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Yankees fans: this is why we all hate your team

Jun 29, 2011, 8:25 AM EDT

The Yankees fan base -- at least insofar as their views are reflected by John Harper of the Daily News -- are baseball's version of Veruca Salt.

OK, maybe “hate” is a strong term, but there’s a reason why people get all bent-out-of-shape about the Yankees, and stuff like this is the reason:

And yes, we know what you’re going to say: “it’s Harper and the Daily News and they’re full of it.”  Well, be that as it may, the reason they’re allowed to be so full of it like this is that this particular brand of full of it sells a lot of papers because it reflects the opinions of a great many Yankees fans.  If you’re more reasonable than that, wonderful. But realize that you’re in the minority.

  1. bigxrob - Jun 29, 2011 at 8:34 AM

    This is my favorite par of the article “depending on what the Yankees and Red Sox do in October”. I didn’t realized they already made the playoffs.

    • kopy - Jun 29, 2011 at 8:59 AM

      The day that the Yankees and Red Sox both miss the playoffs is the day that ESPN pays both teams to have a best of 7 series just for the hell of it. Although the MLB Playoffs will still be broadcast on FOX/TBS, ESPN will pretend they aren’t happening and give exclusive coverage to “the greatest rivalry in all of sports”. The winner will get a sweet trophy and more “This is SportsCenter” commercial cameos.

      • bigharold - Jun 29, 2011 at 11:12 AM

        “…ESPN pays both teams to have a best of 7 series just for the hell of it.”

        You say that like it would a bad thing.

  2. tinker61 - Jun 29, 2011 at 8:35 AM

    I totally disagree with your “minority” remark. I think most Yankees fans, me included , are knowledgeable enough to know the Yankees don’t NEED Prince Fielder. What they NEED, is to move the young stud pitchers up, or get a top of the rotation left hander.

    • Manni Stats - Jun 29, 2011 at 8:54 AM

      I get that you guys could use an arm (could, not necessarily need), but why a “top of the rotation left hander” specifically? WTH is CC Sabathia?

      • tinker61 - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:04 AM

        Because another top of the rotation, NOTICE I didn’t say ACE. He would slot in the three hole behind Sabathia and Hughes to balance the Rotation. To Answer your question, CC Sabathia is an ACE, not just a “Top of the Rotation” pitcher.

      • kopy - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:12 AM

        Who are you talking about? Unless you’re getting Cliff Lee or Cole Hamels, there isn’t a left-handed starter in MLB better than Sabathia. There’s Clayton Kershaw or David Price, but even if they Yankees actually acquired one of them. I don’t think they would replace Sabathia at the top of the rotation.

      • kopy - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:14 AM

        Never mind, I see what you’re saying. The “top of the rotation” thing threw me. There are plenty of #3 southpaws, but they aren’t getting a left-hander better than C.C.

      • Manni Stats - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:18 AM

        Tinker, that’s just meaningless anecdotal distinctions. Just say you need another quality pitcher. And why does it need to go “lefty – righty – lefty” at the top of the rotation? If you acquired a pitcher better than Phil Hughes, regardless of handedness, I’d pitch him in game 2, because I want to figure a way to give more innings to my best pitchers.

        “Ace” and “Top of the Rotation” are synonymous to some fans, and as in your case, distinct to others. Ultimately they are meaningless – what matters is that the Yankees could use another plus starter to help eat innings down the stretch and (hopefully for Yankees fans) into the playoffs. Is all.

      • uwsptke - Jun 29, 2011 at 3:55 PM

        #3 starter is “Mid” rotation, not “Top” of the rotation.

    • marks23 - Jun 29, 2011 at 10:09 AM

      Yeah, the minority remark is kind of strange. Even assuming every single reader of the Daily News is reading primarily for the sports section and agrees with their opinions, daily circulation of the News is something like 550K. That’s nothing close to a majority of Yankee fans, living in NYC or otherwise.

    • bigharold - Jun 29, 2011 at 11:11 AM

      Yankee fans know they don’t need or want Fielder, .. they want Pujols. And, he’ll look good in pinstripes too!

  3. itsacurse - Jun 29, 2011 at 8:43 AM

    Pssh, why get Fielder when you could reanimate Lou Gehrig’s corpse?

    • Glenn - Jun 29, 2011 at 8:47 AM

      -with stem cells!

  4. proudlycanadian - Jun 29, 2011 at 8:45 AM

    The New York media is a big reason why fans of other teams hate the Yankees.

    • paperlions - Jun 29, 2011 at 8:56 AM

      Yankee fans are a bigger reason, mostly…because there are more of them….and as Craig stated, if the fans didn’t eat up that kind of stuff, they wouldn’t always write it.

      • bigharold - Jun 29, 2011 at 11:30 AM

        “….and as Craig stated, if the fans didn’t eat up that kind of stuff, they wouldn’t always write it.”

        Horsepucky! All fans tend to lust after other teams players so that is nothing new. That began the moment that free agency was adopted by MLB. It will stay that way until the MLPA losses their collective minds and gives back free agency.

        The media in most other towns don’t write about it as much because if you a covering the Royals or Pirates and started openly suggesting that their teams are looking to sign a big FA your employer would insist that you be drug tested.

        And, exactly how is that any different than the RS media/fans talking for about a year and a half about getting Gonzalez from SD?

        There is a significant percentage of baseball fans that hate the Yankees for their resources and their success. By extension they hate Yankee fans too. We get it, it comes with the territory. But, remember what they really hate is that their teams aren’t as resourceful or successful. Or, as in many cases it just an owner, who are generally successful businessman in other areas, running their baseball team like just another of their businesses. They want to see the profit at the end of the year and aren’t all that concerned about reinvesting back into the team.

  5. sdelmonte - Jun 29, 2011 at 8:50 AM

    I’ve seen the same logic applied to the idea of getting Jose Reyes. I think the Yankees have some of device that will allow them to play two players at the same position at the same time.

    • yankeesfanlen - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:21 AM

      Have you been snooping around the sub-basement again?

      • sdelmonte - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:27 AM

        I seem to remember making plans for that, but there’s this huge gap in my memory. Funny that.

  6. phukyouk - Jun 29, 2011 at 8:51 AM

    Snozzberry? whats a snozzbearry?

    • lampdwellr - Jun 29, 2011 at 8:59 AM

      We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.

      • ditto65 - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:08 AM

        A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.

      • cur68 - Jun 29, 2011 at 10:21 AM

        Don’t talk to me about a man’s being able to talk sense; everyone can talk sense. Can he talk nonsense?

      • phukyouk - Jun 29, 2011 at 10:24 AM

        who says i cant? the man in the funny hat.

  7. Professor Longnose - Jun 29, 2011 at 8:55 AM

    Well, what fun is it crushing teams whose fans don’t hate us?

    • kopy - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:00 AM

      You play for the Yankees?

      • Professor Longnose - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:53 AM

        No, I identify with my team. It’s fun. It beats going around and trying to belittle fans of other teams.

        What team do you root for?

      • kopy - Jun 29, 2011 at 10:09 AM

        That’s ironic. If publicly posting “Well, what fun is it crushing teams whose fans don’t hate us?” isn’t trying to belittle fans of other teams, I don’t know what is. Talk about putting yourself on a pedestal…

        My favorite team is the Minnesota Twins.

      • sportsdrenched - Jun 29, 2011 at 10:16 AM

        Yep, you can’t say “we” when referencing a team unless you actually play for that team. You’re not putting in the work. You’re not actually playing.

        However, You can say “we” in reference to yourself and other Yankee Fans. example: “We Yankee fans have a bad reputation of being pompous and totally out of touch with the rest of baseball”

        And I root for the Royals. What are you gonna do? Tell me my team sucks? Mighty tough to offend a Royals fan.

      • Professor Longnose - Jun 29, 2011 at 11:02 AM

        I wasn’t trying to belittle fans of other teams. I posted that in response to the original post, which was not only trying to belittle me, but telling me I should be judged by what every NY newspaper writer writes. If you write obnoxious things about people, then you can pretty much expect them to be obnxoious back to you. (And I don’t mean you, necessarily, I mean CC.)

        You’re lucky. The Twins are a great franchise. They had great teams in the 60s, they had great teams in the 90s, and they’ve had great teams recently. They’re very well run. Before the season started, I thought they might not be as good this year as they have been because they have lower-quality filler than they used to, too many low-OBP guys. And the injuries have really hurt them. Still, they had a good streak and might get back into it. Even if they don’t, I expect it won’t take them long to rebuild.

  8. itsacurse - Jun 29, 2011 at 8:55 AM

    “Why build one when you can build two at twice the price?” – The old guy in “Contact”

    • sportsdrenched - Jun 29, 2011 at 10:17 AM

      Old Gator?

      • Professor Longnose - Jun 29, 2011 at 11:08 AM

        No, I’m not going to tell you that the Royals suck. I might mention that I’ve read a lot about the Royals over the years because such tremendous writers have been fans of the teams. I read Bill James, Rany Jayazerli, Joe Posnanski, and Rob Neyer regularly, and I’ve come to think of them as the KC Brigade.

        Also, the impressions I had of teams when I started to follow baseball tends to stick with me, and when I started following baseball, the Royals were great. I remember the teams of George Brett, Hal McRae, Willie Wilson, Paul Splitorff, Freddie Patek, etc, when they were the Yankees’ big playoff rival.

        Besides, the Royals have a great farm system and if Dayton Moore can stop signing over-the-hill guys who can’t get on base, they’ll probably be contenders in 2012 or 2013.

  9. pisano - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:00 AM

    tinker61…. Your right on target , the pitching is what they need, not Prince Fielder. While I wish Tex was a little more consistent at the plate(BA wise) he’ll suffice. Another lefthander in the bullpen and possibly in the rotation and you can ask for your series tickets.

    • pisano - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:02 AM

      Sorry, meant You’re, not your.

  10. paperlions - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:02 AM

    At first, I was upset at the slam on Veruca Salt….but then I realized that you meant the spoiled bratty kid, not the awesome rock band.

  11. nyystadiuminsider - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:03 AM

    What the Yankees REALLY need is to sign Albert Pujols.

    Stupid John Harper – never TRULY has his finger on the pulse of the fan base.

    /Trollin’ like John Harper
    // Just gave Calcaterra an idea for his next blog post…

    - Ross
    @StadiumInsider

    • yankeesfanlen - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:26 AM

      Are you Cephster? Great tweets!

      • nyystadiuminsider - Jun 29, 2011 at 7:44 PM

        Nope. I’m @StadiumInsider.

        @Cephster is someone else named Ross

  12. aceshigh11 - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:15 AM

    The Yankees should sign BOTH Pujols and Fielder, and platoon both of them alongside Teixeira.

    That would be AWESOME.

    • proudlycanadian - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:20 AM

      I wonder what the Luxury Tax would be in that situation?

      • aceshigh11 - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:45 AM

        Good question, ha.

        You’d figure that a couple of lunatic signings like that would add around $40 to 50 million to their payroll per year.

        Sometimes I wish Old Man Steinbrenner was still alive in control of his faculties.

      • yankeesfanlen - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:45 AM

        Less than we can afford.

      • cur68 - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:56 AM

        Big George still around and compos mentis and The Universe would have BOTH Fielder & Jose Reyes by now. He didn’t hang on sentiment or mess around when it came to talent.

  13. nyyyankeefan - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:18 AM

    Come on Craig, I think calling the reasonable ones in the minority is a bit much…just look at the poll results that are with the article

    http://www.nydailynews.com/nydn/poll.do?pollCmsUniqueId=20110629_fresh_prince_of_the_bronx&pollTitle=Fresh+Prince+of+the+Bronx&pollQuestion=Should+the+Yankees+try+to+acquire+Prince+Fielder+even+though+they+have+Mark+Teixeira%3F&voteExpirationDate=&option_labels=Yes%2C+you+should+always+try+to+add+a+big+bat+like+that%3BNo%2C+the+offense+is+fine%2C+they+need+to+focus+on+getting+pitching%3BThey+should+only+bring+him+in+if+he+wants+to+play+for+a+discount&20110629_fresh_prince_of_the_bronx=2&vote=vote

  14. Kevin S. - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:19 AM

    Craig, Harper’s getting killed in his comments. Just because a columnist pens something doesn’t mean the majority of the fanbase agrees with him.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:45 AM

      I think Craig likes to punish himself, it’s the only justification he has for constantly reading the NYPost/DailyNews. I stopped getting angry at the Ian O’Connors/Wally Matthews of the world when I stopped reading those publications, and subsequently stopped reading most of espn.com

  15. yankeesfanlen - Jun 29, 2011 at 9:43 AM

    For corn’s sake, Craig starting this BS so early in the morning.
    A couple of days ago, Chris Fiorentino was busting uyf for using “the injury excuse”, uyf said find it, and Chris couldn’t and apologized. Some guys around here have heard me B&M too, but it’s about on-the-field play or rejoicing at people we DON”T have available.
    So this was on my mind- Why do we get pegged this way? And then I look at the Record and here’s Pete Caldera headlining something about “Injured Depleted Yanks Come Through”. So it’s pervasive that Yankees fans are known by the headlines of the New York press.
    Stop propagating this nonsense, Craig. Harper and Lupica are over-the-hill headline hounds. Harper is probably spiking Lupica’s coffee so he can be King Asshole.Even post-mortum Lupica’s aroma will cling like the Meadowlands.
    The other point being, there’s lots of good Yanbks blogs like Jason’s and RAB, TYA, and beat writers such as Feinsand who more accurately represent “:TRUE YANKEES FANS”.

  16. screename529 - Jun 29, 2011 at 11:07 AM

    Anything written by Wally Matthews, Ian O’Connor, Harper, Marchand, Lupica, or King should never, ever, ever be pointed at as something that’s supposed to represent any sane person. Yes, there are plenty of idiots in the Yankee fan base. Isn’t that true about any fan base? It’s probably close to the same percentage of the total fans. I’m sure there’s Cardinals fans somewhere saying “Pujols has shown he can play 3B, let’s re-sign him AND sign Prince.”

  17. spindervish - Jun 29, 2011 at 11:07 AM

    Uh…is it really so ridiculous to suggest the Yankees could use a beast at DH instead of their current “rotate the old men” plan?

    Clearly all reasonable people hate the Yankees and their fans’ sense of entitlement (both to championships and to other teams’ good players), but is this example really that bad?

    • Kevin S. - Jun 29, 2011 at 11:11 AM

      And what happens when A-Rod can’t play third anymore?

  18. Chris Fiorentino - Jun 29, 2011 at 11:13 AM

    I don’t hate the Yankees fans. I hate the Yankees. Yankees fans don’t bother me when they want all the good players. Shit, I would take Pujols or Fielder on the Phillies in a second and I have Ryan Howard at first base. Couldn’t one of them learn left field and Ibanez is done after this year anyway? Why would something like that make people hate a team and/or their fans?

    What REALLY bugs me is what len says in his post above…a headline like this is so stupid it is beyond comprehension…

    ““Injured Depleted Yanks Come Through”

    Seriously? Jesus Christ any Yankee fan who thinks they are “depleted” by injuries is living on Mars.

    • yankeesfanlen - Jun 29, 2011 at 11:30 AM

      Chris, thank you for echoing my point. These drive-by headlines are taken as representative of Yankees fans, while they’re really of Yankees MSM, particularly the tabloids. The NYT doesn’;t go nutsy they just report on-the-field and whatever they legitimately turn up from sources.

      And as far as fans demanding the best players for the Yankers, there’s no older news than that.

    • solidzac - Jun 29, 2011 at 1:35 PM

      I’m not sure I’d say “depleted,” exactly, since it’s not like we can’t even field a full starting 9 or something, but you do realize that we have some injuries, probably a bit more than normal, right?Jeter, Hughes, Colon, Soriano, Chamberlain, Feliciano (if you want to count a guy who never actually threw a pitch), and nagging injuries to Rodriguez and Martin constitute a nice little chunk of players, especially to the rotation and bullpen. Again, would I say that the Yankees are dropping like flies? No, but it’s not nothing.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Jun 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM

        Again, it is insane that I have to explain this but I’ll try a new approach. The Yankees have a core group of important players…every team has them. Some teams have 1 or 2…some teams are lucky enough, and spend enough money to have 7 or 8…like the Red Sox, Phillies and Yankees.

        Here are the Yankees core everyday lineup, in no particular order, with the # of games missed…I won’t even look at whether it was just a day off or an injury…doesn’t matter with numbers this low…
        Cano – 1
        Tex – 1
        A-Rod – 5
        Granderson – 0
        Swisher – 4
        Gardner – 1
        Posada – 14
        Jeter – 15
        Martin – 17

        Of those 9, only Martin missing the games he has missed really means anything. As any Yankees fan would say, Jeter’s injury was a blessing and Posada has stuck all year supposedly anyway…according to Yankees fans. Their TOP SEVEN has missed a TOTAL of 12 games. That’s INSANE health halfway through the season. INSANE.

        Now to the “depleted” rotation. If you want to hang your hat on a 38 year old guy who was out of the league for pretty much 3 years, pitching well all season and staying healthy, then you are stupid. Hughes had a 4.19 ERA last year, so Freddie Garcia has more than made up for him so you can’t use Hughes as an injury excuse. Soriano has a 5.40 ERA in the 16 games he pitched in…do you really want to mention his injury? As you said, Feliciano never threw a pitch so he doesn’t count since he only hurt the money side of things, and the money side of things is not an issue with the Yankees. I’ll give you Chamberlain, only because I think he is better than most Yankees fans think…but even HIS injury isn’t a big deal if you ask a lot of Yankees fans.

        Remember guys…QUANTITY does not equal QUALITY. Sure, the Yankees have had a lot of injuries. But nobody any good on the Yankees has missed any time. And to me, THAT is the question when asking whether a team has been “depleted by injuries”.

    • solidzac - Jun 29, 2011 at 2:48 PM

      Chris, you don’t seem to realize that I’m essentially agreeing with you that to use a term like “depleted” is an overstatement. But to say that “nobody any good has gotten hurt” is just silly. Just because they have a lot of good players healthy doesn’t mean nobody’s gotten hurt. And regardless of whether someone like Colon could or should have been expected to get hurt doesn’t mean he wasn’t the second best pitcher in the rotation when he did.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Jun 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM

        “But to say that “nobody any good has gotten hurt” is just silly. ”

        Really? Name me one guy who is any good who got hurt? And please…for the love of God and unicorns, do not say the 38 year old Bartolo Colon, who was having an OK year, but you couldnt possibly have expected him to continue to stay healthy and pitch well, could you? Jeter and Posada? Bleh. Hughes? 4.19 ERA. Soriano? 5.40 ERA. The one guy I will give you who is hurt and doesn’t suck is Joba…and even he is called the “Fat Toad” by Len, who is a true Yankees fan.

        I stand by my notion that nobody any good has gotten hurt for the Yankees.

    • solidzac - Jun 29, 2011 at 8:07 PM

      Jesus Christ. Colon’s “okay year” included a 3.10 era and a 72/18 k/bb ratio in 78.1 innings, good for an era + of 132. Sabathia, who I presume you consider “any good,” has an era + of 126 this year. If you’re going to preclude people from being “any good” right off the bat, then no, I can’t name anyone.

  19. spudchukar - Jun 29, 2011 at 11:46 AM

    Can a second DH for every team be far behind?

  20. marshmallowsnake - Jun 29, 2011 at 12:06 PM

    If you ever are in need of comments for your blog, just post a entry on the Red Sox vs Yankees…that always tends to bring out the haters.

    • ta192 - Jun 29, 2011 at 2:28 PM

      Or, you could bring up the DH, Pete Rose’s HOF suitability, whether ‘roids really help you hit the curve ball, or maybe, just maybe, there are a shitpot load of haters out there just waiting to take a shot at something or someone…

  21. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jun 29, 2011 at 12:06 PM

    If they are going to go this route, they should at least get the best DH available in Pujols. Why be only half-way ridiculous when you can go all in?

  22. APBA Guy - Jun 29, 2011 at 12:40 PM

    This is pretty funny in the sense that the article is designed to attract eyeballs the same way Craig’s treatment is designed to attract page views. Imagine how many comments he’d have if the headline were:

    “A’s Fans: This is why we hate your team.”

    Me and Scatterbrian would be the only comments.

    So don’t take it too seriously.

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