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Confirmed: Adrian Gonzalez to play right field tonight

Jun 29, 2011, 3:01 PM EDT

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Matthew noted that this was a strong possibility yesterday, but the lineups have been announced and it’s gonna happen tonight: Adrian Gonzalez will start in right field, David Ortiz at first base.

I think the most apt comment on all of this came from Dustin Pedroia after last night’s game when asked about the possibility:

“It will be good for us offensively, but damn, I’m going to have to play second, first and right.”

Definitely one to tune into.

  1. halladaysbicepts - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:07 PM

    Like I said earlier, watching the Fat Load play 1st base will be funny to watch, given all the Phillies left handed batters. Utley, Howard, Ibanez, Brown, etc. will keep the Fat Load busy tonight as they pull ball after ball towards his side.

    He should lose about 10 pounds tonight.

    • MightyMoonWorm - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:17 PM

      I don’t think I have ever seen one fielder commit more than 3 errors in a single game. I am hopeful for tonight though.

      • bloodysock - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:36 PM

        Uggla had three in four innings of play during the 2008 All Star Game

      • MightyMoonWorm - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:48 PM

        That’s the one I was thinking of bloody. What a hilarious time.

      • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:45 PM

        I believe Starlin Castro had three errors in ONE INNING earlier this year. Someone source this b/c I’m going to get drunk now.

      • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:47 PM

        Never mind, found it: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Not-so-Darlin-8217-Starlin-Castro-commits-thr?urn=mlb-wp4462

    • cba456 - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:25 PM

      Ortiz: 6-4, 230
      Howard: 6-4, 240 (via mlb.com)

      I’m not saying they are 100% accurate, but don’t throw cheesesteaks if you live in fat houses.

      • CJ - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:34 PM

        Difference is, Howard actually has a clue how to play first. Fat has nothing to do with it, though I do find those measurables hard to believe.

      • halladaysbicepts - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:36 PM

        Are you serious? Ryan Howard is a more than capable defensive 1st basemen. He made himself one of the better 1st basemen in the NL.

        Guess you haven’t watched him play much.

      • Ari Collins - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM

        Howard is of course a better fielder than Ortiz. Not what cba was saying, though. He was just saying it’s kind of stupid to call a first baseman fat when your favorite team’s first baseman is just as fat.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:50 PM

        I’m not buying 240 for Howard anymore. He has lost a ton of weight and toned up as his career has progressed.

      • halladaysbicepts - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:54 PM

        Ari,

        Seriously, I have to ask you this. You seem like a level headed guy with some of your other posts. Do you respond to me with nonsense just to irritate me. I call it how I see it.

        David Ortiz is a PED, cheating fat slob who could never make in in the National League. Everyone knows it. Why do you dispute this?

      • FC - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:54 PM

        Weight =/= Fat

        It’s all about body fat %, I’m willing to bet Ortiz has higher body fat %. I’m sure Howard has more weight in muscle than Ortiz.

      • halladaysbicepts - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:56 PM

        Good Doctor,

        These BoSox idiots should have their posting abilities revoked. They say the dumbest things.

        Howard is built like an adonis.

      • acheron2112 - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:05 PM

        The idea that any decent AL player “can’t make it in the National League” is laughable. The AL is so obviously the superior league, as interleague play shows again and again. 2/3 of the NL teams would love to have Ortiz play for them.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:09 PM

        Interleague play is a mockery as is the DH. Here is a quote from Cliff Lee: “In the American League, you’re a pitcher,” Lee said. “Over here, you have to pitch, hit and run the bases. I just think it’s fun. I feel more like a baseball player in the National League versus the American League.” Feels more like a baseball player because he has to hit AND field.

      • halladaysbicepts - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:14 PM

        Good Doctor,

        That’s why Cliff Lee exactly wanted to come to the NL. It’s real baseball. Not the nonsense of “What will Tito do with the load known as Papi. Will he play him tonight? What will the defense be like.”

        I swear, I want the Phillies to lay down a 10 spot tonight against these frauds.

      • Ari Collins - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:53 PM

        Bicepts, you put words in people’s mouths an awful lot (see above where you argued with something cba never said), but in this case, I’m happy that you pretended I’ve disputed that Ortiz could never play in the NL, considering that’s pretty disputable.

        I’m not sure who “everyone” is. Who have you been talking to that tells you that Ortiz couldn’t play in the NL? He’s not a great defensive first-baseman, but there are worse than him, and there aren’t many better hitters. In 8+ years as a Red Sox he’s hit 328 HRs, in the better league, in a park that’s awfully hard on left-handed power hitters. When we factor in defense, I could name 4 NL teams that he wouldn’t be an upgrade for: Cardinals, Phillies, Brewers, Reds. MAYBE the Marlins or Diamondbacks, but that’s questionable. So that’stwo thirds to three quarters of the NL that would love to have him.

        Again, the problem here isn’t Ortiz at 1st, it’s Gonzales in RF.

        And yeah, Ortiz tested positive for PEDs in 2003 (when it actually wasn’t cheating). Since then, he’s been clean. Unless you think that he’s using now. But you’d have to be basing that on performance alone, in which case you’d have to say he wasn’t using the previous two years. In which case a) that makes no sense, and b) you have to start doubting everyone, including your favorite team, just based on “guys who do well must be using”. And I doubt there’s a single team in baseball without a star who’s used PEDs, so… get off our high horse, sir.

      • marshmallowsnake - Jun 29, 2011 at 6:42 PM

        Hmm…Baseball reference only lists the top 5…and I am sure at .990 last year, Howard was not one of the best fielders at his position:

        Fielding % as 1B
        1. Berkman (HOU) .999
        2. Pujols (STL) .998
        3. Loney (LAD) .997
        4. Fielder (MIL) .997
        5. Huff (SFG) .996

    • aceshigh11 - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:43 PM

      You are starting the piss me the f_ck off.

      “Red Sox idiots”? Are we Sox fans somehow unique?

      Just shut up for once and watch the goddamned game. Good luck to your team, asshat.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:47 PM

        Asshat….that is funny. I giggle like a school girl whenever I hear somebody use that term. In general, not you specifically, Red Sox fans are somewhat unique and obnoxious.

      • halladaysbicepts - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:48 PM

        Go eat a bag of di*ks, AL a-hole. Go sleep with your PED, fat, can’t barely play the field DH.

        The Phillies rule baseball, not the Sox. Get over it and live with it.

      • marshmallowsnake - Jun 29, 2011 at 6:43 PM

        I prefer assbag…as it refers to something that collects excrement.

    • Glenn - Jun 29, 2011 at 6:27 PM

      Ortiz is not that bad of a first baseman, especially considering how little time he has spent there. It’s Gonzalez in right that should be more interesting.

  2. Jonny 5 - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:15 PM

    I knew Francona would do it. I just knew it…. This will entertain me beyond belief.

    One thing though.

    Worley is RH, and I worry Ortiz AND Gonzalez will take him to task. Let’s not pretend Ortiz isn’t a premier hitter, even though Gam Gam could cover first better than he does.

    • Jonny 5 - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:26 PM

      I can’t believe that so many people thumb downed the greatest movie of all time. It’s a disgrace!

  3. FC - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:16 PM

    I would love to see a line drive ground ball bounce between Ortiz’s legs and then through Gonzalez’s legs for an inside the park HR…

    • b7p19 - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:44 PM

      I don’t think the ground balls will be a gon’s problem. He’ll be fine out there, he just won’t have great range. He’s got a great glove and above average arm. I’d bet money on him looking better out there than some of the trainwrecks we’ve seen this season.

    • Joe - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:54 PM

      Pretty sure that would be two errors, not a HR.

    • FC - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:56 PM

      I’m just kidding, that would be an extreme case of comedy of errors. More hopefully Line drives near the line or fly balls into the gap will have a higher % of making it. But then again maybe this is all hype and the Sox will be fine in the field. We’ll just to watch the game and see if there’s any real difference.

    • marshmallowsnake - Jun 29, 2011 at 6:48 PM

      Curious…what is a line drive ground ball…aren’t they two separate things?

      • FC - Jun 30, 2011 at 3:43 PM

        That’s why it’s a joke.

  4. essfjay - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:21 PM

    you better hope the guy doesnt get injured. should of just had david ortiz coming off the bench.

  5. goredsoxnc - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:29 PM

    I know it doesn’t happen often and non-Sox fans don’t see it when it does, but Ortizzle is actually pretty good with the glove. He’s made a couple of good plays in the playoffs, including throwing out Jeff Suppan at 3b. I’m not saying he’s Gonzalez by any stretch, but he’s not going to embarass himself, either.

    • halladaysbicepts - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:38 PM

      If that was the case, why didn’t he play last night? Gonzales would have been fine in the OF, all things considered.

      The answer to that is that he is worse than a hack at 1st base.

      • Ari Collins - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:44 PM

        The answer is that Gonzalez is not likely to be a good RF and they were against a LHP, mitigating the offensive advantage.

        The real issue isn’t Ortiz at 1B. Not that he’s great, but he’s adequate out there. No, the issue’s Adrian having to run around out there.

      • goredsoxnc - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:46 PM

        Actually the whole reason this has been held up IS the concern over Gonzalez in right; not that he couldn’t handle it, but that he would might get hurt doing it. Imagine the uproar in Boston (or in Philly for that matter) if your best player were to get hurt for any length of time for the sake of a short interleague series in June. THAT has been the entire reason for this hold-up; do you think Ortiz hasn’t had to play 1B in previous years during interleague play? Of course he has; the difference this year is the presence of Gonzalez at 1B.

      • halladaysbicepts - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM

        Ari,

        You are an idiot. Watch your precious team lose tonight. I swear, they will lose, and lose they will.

        Someone tell Youkilis to hold the bat like a man with his stance. He looks like a fairy.

      • aceshigh11 - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:45 PM

        Get back to us when you win a second WS ring, Gomer.

        You’re one of those fans who act like you’ve personally helped to build the team.

        Don’t go full-scale Jared Lee Loughner on us now. We need your wisdom and insight, and they don’t allow internet access in maximum security prison as far as I know.

    • spindervish - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:44 PM

      Yeah, it’s not that big a deal. I’m much more concerned about Gonzalez in right. I hope they told him to take it easy out there…I don’t want to see any of that Aubrey Huff bellyflop shit.

      Frankly, this seems like a stupid idea. Gonzalez is far too valuable. If sitting one of Gonzalez/Ortiz means the Sox can’t score enough off Worley to overcome the 3-6 runs Lackey’s gonna give up, then so be it. I’d prefer the loss.

  6. drmonkeyarmy - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:39 PM

    Why do they have him playing right field? With the plethora of lefties the Phillies will be throwing out there tonight, left field would seem to be better for him. Furthermore, right field is the far more challenging corner outfield position at CBP.

    • Ari Collins - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:45 PM

      Yeah, he should probably be playing LF.

    • Jonny 5 - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM

      Yup, and Francona should know this.

  7. goredsoxnc - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:48 PM

    And I DO agree that LF would be a better place to put Gonzalez; FAR less challenging, IMO, and I have no reply for why the decision has been made to put him in RF.

    • spindervish - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:56 PM

      I can only speculate that it has something to do with him being more comfortable with that side of the field – angles and sightlines and whatnot. I seem to recall Millar playing a lot of RF in his day when not at first, even though he was a pretty awful fielder and slow runner. Moving 1B to RF and 3B to LF seems fairly commonplace (Ryan Braun, for example, or Pujols or Miguel Cabrera early in their careers, if I’m not mistaken).

  8. ta192 - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:53 PM

    This question has been nagging at me for years, ever since Papi came over to the Sox from Minn. When he was with the Twins, wasn’t he considered the DEFENSIVE option at 1st?????????

    • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:01 PM

      Yeah, but that was before he roided up.

      • halladaysbicepts - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:07 PM

        Good Doctor,

        The reason he never played in the NL is because he never, ever tried to make himself into any type of fielder. Never took pride in defense.

        Just roided up and tried to hit the ball as far as he could.

      • wlschneider09 - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:30 PM

        Nah, you’re wrong. He’s always been roughly the same shape. He wasn’t much of a defensive option at 1B, but he could hold his own (think Billy Butler). Kept getting hurt.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:32 PM

        I am wrong that the was juicing?

      • wlschneider09 - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:41 PM

        Couldn’t really say whether he was juicing or not. He’s always had that barrell chested spindly legged phenotype going since I can remember. Maybe he juices, maybe he’s just built that way. I would point out that there wasn’t a Bonds/Sosa like transformation.

        My point is he could play 1B respectibly, even with his barrell chest and spindly legs. But that was a good 10 years ago.

      • ta192 - Jun 29, 2011 at 5:26 PM

        Just glad to get a little confirmation that my memory hasn’t gone totally to crap. I remember thinking when they got him, “They already have a fielding 1b-man, what they need is one that can hit”,, boy, was I wrong about that one…

      • marshmallowsnake - Jun 29, 2011 at 6:53 PM

        Wait…did Ortiz tell you this Biceps? I doubt it.

  9. markcycy - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:07 PM

    This is just another reason that having a DH is a joke and all baseball fans should be offended that the sport we love allow people like Ortiz to hang around longer then he should. He actually sits in the a/c when his team is on a field that sometimes the temp could be over 100 degrees. Wonder why his legs are fresh towards the end of the year. Try playing the field on a normal basis and that will make a difference on your offensive numbers.

    • halladaysbicepts - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:10 PM

      Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!!!!

      Said perfectly. Big Papi=Big defensive liability who’s not a complete player.

      • marshmallowsnake - Jun 29, 2011 at 6:54 PM

        .990

    • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM

      I posted this quote above, but it would probably be more apt here. According to Cliff Lee, “In the American League, you’re a pitcher,” Lee said. “Over here, you have to pitch, hit and run the bases. I just think it’s fun. I feel more like a baseball player in the National League versus the American League.”

      • halladaysbicepts - Jun 29, 2011 at 4:15 PM

        Yeah, I saw it. See my response above.

  10. Craig Calcaterra - Jun 29, 2011 at 5:08 PM

    Bicepts: I’ve had it. I have tolerated your trolling well enough — longer than most people would have me do — but I am sick of your going after people and your rudeness when you’re called out on it. You are a classic dish-it-out-but-don’t-take-it poster and you add nothing to these discussions. Many believe, based on your appearances at other websites, that your sole purpose in life is to be a professional troll. I am coming around to that conclusion myself.

    Either way, you are no longer welcome here. I have banned your IP from commenting. While you may figure a way to work your way around that, I hope you get the message all the same.

    Good day, sir.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 29, 2011 at 5:14 PM

      There are other message boards other then this one? I would like to state for the record that the only baseball site on comment on is this one.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 29, 2011 at 5:16 PM

      Oh, can we work on getting an edit function for the posts…maybe only active for 10-15 minutes after one hits “post comment”. One of team specific soccer sites that I post at has that feature and it really adds something.

      • ta192 - Jun 29, 2011 at 5:29 PM

        Second the motion…

      • Ari Collins - Jun 29, 2011 at 6:30 PM

        I don’t think you can do that in WordPress. If that’s true, they’d need to completely switch platforms to make that feature available.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 29, 2011 at 6:38 PM

        Ari,
        Oh, I see. I know very little about such things. I just assumed that it would be a fairly easy website modification. Apparently not, though.

    • Ari Collins - Jun 29, 2011 at 5:18 PM

      Plus One Gabajarillion. Give or take a Silmarillion.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 29, 2011 at 5:23 PM

        Ari,
        I’m perplexed by your comment. Is this a new language you created? I can surmise that you are happy to see ‘Bicepts go, which is cool….your jargon is just confusing.

      • Ari Collins - Jun 29, 2011 at 6:40 PM

        No, those are not real numbers. Just being my usual goofy self.

      • FC - Jun 30, 2011 at 3:46 PM

        Silmarillion however, is a Tolkien novel.

    • marshmallowsnake - Jun 29, 2011 at 6:57 PM

      Darn…this means he will not get to see the fielding troll bait that I left for him in the comments above…

      I do applaud the move though.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 29, 2011 at 7:07 PM

      I’ve been giving it some thought and I have mixed feelings about the banning. On one hand, ‘Bicpets clearly goes to far in the personal insults and whatnot. Healthy debate is one thing but is should never devolve into petty insults all the time. I can see once and while if one gets carried away but not consistently. On the other hand, I feel like there should be a form of progressive discipline. Perhaps there is and I am unaware, but I’ve never been informed of it. You know, like first offense a written warning, second offense a week long suspension, etc. I will not pretend to know the details of the situation, maybe previous warnings were given. However, to me, a flat out ban out of nowhere seems a bit harsh.

      • Utley's Hair - Jun 29, 2011 at 11:56 PM

        Craig did warn him at least once before—though I don’t know if it was before you started here or not. I seem to remember it might have had something to do with homophobic slurs, but I’m not sure.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 30, 2011 at 7:43 AM

        Oh, ok. It was probably before I started posting on here. Fair enough then.

    • JBerardi - Jun 29, 2011 at 7:42 PM

      Thank you.

  11. ltzep75 - Jun 29, 2011 at 6:20 PM

    Craig:

    You magnificent bastard!

    • ltzep75 - Jun 30, 2011 at 6:01 PM

      Why the thumbs down? You’re telling me there are three people here who liked bicepts? Or was it the use of “bastard”. If the latter, may I remind you that one of the most influential people in history was once given the surname “the Bastard” (but was subsequently given a much more grandiloquent replacement – which reminds me, he may have had the most impressive one year swing in nomenclature outside of Reggie Jackson changing the meaning of Mr. October, but I digress…).

  12. xmatt0926x - Jun 29, 2011 at 6:39 PM

    I started reading through the responses and it got to be too rediculous to continue. I just wanted to respond to the person who accused ryan howard of being just as “fat” as Ortiz. I am a phillies fan but I have no need to mindlessly rip an opposing player or defend a player on my favorite team. I think Ryan Howard is overrated and his contract is brutal so I’m not just trying to be an idiot fan in defending him. If anyone can watch the game tonight and look at both players and think that Howard is anywhere near as fat as Ortiz then your just not using your eyes or are too childish in defending your own player to be honest with yourself. Howard self-admittedly has a bad body for sure. He’s thick and bulky and could never be a lean muscle guy like Mike Stanton, etc., but he’s not fat anymore. He was at a time but he has gotten into better shape. Ortiz is fat and no, several national league teams would not have him on their team. He just can’t play the field on a consistent basis and to act like he could is rediculous. This is the reason that it’s such a story that he’s playing 1 friggen game tonight in the field. Hell, francona did a whole interview just on the absurdity of playing this guy in the field so if the actual manager of the team can say it I think some overly defensive fans of the Sox can admit it as well. Come back tommorow and throw the insults around like the idiots from both sides have on this post, but just watch them both tonight and see if you can honestly say that they are comparable in the field.

    • Ari Collins - Jun 30, 2011 at 12:00 AM

      I can agree with you on different physiques of Howard and Ortiz.

      But the issue tonight wasn’t Ortiz, it was Gonzalez. In every year until now, Ortiz would play 2/3 of the NL games. They’d just rotate and give someone different a day off every day between 1B, DH, and 3B. So, for instance, last year it was Ortiz/Beltre, then Ortiz/Youk, then Youk/Beltre, because Youk could play 1st or 3rd and you had that flexibility.

      It’s possible that Ortiz wouldn’t be able to hold up physically at 1B (we have no way of knowing, since he hasn’t had to do it since he had knee troubles with the Twins), but assuming he could play every day, he would definitely play for most NL teams.

    • cba456 - Jun 30, 2011 at 1:35 AM

      I agree with (almost) everything you say. I wasn’t really making any comment about howard, I think he’s a fine first baseman (certainly better than ortiz), and he’s worked hard on maintaining himself. I was responding to bicepts “mindlessly rip[ing] an opposing player” by calling him a fat load. Which is just not true.

      As stated numerous times in this thread, the issue is not Ortiz at first base. He’s passable. He’s been doing it in small doses for years. It’s moving Gonzalez to right that is scary. I disagree with most people here, though, in that I think the red sox should try it a couple of times during the year to see how it goes in case they go to the world series.

  13. cur68 - Jun 30, 2011 at 8:03 AM

    I stayed away from reading this post because I knew what the comment section would be like. Couldn’t sleep last night, had nothing else to do, so I finally gave in and read this one. Boy. Did I miss nothing. Nothing until the 5:08 mark that is.

    Then, not unlike an Angel appearing and taking Vernon Wells away from the Blue Jays, a Calcaterra appeared and took a troll away. It’s going to be a bit more quiet around here, but I expect he’ll be back sooner or later, dragging his knuckles, and drooling insults and intolerance everywhere.

    What kills me though, is how ‘bicepts can get banned and the likes of purdueman & sasquash20, and certain others can keep on dripping all over the place. I’m not calling for a ban on everyone I disagree with (all pie lovers, non-DHers, adversaries in the AL Beast, and posters who hurt my feelings, *sniffle*, would be gone then). Just the racists and intolerant a-holes. The trouble when you are self-proclaimed lefty-centrist with an open mind and a ‘tolerance for all’ attitude is that you have to put up with people like that to a certain point. I hope that point is soon for you Craig. I’m certainly past it.

    With all that said, how ’bout those Phillies, eh? The VW Bus beat the Beavermen’s division rivals. Ha, ha, haaaaaa! Now go for the sweep, little Phillies, go for the sweep. Then tank for the weekend. Tank hard.

  14. Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - Jun 30, 2011 at 4:36 PM

    I can’t believe I went and got drunk and left this commentary. Ihad no idea!!!! Craig Calcaterra is my mothableeping hero.

  15. Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - Jun 30, 2011 at 4:37 PM

    I can’t believe I went and got drunk and left this commentary. I had no idea!!!! Craig Calcaterra is my mothableeping hero.

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