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More rumblings that Jorge Posada will be released by the All-Star break

Jun 8, 2011, 9:40 AM EDT

Posada

We heard this last month, but we’re hearing it again: If Jorge Posada isn’t hitting by the All-Star break, he’s gone.  Here’s how Ian O’Connor put it in his column at ESPN New York this morning:

Posada doesn’t have two more seasons beyond this one on his contract, with a player option for a third. He has only until the All-Star break, give or take a couple of weeks, to prove he can be a productive member of a winning Yankees team. If he fails in that pursuit, his distinguished career in pinstripes will end. The Yankees would never release Posada before his best friend’s milestone achievement, likely arriving by the end of next week.

That wasn’t a “might,” that was a “will,” suggesting that O’Connor is getting this on decent authority.  And that “milestone” reference, of course, refers to Derek Jeter‘s 3000th hit.

So I guess that means that Posada must really be rooting for Jeter to struggle, huh?

  1. itsacurse - Jun 8, 2011 at 9:52 AM

    “The Yankees would never release Posada before his best friend’s milestone achievement” Stop and think about how insane that is, especially given the money involved. Of course, Ian O’Connor is a Grade A moron, so it’s probably entirely not true. Moving on…

    • yankeesfanlen - Jun 8, 2011 at 9:55 AM

      More thumbs up for the Ian O’Connor slam. Luckily he’r running out of places to work around here.

    • heynerdlinger - Jun 8, 2011 at 10:43 AM

      The money is spent, so it’s really a question of the roster spot. They’re paying Posada regardless, but do they have someone in the minors they’d rather have on the bench in New York?

  2. yankeesfanlen - Jun 8, 2011 at 9:53 AM

    Do not say he wasn’t given a chance. Last year his game calling abilities were suspect. He used to be a damn fine hitter, now that’s a distant memory and DH means you’re designated to, you know, hit.

    • deathmonkey41 - Jun 8, 2011 at 11:05 AM

      yankeesfanlen- his game calling abilities and defense behind the plate has ALWAYS been suspect, but he could hit the hell out of the ball, so it was ignored. I like the guy and was rooting for him, but the occasional single he gets just isn’t going to cut it for a DH in the AL East.

  3. dodger88 - Jun 8, 2011 at 10:00 AM

    They need to open up the DH position for Jeter and others; since he’s not in their future plans and is currently hitting poorly, cutting him loose is the best course of action.

    • baccards - Jun 8, 2011 at 10:21 AM

      If Posada was on an NL team he’d be long gone..but instead he continues to “play” in the AL

  4. ILoveBaseball - Jun 8, 2011 at 10:16 AM

    I’d expect the way the team deals with Jorge to be similar to that of Jeter – not this year of course. Jeter was somewhere in the middle of all shortstops last year depending on what metric you use. Right now he’s in the bottom third. While it’s only ~250 plate appearance it sure looks like a decline. He probably won’t hit enough to play any other position let alone DH. Wonder what will happen there?

  5. Panda Claus - Jun 8, 2011 at 10:19 AM

    I wouldn’t put dirt on top of Posada yet. There’s still 2/3’s of the season yet and the team is winning despite his struggles. Besides, he kills Baltimore pitching and still has a dozen games left against them to get healthy again.

    • ILoveBaseball - Jun 8, 2011 at 11:03 AM

      Comments like “he kills Baltimore pitching” can’t be just tossed out.
      Jorge has 77 career AB against current Baltimore pitching.
      Against the starters in 46 AB he’s he’s .130/.231/.217 with 1 HR.
      Against the whole staff he’s .208/.282/.442.
      Someone’s getting killed but it’s not the Baltimore pitchers.

      • CJ - Jun 8, 2011 at 11:24 AM

        even if he did “kill Baltimore pitching”, that’s not a very strong reason to keep him. Who cares how he hits Baltimore?

        Now if he “killed Boston pitching” that could have some merit, but if your primary defense for keeping Posada around is because the Universe can’t beat the Orioles without him, well, I don’t have words to decribe how silly that sounds.

        Add to that the splits vs. Baltimore noted above and it sounds like an even worse defense, if that’s possible.

  6. yankeesfanlen - Jun 8, 2011 at 10:31 AM

    The real problem with the Yanks is an institutional one. They simply cannot pick a good DH since, well, Giambi. We do all these makeshift things, a year too late. Last year should have been Posada’s DH year, instead of fiddley-farting with Nick Johnson and Lance Berkman. So now you’ll say Lance is doing wonderfully with the Cards. Get those apples and oranges ready.
    Boston has it all over us at DH. Ortiz struggled early last year, great since.
    Even if O’Connor is wrong, the scheduled action must come.
    Jeter to DH NOW!
    But it won’t happen til after the ASG because the Yanks front office will dally through that thoroughly distracting interleague nonsense.

    • heynerdlinger - Jun 8, 2011 at 10:47 AM

      Outside of 20 more hits and 90 plate appearances, Jeter and Posada have been producing about the same at the plate this year.

      • yankeesfanlen - Jun 8, 2011 at 10:51 AM

        Just trying to do something plausible, see fyurther comment below as to who to bring up.

      • ILoveBaseball - Jun 8, 2011 at 11:05 AM

        But Jorge is a DH, not a shortstop, as yankeesfanlen pointed out.

      • paperlions - Jun 8, 2011 at 12:44 PM

        Does Jeter standing at SS, make him a SS?

        Is being bad in the field and bad at the plate better or worse than only being bad at the plate?

      • CJ - Jun 8, 2011 at 2:06 PM

        paper,

        your point is certainly noted, but I believe Len is making a case to not burn DH on Jeter. His point is that the lineup would be better with one “shortstop” and a bigger bat than being tied to two “shortstops” (using that term loosely with Jeter, and then of course whoever the real SS ends up being).

        Of course, there are Jeter’s defensive shortcomings to consider, but having a real masher at DH could easily make up for those shortcomings. I’d be curious where that real masher would come from, but it seems the Yankees always find a way to get what they want at the deadline

    • itsacurse - Jun 8, 2011 at 10:48 AM

      How about giving Jorge Vazquez a shot a Jeter can actually sit on the bench every once in a while?

    • cur68 - Jun 8, 2011 at 10:48 AM

      When will this be over? It’s unaccountable, frankly. Posada needs to go NOW, not by the ASB. Not even a handful of games separate the teams in the AL East and The Universe keeps screwing around with not only Posada but Jeter, too? WTF? Are these the Yankees or a retirement home?

    • heynerdlinger - Jun 8, 2011 at 11:15 AM

      But why DH Jeter? He’s not hitting any better than Posada, so you might as well put him in the field so you can put a real masher at DH.

  7. proudlycanadian - Jun 8, 2011 at 10:40 AM

    As much as I think that Posada is done for dinner, I hope that the Yankees do not release him. The more weak hitters there are on that team, the better it is for the rest of the league.

  8. yankeesfanlen - Jun 8, 2011 at 10:48 AM

    I think he’s still recovering in the minors, I would bring up Jorge Vazquez. Probably didn’t make it in the spring training cut because he plays 1st and 3rd, super power- if Jeter is politically incorrect now, just DH him or spell ARod or Tex.

    • baseballstars - Jun 8, 2011 at 3:57 PM

      Hell yes. I’ve been saying it since early on – Jorge Vazquez is the answer. The DH isn’t for singles (hits, that is). Vazquez has been rotting away in the minors, give him a chance already.

  9. henryd3rd - Jun 8, 2011 at 12:03 PM

    Once again the “haters” show how little they know about this game. And obviously they don’t watch the Yankees as well; because with Teixeira injured by a pitch ball last night Posada was put into to play first, handled his position well and went 3 for 3 plus a one walk. Since Eric Chavez is still on the injured list Posada gets to play first and maybe get his swing back.

    • yankeesfanlen - Jun 8, 2011 at 12:20 PM

      Obviously, I’m not a “hater” at all, just have to do the best for the team. As Craig said in reference to something else a couple of weeks ago- If wishes and buts were candy and nuts, we’d all have a happy Christmas.
      I’ve liked Jorge for a long time as a .300 hitter, but don’t want this to continue “for auld land syne”

    • proudlycanadian - Jun 8, 2011 at 2:36 PM

      Did I just read that Posada will miss todays game?

  10. plmathfoto - Jun 8, 2011 at 12:14 PM

    I never understood their thinking on this, he was a good hitter for a catcher, but was getting older and I said before the season there are plenty of better options for a dh. Now with his attitude and blowup, my joke was that maybe he was upset because he tried out for Dumbo with those ears, got rejected, so he did that blowup to qualify for the role a different way.

  11. spudchukar - Jun 8, 2011 at 12:19 PM

    Unlike almost anyone who would replace Posada, he offers flexibility. He can always catch in a pinch, and his switch-hitting makes match-ups more difficult. If the Yanks believe he will come around somewhat offensively, it might just be wise to keep him around, even if it is primarily as a bench player.

    • CJ - Jun 8, 2011 at 12:28 PM

      did you not see how he reacted when put in the 9th slot? How do you think he’ll react when benched altogether?

      They don’t have much of a choice without him putting up a fuss, either play him every day or cut him. I don’t see an in-between in this situation.

      • spudchukar - Jun 8, 2011 at 1:02 PM

        If he is disruptive riding the pine, then you are probably correct, but perhaps his inner Yankee will surface and he will do what is best for the team, and as a role player he still has value.

      • CJ - Jun 8, 2011 at 1:09 PM

        Fair enough…just pointing out that the last time he was in a similar situation, his “inner-Yankee” was nowhere to be found.

        He may still have value, but I think that he would be of more value to a young team that wants to be a contender that lacks playoff experience (I’m thinking the Indians off the top of my head), than the Yankees. They could easily replace his production in the DH spot with any number of guys, and it’s not like he’s a catcher you bring off the bench for defensive purposes or anything. It almost seems that right now they’re keeping him around just for the sake of keeping the “Core Four” together,. i.e. more based on sentimental reasons as almost a mascot than based on actual production.

      • spudchukar - Jun 8, 2011 at 1:43 PM

        Mascot. Ouch. Good Stuff CJ.

  12. deathmonkey41 - Jun 8, 2011 at 1:09 PM

    Does anyone know when Eric Chavez will be back?

  13. skipp - Jun 8, 2011 at 2:48 PM

    Jorge isn’t going anywhere people. He’s still plenty useful to the Yanks and anyone that doesn’t realize that has an extremely short-term memory. Is he the hitter that he used to be? Not in the slightest, but he’s not a .190 hitter either.

    Jorge can still hit the long ball, he can still play first, and he’s still a veteran presence, which no one here can truly quantify. Oh yea, he also a switch hitter (albeit a pretty one-sided one).

  14. royalsfaninfargo - Jun 8, 2011 at 3:06 PM

    I think the funniest quote of the season so far is when Ken Rosenthal called Posada a “borderline Hall of Famer”.

    • baseballstars - Jun 8, 2011 at 3:58 PM

      Don’t laugh. The Veteran’s Committee will prove you wrong.

      • royalsfaninfargo - Jun 8, 2011 at 4:19 PM

        If he played for the Pirates, Astros, Royals, Twins etc…, basically anywhere outside of New York no one in the “media” would care about him.

      • royalsfaninfargo - Jun 8, 2011 at 4:20 PM

        But you are probably right. They did vote Joe Gordon in.

  15. deathmonkey41 - Jun 8, 2011 at 5:28 PM

    I am one of the people that thinks Jorge probably has to move on to another team, but I think if you look at his HR and RBI numbers and I think he probably stacks up with other HOF catchers. Perhaps Craig has better access to compare numbers though because I can’t make that statement with any kind of certainty.

    • royalsfaninfargo - Jun 8, 2011 at 5:46 PM

      At this point Death, would any other team want him? More importantly would he want to leave?

  16. blueyedcharlie - Jun 8, 2011 at 7:07 PM

    Show him the door Hip Hip Jorge your time is up Enjoy your retirement!

  17. paul621 - Jun 8, 2011 at 7:47 PM

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see him hit the DL for the rest of year, then retire/get traded in the offseason. I have a hard time seeing the Yankees outright releasing him at this point.

  18. blueyedcharlie - Jun 8, 2011 at 9:59 PM

    Bottom line send Posada and Cervelli packing and bring up the kids. It’s time to see if they can shine

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