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The Cardinals might consider trading Colby Rasmus

Jul 12, 2011, 10:00 AM EDT

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For the past couple of years we’ve heard of Colby Rasmus‘ trade demands and various bits of discontent.  In response, the Cardinals and their partisans have — wisely — noted how silly it would be for the Cards to consider trading a young, cheap, talented and potentially elite centerfielder like Rasmus.

Is that sentiment starting to change? Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch thinks it’s a possibility:

Mozeliak turned down inquiries on Rasmus late last season and during the winter when teams seized upon reports of the player’s repeated trade requests and his differences with La Russa. Now, with Rasmus on the cusp of arbitration and showing only halting development, the organization might reconsider its stance.

There is no shortage of clubs who would be interested in Rasmus if he was, in fact, available. And of course, you get the sense that Rasmus — or at least his father — would be pleased with that too.

Oh, speaking of his father, if I’m not mistaken, he has shown up in the comments here at HBT again, appearing to talk himself up in the third person in Drew’s post from yesterday, under the name of “trasmus3.”  That’s not weird or anything.

  1. cintiphil - Jul 12, 2011 at 10:11 AM

    I don’t think the Reds want him. If they do, I am not going to another game.

    • metalhead65 - Jul 12, 2011 at 10:56 AM

      don’t worry phil he is to young for walt to try and get. see he only goes for guys like renteria and edmonds. washed up former cards who played while he was in st. louis. besides even if the reds could work a trade for him Dusty would not play him because he believes in that veteran leadership somebody like ludwig would bring. now that is a ex-card they would be interested in since he is over 30 and will be a free agent at the end of the season. well worth trading young the young talent they have in the farm system. see they have their own young player who they refuse to play everyday in Heisey because he has started 20 games and not put up all star numbers which proves he is not ready.

      • thefalcon123 - Jul 12, 2011 at 12:06 PM

        Jim hit .276/.342/.504 last year in his role as a backup outfielder. Those numbers would have been pretty good for a starter. As a fourth outfielder, what more could you have asked for? How is that “washed up”? That’s called your job very well.

      • metalhead65 - Jul 12, 2011 at 12:22 PM

        falcon, how many games did he play for the reds and what were his stats for them? before he blew out his Achilles on a home run trot?then he blames the reds medical staff because at 50 years old or however old he is he can’t play anymore? just what you expect from a former card, a whiny classless little bitch!

      • Nick C - Jul 12, 2011 at 12:29 PM

        metalhead – he just posted the stats. Are you daft? Class? That’s a funny word from a fan to the team that employs Cueto the Kicking Coward.

      • metalhead65 - Jul 12, 2011 at 1:04 PM

        yea john c calling a guy surrounded by your boys and pinned up against the wall a coward is a typical classless call from a cards fan. the reason the reds fans and everyone else hates your team is because they are whiny bitches when things do not got their way. when you are in first place you do not hear a peep,lose to the reds and the mound isn’t right or the baseballs are scuffed or the smoke from fireworks are distracting or arroyo is putting something on the ball. nobody else in the league ever made any of those complaints but you guys. oh wait I forgot our ‘ace” reliever threw inside and hit king albert on purpose in a game earlier this year to right? even though in so doing he brought up the hottest hitter in the league at the time. did I miss the reds whining and crying when your pitcher hit the reds catcher and knocked him for the rest of that series? face it they are whiny bitches.

      • spudchukar - Jul 12, 2011 at 1:35 PM

        Hey Metalhead, your comments sound an awful bit like a 4th place whine, from a team that you guaranteed wouldn’t have to worry about the Cards in 2011. You are looking up at the Pittsburgh Pirates!, and sit 2 games under .500, with a closer, who you championed that is imploding, a starting staff that compares to the worst in baseball, and team searching for a shortstop and left fielder and a bullpen that has logged more innings and is already beginning to show it.

      • Nick C - Jul 12, 2011 at 2:39 PM

        metalhead – you never actually watched the video of the fight did you? Cueto was surrounded by REDS not Cardinals. Also, Cueto ran around the back of the pack of people to try and get some cheap shots in. Thus he put himself in that position. Furthermore, you didn’t see Carpenter who was also pinned against the wall/netting kicking with weapons like a little girl. Cueto is a coward pure and simple. He should have been prosecuted for kicking with metal cleats in a crowd. There is absolutely no defense for his cowardly actions.

      • metalhead65 - Jul 12, 2011 at 2:40 PM

        no spud I never said any of those things. if by championing my closer you mean defending him against stupid and ignorant rants of whiny bitches then yea guilty.go ahead and try and deny your boys said the things I posted, you can but you would be lying as carpenter and st. tony said all them.

  2. Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - Jul 12, 2011 at 10:13 AM

    trasmus3, how does your son feel about playing for the Braves? I’m betting they’d be glad to have him assuming he comes fairly cheaply. Also, which is your favorite type of cheese?

    • paperlions - Jul 12, 2011 at 10:19 AM

      Har har…..don’t you also need to know if Colby (can’t believe his middle name isn’t Jack) prefers pie or cake? And, if he considers cheese cake to actually be pie and not cake?

      • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - Jul 12, 2011 at 10:28 AM

        Unlike many on here, I am sure that Colby is a good ballplayer with a very bright future, no matter what his daddy tells ya. I would definitely love for the Braves to pick him up on the cheap, whether he loves the pie, the cake, or just hates sweets altogether. I’m not even sure there’s actually a better fit for Rasmus than ATL.

    • Nick C - Jul 12, 2011 at 11:26 AM

      How about Rasmus/Boggs for Beachy/Sherril?

      • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - Jul 12, 2011 at 11:47 AM

        I’ve heard Beachy trade rumors, but I hope they don’t. I think he has a brighter future than just about anyone in baseball.

      • Nick C - Jul 12, 2011 at 12:27 PM

        You’ve got to give to get. Your Bravos need offense, a CF and a bullpen arm to take the stress off Venters/Kimbrel. My Cards need a SP and LOOGY. Bravos would get two cost controlled players to the Cards one. Furthermore, you have Teheren or Minor to plug in. Cards aren’t taking Lowe off your hands, Hanson is probably untouchable and Jurrgens/Hudson aren’t moving either. Seems Beachy is the chip if you want additional offense. Since this has been floated…who would you rather have? Rasmus or Carlos Quentin. Seems like an easy decision to me.

      • spudchukar - Jul 12, 2011 at 12:35 PM

        I actually believe Rasmus/Boggs/Brown(Brown is a right-fielder, with above average speed, defense, and arm who is tearing up AAA, .324/.412/1.000 with 14 HRs and 45 RBIs in only 216 ABs) would make a sweet trio for a young developing team like Washington or Atlanta. Tyler Greene might also be available. However, teams are going to have to do better than Beachy/Sherril. More likely Beachy/Ventor at least.

      • Nick C - Jul 12, 2011 at 12:47 PM

        spud – I know you are a fan of the Cards so you have to know that Greene has zero trade value and Brown is not really a “prospect” despite the AAA production. Beachy is a very good young pitcher. You will NOT get Venters/Beachy together. Venters is entirely too valuable to the Braves. The Braves do have pitchers who can slide into Beachy’s slot though. And they do need offense and a CF.

        Washington is another possibility but they would have to give up Jordan Zimmerman and that is unlikely. The key to any Rasmus deal is the Cards getting a cost-controlled young pitcher. With large payroll commitments in 2012, the Cards will not give up Rasmus for anyone high priced. His cost controlled years will have to be matched in any trade. That is why you won’t see the Cards trade him for something stupid like Bell/Bartlett.

  3. trevorb06 - Jul 12, 2011 at 10:22 AM

    I’d like to see the cards spite him and ship him off to the Padres where his offensive numbers will fall faster than Tony Rasmus’ legitmacy in talking about baseball.

    • paperlions - Jul 12, 2011 at 10:25 AM

      If the Cards trade him…I want them to get maximum value. Colby seems like a good kid, I hope he becomes a star, if not for StL, then for someone else….he has a lot of talent and I like watching good baseball. Of course, the fact that Colby comes with trasmus probably decreases his trade value (above and beyond the hit his value takes for his apparent lack of mental toughness).

      • trevorb06 - Jul 12, 2011 at 10:38 AM

        Pads have young talent they could trade… Just saying.

    • b7p19 - Jul 12, 2011 at 11:21 AM

      The Padres are actually very high on Maybin, but I could see them interested in Rasmus also. There has been talk of them shipping Ludwick off for a better defender/on base guy. Also, there has been talk of a Bartlet and Bell to the Cards trade for prospects. Rasmus could be included in some way in that one.

      • paperlions - Jul 12, 2011 at 11:44 AM

        Bartlett (who sucks) and Bell (who will be a FA) would not be nearly enough for Rasmus, despite his warts and intermittent struggles.

  4. halladaysbiceps - Jul 12, 2011 at 10:23 AM

    This is facinating. I have not been paying attention to the Rasmus saga. I just read the prior Drew Silva thread that Craig linked above and this is a laughable story. This father is nuts. No wonder this kid is screwed up at the major league level at this point. After reading everything about this, I can only assume that the Cards want to divorce themselves of the father for the good of the Card’s organization.

  5. trevorb06 - Jul 12, 2011 at 10:37 AM

    Craig, you should allow Biceps to let Mr. Hyde out on trasmus3 just because that’d be so entertaining. Just once. :-)

    • halladaysbiceps - Jul 12, 2011 at 10:58 AM

      Yoda once said to the bicepts:

      “Once bicepts start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will…”

      • trevorb06 - Jul 12, 2011 at 11:18 AM

        This isn’t Star Wars Dr. Jecktyl. :-)

  6. trevorb06 - Jul 12, 2011 at 10:48 AM

    I’m waiting to see Tony and Colby on the same stage… it’ll be interesting once people start chanting ‘Maury! Maury! Maury!’ and Colby starts to tear up.

  7. Andrew - Jul 12, 2011 at 12:21 PM

    It might actually be a great idea for the Cardinals to give Tony a job offer and see if his knowledge just might compare with or improve on the level already in place.

    That’s (allegedly) from Tony Rasmus’ comment on the Rasmus piece yesterday. Anyone think he’s just jealous because Dave Duncan got to coach with his son Chris Duncan for 5 years?

  8. Old Gator - Jul 12, 2011 at 12:23 PM

    Colby Rasmus is the next Jeff Francoeur!

    • Old Gator - Jul 12, 2011 at 12:25 PM

      Hey – I spelled it right. But that doesn’t means I don’t need an EDIT FUNCTION!

      • Old Gator - Jul 12, 2011 at 12:26 PM

        Damn! That doesn’t mean I don’t need an…

        Edit function!

        Edit function!,/b>


      • Old Gator - Jul 12, 2011 at 12:27 PM

        Double damn!

        Edit function!

      • macjacmccoy - Jul 12, 2011 at 1:04 PM

        Not to sound like a dick but have you guys ever thought of, you know, reading your post before you post it?

        I think that would be a lot less labor intensive and time consuming, and just cheaper to do then Craig having to pay some programmer to add an edit function to every comment.

      • FC - Jul 12, 2011 at 1:18 PM

        Fair point. But considering that many, many, MANY other sports blog incorporate an editing function for their comments, are you trying to tell it’s that hard to do and labor intensive?

      • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - Jul 12, 2011 at 2:03 PM

        “…Craig having to pay some programmer to add an edit function to every comment.”

        HAHAHAHA, I find this scene extremely funny for some reason. First off, this is a third-party host, thus if this host can’t handle an edit function, you get another one. That said, wordpress was just rolled out for this blog last fall sometime so a change is highly unlikely. Second, I’m sure Senor Calcaterra is not paying out of pocket for anything related to this blog. The thought though, is hysterical. Craig! Pay that nerd his dues so we can get that EDIT FUNCTION!

    • flavius217 - Jul 12, 2011 at 1:15 PM

      Nah… Rasmus at least understands the concept of talking a walk.

      • spudchukar - Jul 12, 2011 at 2:02 PM

        Nick C, kudos on a number of valid comments. But I will quibble some. Greene is an enigma. He has great speed, occasional pop, a strong arm and good range, but he has not been able to put it together and would only be an add on to any deal. Brown is a bit of a late-bloomer, and watching him play was a validation for me. To be honest, I am not sure he should be moved, and definitely not just as a throw-in. His primary problem is that he has Allen Craig in front of him. You are correct that he wasn’t a AAA prospect, but neither were Jay, Craig, or Freese and they have blossomed.

        Forget Sherrill, we have two similar old lefties in Miller and Tallet, and they throw more strikes. Beachy is indeed an intriguing carrot the Braves can dangle and with Minor et al is expendable, but in order to get an everyday CF with Rasmus’ credentials the Bravos must include someone young, awfully good and inexpensive as you indicated. I too doubt that Ventors would be available. St. Louis really isn’t in dire straights with their starting staff, and with a Wainwright return on the horizon, bullpen help and a defensive SS may be a more desirable need. Re-signing pending free agents after a partial season in St. Louis is a trait the Cards have mastered, so I doubt if Bell’s status would negate a deal and while Bartlett is nothing to brag about he is adequate at SS, and can still run, and their are not alot of other options.

  9. cptnew1 - Jul 12, 2011 at 1:10 PM

    This reminds me a little of Andy VanSlykes situation when he was in STL. Got labeled a malcontent, didn’t get along with the manager (Whitey), got shipped out of town and had a pretty good career after that. He won a couple of silver sluggers if i’m not mistaken. Not saying that Colby would wind up the same, but sometimes the change of scenery seems to help.

  10. spudchukar - Jul 12, 2011 at 1:18 PM

    Hey trasmus3, using coach of Little League World Series Championship as credentials to vie against Major League instructors is like arguing the guy who changes oil at Jiffy Lube is entitled to Nobel Prize in Quantum Mechanics. Get a clue. Let’s review. Manager Tony LaRussa, 2nd most victories in Major League History. Hitting Coach Mark McGwire 583 HRs, lifetime .982 OPS. St. Louis Cardinals, 2nd most World Series Titles by a franchise. St. Louis Fans and Media, arguably the most supportive, knowledgeable, understanding group in MLB. Versus You, and your Little League and High School trophies.

    Plus you are the parent of one of the most talented least polished players in MLB history. This leads me to believe either your son, never listened to a word you said, or your teaching skills are limited. Your son seldom knows which base to throw to, which ball in the outfield he should make an effort to catch, how to get a jump on said ball, how to utilize his speed on the bases, when to bunt, when to coax a walk(not in a crucial 2-out situation), how to hit to the opposite field, the importance of making contact in certain 2 strike counts, and that he is in the best situation he will ever be in, in his baseball playing life.

    As you may have noticed the Cardinals have another option in Centerfield by the name of Jon Jay. He does not have your sons’ raw ability. He doesn’t have his power, speed, size, or swing. But he does have one more HR (7-6) and the same number of steals (5) in about 2/3 the playing time. He also sports a .304/.329/.742 line vs. your son’s .246/.329/.742. Defensively, the comparison is even more stark. Jay gets a great jump on the ball, allowing him to play shallower where he gets to bloopers with a combination of skill and will, and he not only knows how many outs there are, but which base his more accurate throws should go to. Incidentally, we are in a pennant race, with 3 other pretty good teams. Potential does not win ballgames. It is becoming clear that the Red Birds chances of winning are better when your son is riding the pine, watching his less gifted counterpart, make diving catches, dashing around the bases and producing timely hits.

    Hey Pop, these are the realities. It might be too late for Colby in St. Louis, but when you have his goods, the chances are many. Before it is too late, let him go. Your time is over.

    • Jonny 5 - Jul 12, 2011 at 1:29 PM

      Hey potatobirdbrain, Right on.

  11. rogagrant1 - Jul 12, 2011 at 5:11 PM

    Could the Giants be a dark horse candidate to acquire Rasmus? They need more offense and a future center fielder (since Torres/Rowand aren’t cutting it). And they have 6 viable starters if you count Jonathan Sanchez. Would a package built on Sanchez and last year’s #1 pick, CF Gary Brown, get it done?

    • cintiphil - Jul 12, 2011 at 7:53 PM

      Oh please don’t mention it. If anyone gets the idea, it may happen. We might be facing a Cain or Wilson on the redbirds. That’s all they need. Then we may as well all pack up the central and give it to St.Louis.

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