers didn’t hit any batters during the game at all. Of course, it’s still possible that their starter Zachary Neal (who Harper took deep) gave him or some other Suns batter a little too much chin music.

      The Suns’ starter Robbie Ray (that’s a Major League name right there) hit two batters during the game.

  5. yankeesfanlen - Jun 7, 2011 at 8:35 AM

    Did that silly-ass eye paint dribble down to his upper lip now? I wish BC were here to bestow the proper appellation upon him.

    In other news, Matt Barnes from UConn was picked #19 in the draft last night by the Red Sox. Hw went on to reveal that his favorite player is Joba Chamberlain. It would be inappropriate for me to comment, but it’s up for grabs……

    • Ace - Jun 7, 2011 at 9:21 AM

      Yeah, I saw that Barnes pick. I have literally never before heard anyone identify the Fat Toad as their favorite baseball player. I already want this guy off my team. Don’t we have scouts who should be catching this sort of thing?

    • drunkenhooliganism - Jun 7, 2011 at 9:25 AM

      Isn’t Joba the favorite player of every Red Sox fan and player?

    • CJ - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:54 AM

      That was my first thought as well when reading the heading.

      BC, I’m not sure where you’re at this days but you’re missed. It may be a violation for me to do so, but in such dire circumstances I am left with no choice:

      Bryce Harper, you are a chipwich. Not just any chipwich, but the King Sultan Master Supreme Potentate of all chipwiches.

  6. Jonny 5 - Jun 7, 2011 at 8:38 AM

    Everything about him screams “I’m a douche”. His “mustache” screams it loudest.

    • Chris Fiorentino - Jun 7, 2011 at 8:41 AM

      Yes…yes it does. He looks like a young Jayson Stark with that mustache.

      • Jonny 5 - Jun 7, 2011 at 8:49 AM

        Well at least Stark had an actual mustache, ya know instead of that thing that looks like a cat puked it up. I bet all of his “buddies” on the team tell him how it makes him look older and more bada$$ and all, just so they can laugh at him as he plows kissies to the opposing pitcher.

    • ThatGuy - Jun 7, 2011 at 9:18 AM

      His mustache is fine, its the combination with the underlip shit that makes it awful

  7. cozmokramertheassman - Jun 7, 2011 at 8:41 AM

    hasn’t played an inning in the bigs and I hate him already, what a pos

  8. churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 7, 2011 at 8:46 AM

    Wow a teenager acts like a teenager. Didn’t realize all you grumpy old men erected “get off my lawn” signs at the same time.

    • Craig Calcaterra - Jun 7, 2011 at 8:50 AM

      He’s a teenager who willfully and with some degree of effort on the part of him and his parents decided to bypass the years in which he’d learn normal socialization and, as a result, got $16 million bucks. If he wanted to grow up fast for the benefits of it all, he has to pay for it by growing up quicker in terms of maturity.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 7, 2011 at 9:58 AM

        He’s a teenager who willfully and with some degree of effort on the part of him and his parents decided to bypass the years in which he’d learn normal socialization and, as a result, got $16 million bucks.

        So what? He took his GED early, passed it, and enrolled in college because MLB’s rules prevent someone from joining their workforce. We don’t begrudge the geniuses who graduate HS at 14 and end up with double BS’s at age 20 do we? So why pick on him?

        If he wanted to grow up fast for the benefits of it all, he has to pay for it by growing up quicker in terms of maturity.

        You are ascribing this belief to him, not Harper himself. Just because you want him to be a certain way doesn’t mean he has to.

        This is typical of how we, as fans, view all athletes. If they don’t fit into the pretty little picture we want of them, well you get the comments like above. If we really like the person, we push their social issues into the closet (Jordan’s infidelity and gambling issues, Jeter’s actions towards Arod, etc). If we can’t stand the person, you pick them apart piece by piece.

        He’s a teenager, he’s not trying to solve world hunger. He’s not trying to cure cancer. He wants to play baseball. Just let him.

      • Craig Calcaterra - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:03 AM

        “He wants to play baseball. Just let him.”

        Actually, he wants to be a jackass and show up his competition. If he simply wanted to play baseball we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

        As for your analogy, I have no problem with the course Harper took. It was the smart one for him to get his GED, etc. But let’s look at the 14-year-old you mentioned. If he or she got an advanced degree and made it into the workforce at that age, no employer would tolerate it if they acted like a typical 14 year-old. They would be expected to act like the sort of person who typically fulfills that position.

        I ask no less of Harper. Being 18 in a 21-22 year old person’s league explains his behavior, I agree. But it does not excuse it. He wanted the benefits of advancing early, he should accept some responsibility to show that he belongs in that world socially as well.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:09 AM

        Actually, he probably is a jackass, but I cannot say this more clearly. Who gives a shit? How many times do we as fans, and/or the media, have to trump up a player as a great person only to find out they are just as fallible as you or I before we stop doing this. You can cheer the player without caring how they act*.

        But let’s look at the 14-year-old you mentioned. If he or she got an advanced degree and made it into the workforce at that age, no employer would tolerate it if they acted like a typical 14 year-old

        Except what if most of the other employees act in the same assholish manner?

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:11 AM

        *meant to add this. You can find evidence of players from every team pulling similar stunts. People have been picking on this kid since he left HS.

      • Craig Calcaterra - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:11 AM

        The point is that they don’t act in that manner. The reason this is news all over the place today is that baseball players in Bryce Harper’s position don’t admire their shots like that and then blow kisses at the pitcher who gave them up.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:21 AM

        Yes, I’ve never seen a batter blow a kiss at a pitcher, but let’s not be naive and think others haven’t done similar things. Bonds doing a 360 degree spin after hitting a HR, Arod flipping his bat and staring at the dugout with his hands raised, Pujols sitting at home plate for like 30 sec after crushing that HR off Lidge in the playoffs, Fielder’s bowling ball routine, Griffey’s bat drop, etc.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:23 AM

        Regardless of age, this kid a a professional baseball player. Like it or not, with that comes a responsibility to act in a professional manner. In my opinion, Craig’s analogy of a “normal” workplace environment is spot on. Such outlandish stunts would not be tolerated and would result in some type of discipline.

      • cur68 - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:55 AM

        I think too churchoftheperpetual’, that some of us are concerned for the kids health and future. None of really want to see him get beaned or a rib broken, nor do we want to see another d-bag showboat kid in baseball. Concern for his health, career, and public image are actually worthwhile reasons to tell him to act differently. How else do 18 year olds learn to act if not one or more of the older people around him saying “show some class son”?

      • fonzo2 - Jun 7, 2011 at 11:06 AM

        You are ascribing this belief to him, not Harper himself. Just because you want him to be a certain way doesn’t mean he has to.

        This is typical of how we, as fans, view all athletes. If they don’t fit into the pretty little picture we want of them, well you get the comments like above. If we really like the person, we push their social issues into the closet (Jordan’s infidelity and gambling issues, Jeter’s actions towards Arod, etc). If we can’t stand the person, you pick them apart piece by piece.

        He’s a teenager, he’s not trying to solve world hunger. He’s not trying to cure cancer. He wants to play baseball. Just let him.”

        AMEN! AMEN!

      • jimbo1949 - Jun 7, 2011 at 11:08 AM

        Which is why he is in low A ball and will be there for a while. Note GM Rizzo’s comment about learning the day to day culture of pro ball. He’ll move along when he learns to get along.
        Also note that most players having been knocked down get no greater pleasure than taking that pitcher deep, sans the kiss of course.

      • tomemos - Jun 7, 2011 at 12:21 PM

        “He’s a teenager, he’s not trying to solve world hunger. He’s not trying to cure cancer. He wants to play baseball. Just let him.”

        But he also wants us to care about him as a baseball player, right? Otherwise there’s no one to play his salary. So that gives us the right to express our preferences about how he plays. There has never been a paradigm in sports in which fans at large enjoy the pure talent of the players without paying any attention to the players as individuals. In fact, that would be kind of absurd. What would give sports meaning if we couldn’t sympathize with the players?

    • tomemos - Jun 7, 2011 at 12:17 PM

      I didn’t act like that as a teenager. And if I had, people would have scolded me (if they were my parents) or shunned me or even beaten me up (if they were my peers). That’s how socialization works. You seem to be proposing that we *not* criticize a teenager for doing something he shouldn’t do; how does he learn then?

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 7, 2011 at 12:48 PM

        Rather than split my reply into two, I’ll respond here:

        But he also wants us to care about him as a baseball player, right? Otherwise there’s no one to play his salary

        Why can’t they be mutually exclusive? I’m a Yankees fan, and I couldn’t care a lick what type of people they employ. Why? Because I’m sick of having the media trump up a person to be the second coming of the Green Knight only to have the same faults we all do, and then that same media takes way too much glee in tearing that person down.

        Realize they all have faults, they all have good points, just like the rest of us and move on.

        You seem to be proposing that we *not* criticize a teenager for doing something he shouldn’t do; how does he learn then?

        Not at all, because as I mentioned above, most players are guilty of the same behavior but how many of them get all this criticism?

      • heynerdlinger - Jun 7, 2011 at 1:13 PM

        “…most players are guilty of the same behavior but how many of them get all this criticism?”

        Most players are not guilty of the same behavior. In fact, the vast majority of players are not guilty of the same behavior.

        We get it: he’s young, brash, and makes mistakes. No one is advocating locking him up in prison for 20 years. The general consensus is that he shouldn’t act like such a jackass.

      • heynerdlinger - Jun 7, 2011 at 1:20 PM

        And let me add that this is not an off-the-field behavior question, like so many “second coming of the Green Knight” stories are about. This is about how he plays the game, and what happens between the lines.

      • spindervish - Jun 7, 2011 at 1:37 PM

        Serious, serious points for the Green Knight reference.

      • tomemos - Jun 7, 2011 at 1:56 PM

        Adding to what heynerdlinger said, it’s not true that “we all have the same faults” as Bryce Harper. In fact, in almost all walks of life, boasting and showing people up is the mark of (to use nerdlinger’s word) a jackass.

      • tomemos - Jun 7, 2011 at 2:08 PM

        And regarding the other players you mentioned (Bonds, ARod, Pujols, Fielder): A, those guys also received criticism and beanings (the Giants hit Fielder in spring training ’10 to retaliate for the bowling ball thing); B, the scale is different. All of those players hit hundreds of home runs in the majors; Bryce Harper is doing well in one season of single-A ball. Arrogance is never pleasant, but it can be more or less deserved. Harper hasn’t earned it.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM

        B, the scale is different. All of those players hit hundreds of home runs in the majors

        Wait what? The most common retort to people acting like Harper is to “act like you’ve been there before”. Now you are saying that those who’ve been there before can act like this because they’ve been there? Well which is it?

        And the comments about other players isn’t to say that it never happens. It happens all the time. Why complain about it? As someone famous once said, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Players act like asses all the time, why do we expect them not to?

  9. paperlions - Jun 7, 2011 at 8:49 AM

    I am certainly no Harper apologist, but (in addition to the possibility that this pitcher/team have been throwing at him or hitting him) it looks like the pitcher was following Harper around the bases jawing at him. In the background of the shot as Harper heads to 2nd, you can see the pitcher walking that way…then, as Harper rounds 3rd you can see the looking Harper’s way. Harper isn’t looking at the pitcher as he rounds the bag, he slaps the 3B coach’s hand, then his head comes around to the pitcher. I can’t think of any reason for Harper to look over at the pitcher than the pitcher saying something.

    Players admiring their HRs is common place these days (and wasn’t all that uncommon back when players allegedly sprinted around the bases either, there are plenty of shots of players standing at the plate watching the ball fly, but because they are romanticized people conveniently ignore it), so it is not reasonable to single Harper out for that….and no, he shouldn’t have blown the pitcher a kiss or even looked at him….but it does seem like the Pitcher instigated the behavior. The pitcher should have been getting a new ball, thinking about the next batter, and trying not to suck so much, not ragging on the guy that just took you out of the park.

  10. royhobbs39 - Jun 7, 2011 at 8:51 AM

    We all know about those Grasshoppers. The way they carry on and strut their stuff, they are just asking for it. Harper did what we all wish we could do.

    (dripping with sarcasm)

  11. royhobbs39 - Jun 7, 2011 at 8:56 AM

    This just in…”A Teenager Who was Given a $Multi-Million Bonus Turns Out to be a Spoiled Little Brat!”

    Next up..”A Congressman Lies About Extra-Marital Affairs!”

    (Headlines from any time over the last twenty years)

  12. yankeesfanlen - Jun 7, 2011 at 8:56 AM

    What does this whippernapper have in mind next? Sexting a picture to his girlfriend….how immature, only Congressmen do that. Who’s on the ballot in Mississippi?

  13. skipperxc - Jun 7, 2011 at 8:56 AM

    Man, you think people in the minors are gonna take offense at this — can you imagine what it’ll be like when he hits the majors at age 20, 21? Can you imagine if he’s good straight out of the box? He’s gonna get wrecked!

    I can’t wait.

  14. heynerdlinger - Jun 7, 2011 at 9:03 AM

    Can you just imagine the ink that would be spilled if this kid were black?

    • paperlions - Jun 7, 2011 at 9:10 AM

      Nonsense, if the kid was black (or Latino), no one would be paying attention to him this closely in A ball.

    • Jonny 5 - Jun 7, 2011 at 9:48 AM

      Somehow this story is a race issue. Somehow… Eyes rolllllllllllllling

    • heynerdlinger - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:03 AM

      Look, he’s an asshat in any color. And no, this isn’t a race issue per se, but you can’t just ignore the fact that other athletes would be getting the “showboat” and “prima donna” label while Harper is just an “immature teenager.”

      His behavior is inappropriate, arrogant, and immature regardless of his race or his age. We (read: the media) should be as conscious of that for the talented white kid as we (read: the media) are when it’s Lastings Milledge or BJ Upton.

  15. itsacurse - Jun 7, 2011 at 9:18 AM

    There’s “violating the unwritten rules” and then there’s “being a jerk.”

  16. powder29 - Jun 7, 2011 at 9:18 AM

    Harper stood at the plate at watched the ball for a really long time. I wouldn’t be surprised if that prompted to the pitcher to say something, in response to which, Harper blew the kiss.

  17. harrygottlieb - Jun 7, 2011 at 9:20 AM

    As this blog notes, Harper was beaned the day before.

    http://natsnewsnetworkoffthefield.blogspot.com/2011/06/harper-homers-and-blows-kiss-to-pitcher.html

  18. halladaysbicepts - Jun 7, 2011 at 9:27 AM

    First of all, punk move by Harper. If he did this at the MLB level against a guy like Roy Halladay, the next time up he’d have a ball in his ear at the very least. Roy may even run him down in the dugout.

    Second, I have said before that one of the main reasons that the Nationals signed Werth was to mentor and reign in this kid. Werth would probably smack this kid upside the head for this amateur stunt.

    Unbelieveable talent, though. One scout said that a talent like his comes around once every 40 years.

    • The Common Man/www.platoonadvantage.com - Jun 7, 2011 at 9:34 AM

      Disturbed that I agree with you. Feels a little dirty, actually.

      • halladaysbicepts - Jun 7, 2011 at 9:38 AM

        It’s OK, Common Man. The bicepts always appreciates your input. I hear that taking a cold shower after agreeing with the bicepts will wash that dirt away and make you feel better.

        Hey, I sound like Rickey Henderson, talking in the 3rd person about myself.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:13 AM

        ‘Bicepts actually makes many good points on this blog. Often times he gets shouted down for holding the minority opinion. Sure sometimes a bit of hyperbole is throw in there but hyperbole is meant to illustrate a good point.

      • halladaysbicepts - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:17 AM

        Thank you, good Doctor, for the kind words. My hyperbole is always meant to spice up the conversation, take the gloves off in a good way, and make people think.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:25 AM

        I know. I get that…many other don’t seem to. I do the same thing. It is just some people on this board tend to get nasty and resort to personal insults if you have a difference of opinion.

      • halladaysbicepts - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:33 AM

        That’s right, Doctor. People like you and me clear through the bs and talk about baseball.

        By the way, just an FYI. The Charlie Manual hour long show is on today on WIP from 12:00 to 1:00 today with Anthony and Glen in case you can get near a radio or stream it on the internet today. Awesome to listen to Charlie for an hour.

      • spindervish - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:37 AM

        A truly good point rarely requires hyperbole.

        And the guy rarely gets shouted down for “holding the minority opinion.” He gets shouted down for being a dick about it, whatever his opinion.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:54 AM

        Yeah, people get shouted down for being a jerk on this blog.
        Mr. Jason “El Bravo” Heyward – Jun 6, 2011 at 4:11 PM
        With all do respect (of which I have very little for you these days), Lenny Dykstra is a sexist, racist, piece of trash that has scammed countless people, so he can go f@ck himself and you can go with him if you’d like. I find it hilarious and fitting that he be put in jail for at least one of the hundred shitty and illegal things he’s done.

        Thanks for the stats on drug abuse. Next time I light a fatty and toss back some bourbon, I’ll try to determine if I’m the one of six OR part of the other five of the six. Addiction is a bitch but she’s my bitch.

        20 thumbs up….3 thumbs down.

      • halladaysbicepts - Jun 7, 2011 at 11:01 AM

        Doctor, just ignore them. They try to goad me on too, but I have none of it anymore.

        By the way, I think a lot of them manipulate the thumbs up/thumbs down thing. You can add as many as you like simply by disabling the cookie/cache option in your browser.

        Either way, like I said before, I don’t pay attention nor care anymore.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 7, 2011 at 11:11 AM

        Like I said last night, I don’t mind criticizing my ideas or my opinions. However, getting personal and throwing around profane language crosses the line. Other message boards and sites would have suspended him for that stuff. In my opinion, this blog should do the same. If there is one thing I am always deadly serious about it is addiction. This kid going around glorifying illicit drug use and then calling somebody a d*ck and telling them to go f themselves because they disagree crosses the line of common decency. On this issue, I am drawing a line in the sand.

    • paperlions - Jun 7, 2011 at 9:34 AM

      This wouldn’t happen against Halladay because Halladay wouldn’t chirp at the guy as he rounded the bases. Also, Halladay would never bean a guy for being a hot dog, it would not serve his purpose and he’s not a vengeful guy.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:15 AM

        I half agree with your point. Halladay wouldn’t chirp at the guy, but if the player were grandstanding, Halladay would stare him down. Also, don’t think he would initially hit the guy, but an inside cutter might come his way.

  19. The Common Man/www.platoonadvantage.com - Jun 7, 2011 at 9:32 AM

    Jesus, kid. Just act like you’ve been there before and will be there again. The prima dona act is tired.

  20. asianstalkingsensation - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:02 AM

    He’s 18…..big contract or not, 18 year old kids will make mistakes…they’ll learn from them. There are a lot of instances where these top round talent kids make some mistakes only to grow up from them, ie Delmon Young. People hating on this kid were already haters and just dislike the fact that at 18, he is more talented than any of us ever were/will be. My 18 year old son is just as self-entitled and he doesn’t even have the baseball talent Harper does…

    How can he have “been there before”, when he really hasn’t? He’s 18. Most of us were probably passed out drunk at a frat party at 18…

    • halladaysbicepts - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:08 AM

      asianstalkingsensation, that username is awesome!!!!

      I have to give you mad props for a pimping name like that!

    • tomemos - Jun 7, 2011 at 12:24 PM

      Well, wait, you say he’ll make mistakes and will learn from them, which is fine…then you say we’re jealous haters for criticizing his mistakes? Are they mistakes or not? How is he going to learn from them if he doesn’t get called on them?

  21. scottp9 - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:09 AM

    It wasn’t $16m that Harper got – less than $10m – but still . . .

  22. sanzarq - Jun 7, 2011 at 12:30 PM

    I’ll be on the lookout for the next HEADLINE story about this jerk – “Bean Ball upside Head Sends Harper to the Showers”!

  23. jemihami - Jun 10, 2011 at 2:53 PM

    Harper has the same swagger as Reggie Jackson had and Reggie never lost his … even in his final season.

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