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Phillies pitching coach doesn’t want Roy Halladay starting All-Star Game

Jul 4, 2011, 5:51 PM EDT

Roy Halladay AP

The way it works in All-Star Games these days is that the starting pitcher throws two innings, while everyone else throws one at the max.  For that reason, Phillies pitching coach Rich Dubee doesn’t want to see Roy Halladay start for the NL squad.

As Dubee told the Philadelphia Inquirer:

You’re looking at a guy that’s leading the league in innings pitched by a pretty good size. I don’t know that you can deny [the starting job]. It would be an honor. But at the same time, this guy is taking on a big workload again, like he always does. We’ll wait and see what happens.

Halladay didn’t sound particularly excited about starting either:

Obviously you go there to pitch and that’s the main idea, but there are definitely other guys that are worthy of it. Whether they ask me or not I don’t know. The only thing I always try to keep in mind is how is this going to affect me going forward? Obviously starting you have to pitch longer than if you come in later. Not that it’s always in your control, but it’s just things you consider and you talk over with the staff here.

Anyway, it sounds like the Phillies as a whole would be just fine with Jair Jurrjens or even one of the Giants pitchers getting the start.

  1. drmonkeyarmy - Jul 4, 2011 at 5:57 PM

    I agree with the Phillies and Dubee on this topic. However, they need a real pitching coach. It is amazing how many of their pitchers get problems sorted out by either Dannys Baez, the AAA pitching coach, or other pitchers on the staff. You never hear of Dubee fixing things. In fact, you usually hear of Dubee mocking the ideas that the pitchers come up with. Poor Kyle Kendrick is scared to death of him. Whenever Dubee visits Kendrick on the mound it looks as though he wants to rip off Kyle’s arm and beat him with it.

    • ditto65 - Jul 4, 2011 at 8:57 PM

      It is pretty sad that they have to keep Baez on the roster to do the pitching coach’s job. Cholly must owe Dubee a favor, probably something to do with rum running or numbers or ponies…

      • ditto65 - Jul 4, 2011 at 9:56 PM

        Unless you are thumbs downing my grammar/punctuation, I don’t understand.

      • ditto65 - Jul 5, 2011 at 7:57 AM

        So Baez’s 2-3 record with 1 blown save and a svelte 5.35 ERA are the reason they keep him around?

  2. proudlycanadian - Jul 4, 2011 at 6:10 PM

    Lets have one of the Giants start the game. After all, they won the World Series.

  3. spudchukar - Jul 5, 2011 at 1:21 AM

    Do you not know how hollow assertions like these ring to teams that do not have the luxury of 160 mil dollar payrolls?

    • smokehouse56 - Jul 5, 2011 at 5:45 AM

      Or being sold out for the last 4 million games? I’m 73 and I love what’s going on in Philly right now. I never thought I would see this coming. Sorry, your comment rings hollow.

  4. 12strikes - Jul 5, 2011 at 7:56 AM

    “You’re looking at a guy that’s leading the league in innings pitched by a pretty good size.”

    Well… Dubee…. It’s not the fan’s fault that
    1. You and Cholly are scared of Doc and won’t take him out
    2. You and Cholly are scared of the Bull Pen.

    Dubee and Cholly sit by while Doc goes out and pitches an 8th and 9th inning up by 5 runs and never say anything at the end of the game about “leading the league in inning pitched”. The phillies have the best pitcher in baseball, for that price you have to allow him to pitch the first 2 in the allstar game.

  5. bleedgreen - Jul 5, 2011 at 9:12 AM

    Would Bochy (or Sabean tell Bochy to) make him the starter just to try and wear Halladay down for when they may possibly meet in the playoffs? They seems vindictive like that.

    • 12strikes - Jul 5, 2011 at 9:26 AM

      Is 2 innings going matter in Oct?

      • bleedgreen - Jul 5, 2011 at 10:34 AM

        Maybe, probably not. But it can’t help, can it?

    • bigdicktater - Jul 5, 2011 at 7:53 PM

      Relax Giants fans. I’ve already emailed Sabes and Bochy and Roy will be pitching into the 7th inning, longer if he has a no hitter going, OK?

  6. Jonny 5 - Jul 5, 2011 at 9:39 AM

    Seriously? 2 innings at the most? It’s Roy Frickin’ Holliday here people. If Charlie hasn’t blown his arm completely off yet he’ll be fine. How about for his next start you lift him after the 7th instead, to make up for it ?

    • macjacmccoy - Jul 5, 2011 at 1:29 PM

      God I hate modern day baseball and baseball fans when it comes to pitching. Blow his arm off? He pitches every 5th day and he averages a little over 7 innings per start. You guys act like thats so much work and the guys being abused. Roy wants to be out there. Hes a professional and trains to be able to pitch that deep into games. 50 years ago Roy would have been in the middle of the pack in innings pitched. Throwing a 150 pitches a night didnt seem to hurt there careers so whats the difference now. Men didnt get weaker since then they got stronger. So whats the problem?

      I dont think it has anything to do with pitchers not being able to handle it anymore. I think it has more to do with unions and agents wanting more money. If starters went deeper there would be less need for relievers. Which would reduce the amount of pitchers a team needs and the amount of money they would pay to the pitchers they did keep. Thats less money for the unions and less clients and money for the agents. Its not like other sports where the money would just be funneled to different players bc of salary caps and bottoms it would essentially be lost to every except ownership. Obviously they dont want that so what do they do? Make it so more players are needed by creating something called pitch count. And complain about over use and abuse when a pitcher is made to pitch over a certain number. The more they talk about it the more its written about in papers and after a while people stop forgetting its bs and actually start to believe it.

      • FC - Jul 5, 2011 at 4:15 PM

        “50 years ago Roy would have been in the middle of the pack in innings pitched. Throwing a 150 pitches a night didnt seem to hurt there careers so whats the difference now.”

        50 years ago the mound was 5 inches higher (for a total of 15) if you don’t think that makes a difference, you don’t know much about pitching mechanics, slopes and how the height of the mound can enhance angle and performance of a pitch with less effort.

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