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	<title>Comments on: Bruised hand sends Phillies closer Ryan Madson to DL</title>
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		<title>By: dprat</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 05:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fiorentino,

Based on a tiny sample size of innings, some believers in the &quot;magical closer&quot; theory concluded that Madson didn&#039;t have what it takes to be successful in the ninth inning. Others saw that Madson, who otherwise had a fantastic record as a reliever, in a large sample size, knew that there wasn&#039;t anything magical about the 9th, and concluded he would be just fine in the closing role.

It&#039;s not just Madson, it&#039;s a fundamental issue that was being argued. Madson&#039;s success this year is one more data point in an overwhelming series of data points that some people just don&#039;t get. It&#039;s like a religious belief in &quot;intelligent design,&quot; which will never die no matter how much evidence there is to discredit it. So, me, I&#039;m all for rubbing it in people&#039;s faces every opportunity one can. You may never convince those with a religious attachment to the &quot;magical closer&quot; theory, but you can hopefully dissuade more open minds from ever flirting with such ridiculous nonsense.

Oh, and by the way, when you call Aaron &quot;a real baby,&quot; you reveal just how thin-skinned you are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fiorentino,</p>
<p>Based on a tiny sample size of innings, some believers in the &#8220;magical closer&#8221; theory concluded that Madson didn&#8217;t have what it takes to be successful in the ninth inning. Others saw that Madson, who otherwise had a fantastic record as a reliever, in a large sample size, knew that there wasn&#8217;t anything magical about the 9th, and concluded he would be just fine in the closing role.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just Madson, it&#8217;s a fundamental issue that was being argued. Madson&#8217;s success this year is one more data point in an overwhelming series of data points that some people just don&#8217;t get. It&#8217;s like a religious belief in &#8220;intelligent design,&#8221; which will never die no matter how much evidence there is to discredit it. So, me, I&#8217;m all for rubbing it in people&#8217;s faces every opportunity one can. You may never convince those with a religious attachment to the &#8220;magical closer&#8221; theory, but you can hopefully dissuade more open minds from ever flirting with such ridiculous nonsense.</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way, when you call Aaron &#8220;a real baby,&#8221; you reveal just how thin-skinned you are.</p>
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		<title>By: mikedi33</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mikedi33]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t know why phils consistently lie on injuries. Don&#039;t think they are telling the whole truth here. Fri they said he had an infected nerve causing numbness in his hand. Sat he got a cortisone shot. I am no doctor but an infection requires antibiotics not cortisone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know why phils consistently lie on injuries. Don&#8217;t think they are telling the whole truth here. Fri they said he had an infected nerve causing numbness in his hand. Sat he got a cortisone shot. I am no doctor but an infection requires antibiotics not cortisone.</p>
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		<title>By: xmatt0926x</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xmatt0926x]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed. It;s funny how you can read stories of how this pitching coach found this flaw or that flaw or how they taught a certain pitch to a guy to help them out, but you never read these stories about Dubee. And it&#039;s not just because the aces don&#039;t need any help. You never heard any of these stories before Lee, Halladay, or Oswalt were here either.  It&#039;s always about some other pitcher who caught some flaw or some minor league coach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. It;s funny how you can read stories of how this pitching coach found this flaw or that flaw or how they taught a certain pitch to a guy to help them out, but you never read these stories about Dubee. And it&#8217;s not just because the aces don&#8217;t need any help. You never heard any of these stories before Lee, Halladay, or Oswalt were here either.  It&#8217;s always about some other pitcher who caught some flaw or some minor league coach.</p>
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		<title>By: mercyflush</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mercyflush]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lol what?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol what?</p>
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		<title>By: dirtyharry1971</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dirtyharry1971]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 18:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this is just a start i see more phillies landing on the DL real soon]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is just a start i see more phillies landing on the DL real soon</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Fiorentino</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/28/bruised-hand-sends-phillies-closer-ryan-madson-to-dl/comment-page-1/#comment-155648</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Fiorentino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doc, Lee and Carlton have something to say &quot;Closer?  We don&#039;t need no stinking closers.&quot;

And Aaron...isn&#039;t it time to get off the whole &quot;I told you so about Ryan Madson&quot; bandwagon?  The fact remains that until this year, he SUCKED as a closer, yet you continue to rip people for questioning whether he could close.  Sometimes, you can be a real baby.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc, Lee and Carlton have something to say &#8220;Closer?  We don&#8217;t need no stinking closers.&#8221;</p>
<p>And Aaron&#8230;isn&#8217;t it time to get off the whole &#8220;I told you so about Ryan Madson&#8221; bandwagon?  The fact remains that until this year, he SUCKED as a closer, yet you continue to rip people for questioning whether he could close.  Sometimes, you can be a real baby.</p>
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		<title>By: halladaysbicepts</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[halladaysbicepts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bastardo&#039;s Bastards will be happy with this news. Let&#039;s see how Antonio can pitch with a little pressure. He appears to me to have the stones to close. We&#039;ll see, baby!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bastardo&#8217;s Bastards will be happy with this news. Let&#8217;s see how Antonio can pitch with a little pressure. He appears to me to have the stones to close. We&#8217;ll see, baby!!!</p>
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		<title>By: spudchukar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spudchukar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It isn&#039;t the How, that I find implausible, it is contention that it is just a bruise, that I question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t the How, that I find implausible, it is contention that it is just a bruise, that I question.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He learned a tough lesson last season.  Don&#039;t kick the chair.  However, no one ever told him not to punch the chair apparently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He learned a tough lesson last season.  Don&#8217;t kick the chair.  However, no one ever told him not to punch the chair apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: drmonkeyarmy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[drmonkeyarmy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is nothing wrong with Herndon. Every since they recalled him Herndon has been great. Apparently the AAA pitching coach sorted out some mechanical issues. Why Dubee didn&#039;t notice these issues is another story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing wrong with Herndon. Every since they recalled him Herndon has been great. Apparently the AAA pitching coach sorted out some mechanical issues. Why Dubee didn&#8217;t notice these issues is another story.</p>
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		<title>By: FC</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have glove for that: it&#039;s not just to hide the baseball and the grip your throwing hand has on it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have glove for that: it&#8217;s not just to hide the baseball and the grip your throwing hand has on it.</p>
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		<title>By: drmonkeyarmy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[drmonkeyarmy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, seriously. He messed up his hand in the Texas series. He pitched quite a few times after that but to me it looked like he was having a problem gripping his change up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, seriously. He messed up his hand in the Texas series. He pitched quite a few times after that but to me it looked like he was having a problem gripping his change up.</p>
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		<title>By: bleedgreen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bleedgreen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 16:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stutes and Bastardo are fine... as long as you can get your starter through 7 innings. Otherwise we start rolling out Danys Baez and David Herndon to soak up the 6th and 7th. I&#039;m looking at you Vanimal Worley. You&#039;re good but are too inefficient. Get on that shit, Dubee.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stutes and Bastardo are fine&#8230; as long as you can get your starter through 7 innings. Otherwise we start rolling out Danys Baez and David Herndon to soak up the 6th and 7th. I&#8217;m looking at you Vanimal Worley. You&#8217;re good but are too inefficient. Get on that shit, Dubee.</p>
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		<title>By: spudchukar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spudchukar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 16:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am finding it difficult to believe this diagnosis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am finding it difficult to believe this diagnosis.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny 5</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonny 5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 16:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hear that Cliffy? huh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear that Cliffy? huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 16:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Their best closers will remain Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay and Cole Hamels (9 CGs).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their best closers will remain Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay and Cole Hamels (9 CGs).</p>
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		<title>By: drmonkeyarmy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[drmonkeyarmy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 16:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let that be a lesson to pitchers: don&#039;t stick out your bare hand to deflect a baseball rocketed at you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let that be a lesson to pitchers: don&#8217;t stick out your bare hand to deflect a baseball rocketed at you.</p>
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