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David Ortiz, Kevin Gregg get four-game suspensions; others disciplined for Orioles-Red Sox brawl

Jul 14, 2011, 3:40 PM EDT

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Major League Baseball has issued suspensions as a result of the ugliness between the Red Sox and the Orioles last week.  It breaks down as follows:

  • David Ortiz and Kevin Gregg each have received four-game suspensions and undisclosed fines for their plunkings and fisticuffsmanship, such as it was;
  • Mike Gonzalez gets a three-game suspension and an undisclosed fine for intentionally throwing at Ortiz after warnings had already been issued earlier in the game.
  • Buck Showalter has received a one-game suspension and an undisclosed fine for the intentional actions of Gonzalez during Sunday’s game. Which is a nice way of saying “Showalter probably ordered that crap.”
  • Jim Johnson and Jarrod Saltalamacchia got fines “for their aggressive actions” when the benches cleared.
  • John Lackey was disciplined for intentionally throwing at Derrek Lee. Doesn’t say what his discipline was, though maybe it was just a reprimand. Poor dude has no idea where the ball is going as it is, so maybe it was an accident.

These are your sentences, gentlemen. And may God have mercy on your souls.

  1. spudchukar - Jul 14, 2011 at 3:49 PM

    Of course there will be appeals, which leads me to something a REAL commissioner ought to do at least once. After the appeals hearing INCREASE the suspension. ‘Ortiz, I decided originally to just give you an equal 4 games, even though part of me thought you deserved more. But now that you have the nerve to appeal, consider the suspension 8 games.’ Only in my dreams.

    • Ari Collins - Jul 14, 2011 at 3:52 PM

      a) 4 games is pretty standard. Why would Ortiz deserve more?

      b) It would be stupid of him not to appeal. Why would he decide to miss more games than he has to?

      If you think players should get longer suspensions than they do now, the solution would be for them to just increase the penalties.

      • randomdigits - Jul 14, 2011 at 3:55 PM

        Ortiz moved toward the mound twice, he should get a couple of extra days tacked on for it.

      • Ari Collins - Jul 14, 2011 at 3:57 PM

        I don’t think you get suspended for moving towards the mound.

      • randomdigits - Jul 14, 2011 at 3:58 PM

        He should have been thrown out of the game for leaving the batters box and moving toward Gregg to begin with. The commissioner has leniency in punishments, how else do you explain Gregg getting suspended for hitting someone when he didn’t you know, hit someone.

      • eddyjf - Jul 15, 2011 at 7:48 AM

        Ortiz got 4 games because he was in the way of the pitches thrown at him. Those were beyond brush back pitches.

    • hystoracle - Jul 14, 2011 at 4:06 PM

      Suspensions are light because deep down the league loves this stuff. It gets people talking about the sport and garners attention. People love a good fight – bench clearing episode. Same reason they are probably encouraging the umpires to chase after managers & players to start arguments. It’s much needed Drama for a game a some Americans are starting to find slow & dull.

      • obpedmypants - Jul 14, 2011 at 9:49 PM

        wow. you guys are really missing the point of that post. given that it’s 4 lines long, i think you should just dedicate an extra minute to actually reading the post, rather than just clicking the dislike button over and over.

        he’s talking about reigning in on the borderline abuse of MLB’s appeals process which is absurd. what’s the point of even issuing a suspension if it automatically goes to an appeals process anyway, and that process never has any negative consequences to the player? he’s not saying to increase penalties for fights. or in ari’s misinterpretation, he’s not talking about just suspending ortiz more.

      • spudchukar - Jul 15, 2011 at 1:26 PM

        Thanks, leave it to skin-thinned Red Sox fans to make it personal.

  2. bigxrob - Jul 14, 2011 at 3:51 PM

    Lackey’s discipline is that he has to make his next start.

    • Ari Collins - Jul 14, 2011 at 3:54 PM

      He’s been pretty good in his last few aside from one terribad outing.

      But I still laughed.

      • uyf1950 - Jul 14, 2011 at 4:43 PM

        Ari, actually it’s 2 good outings in his last 4 starts. His line for each start:
        July 9 : 6 2/3 innings, -0- ER, 7 K’s, 1 Walk – Good Outing
        July 4 : 2 1/3 innings, 7 ER, 2 K’s, 0 Walks – Bad Outing
        June 29 : 7 2/3 innings, 2 ER, 5 K’s, 1 Walk – Good Outing
        June 24 : 3 1/3 innings, 5 ER, 4 K’s, 4 Walks – Bad Outing

        About the best thing you can say about Lackey is he’s consistently inconsistent. If the pattern holds up is next start doesn’t look like a good one.
        This year he’s make AJ Burnett look like an ace…and yes that is just my opinion.

        Good luck when the season resumes for the Red Sox on Friday.

      • Ari Collins - Jul 15, 2011 at 1:34 AM

        Haha, selective memory for the win.

  3. randomdigits - Jul 14, 2011 at 3:53 PM

    So Sox pitchers hit 4 O’s and they don’t get suspended and Gregg and Gonzo get suspended when they didn’t hit anyone.

    Doesn’t that seem a bit odd?

    Doesn’t make sense for Gregg to get suspended at all considering that he 1- didn’t hit anyone 2- Ortiz charged him twice.

    • Ari Collins - Jul 14, 2011 at 3:56 PM

      Mike Gonzalez was clearly throwing on purpose, and after warnings were issued.

      Gregg was clearly trying to hit Ortiz, even if his control sucks. What’s more, he instigated the fight.

      I feel like there was a Sox pitcher who was clearly trying to hit an Os pitcher that weekend too, but I can’t remember who. He should probably get a suspension too, though.

      • randomdigits - Jul 14, 2011 at 4:01 PM

        Gonzo deserved it I agree, but if Gonzo gets it so should Lackey for hitting Markakis and Lee.

        Gregg was NOT clearly trying to hit Ortiz. If he was why did he grove the fourth pitch of the at bat down the middle of the strike zone? Why did he STOP throwing at it?

        Gregg was trying to move Ortiz off the plate, pure and simple.

      • Ari Collins - Jul 14, 2011 at 6:12 PM

        Lackey clearly just sucked. He wasn’t trying to hit Markakis or Lee.

        Pretty much everyone who’s no an Os fan, and many Os fans, agree that he wasn’t trying to move him off the plate. He was trying to hit him, and, in true Kevin Gregg form, couldn’t. (And, in true Kevin Gregg form, got pissed about it.) But you are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

      • randomdigits - Jul 14, 2011 at 8:44 PM

        Then once again why was the fourth pitch a strike? Why would he stop trying to hit Ortiz with the last pitch?

        Also Lackey was clearly throwing at Lee, just as Gonzo’s pitch was inentional.

      • pookiepez - Jul 15, 2011 at 5:16 PM

        gonzalez definitely deserved his suspension for throwing behind ortiz. that was obvious. lackey is just inconsistent.
        gregg should not have been yelling at ortiz like he did. he instigated the whole thing.

    • Paul White - Jul 14, 2011 at 3:57 PM

      So screaming at a batter one pitch after warnings have been issued, getting tossed by the ump for that action before any fisticuffs ensued, then throwing punches during the melee and chatting up the press later about how the Ortiz had it all coming = no suspension in your book?

      Um, huh?

      • randomdigits - Jul 14, 2011 at 4:03 PM

        If Ortiz charged you you would not defend yourself? And no, yelling at an opposing player should not be a suspension, an ejection sure not a suspension. Find me a quote where he said “Ortiz had it coming”.

        I agree Gregg’s payroll comments were stupid but stupid isn’t worth a suspension either.

      • cur68 - Jul 14, 2011 at 5:21 PM

        Seriously, Gregg is doing all of the AL Beast (aside from the Sox of course) favour by getting Oriz suspended like this; its the only way to stop the guy. If he’d managed to draw Adrian Gonzalez into the scrap and have him sit a few then he actually deserves to have the Yankees, Rays and Blue Jays pay his fines. This marks the first occasion that I can recall where Kevin Gregg accomplished something in the AL that didn’t assist the team he was competing against. In fact, KG sitting a few actually has the net effect of getting the Orioles a bit better, too. Way to go KG: you finally did something good for a team.

  4. anybodyinhere - Jul 14, 2011 at 4:14 PM

    Hey, I’m just glad to finally see some fight in the Orioles, “such as it was”. I’ve had to watch too many years of their version of the old “roll over and play dead” dog trick.

  5. viewsfromseat13 - Jul 14, 2011 at 4:23 PM

    So the closer for a last place team is suspended for four games that he wouldn’t pitch in anyway… while the starting dh for a 1st place team is suspended for four games. They aren’t the same suspension.

    • grumblygus - Jul 14, 2011 at 4:32 PM

      Maybe Ortiz’s punishment should be getting a Massage in the clubhouse, because they’re in first place and all.

      Greg should be tied-up and hit with a bat, since the Orioles are in last.

      That would be the same punishment.

    • clydeserra - Jul 14, 2011 at 4:51 PM

      You are right. Pitchers suspensions are typically longer because of the way they are used.

      But in this case, I think its the league saying Ortiz deserves more punishment because he escallated the to violence from brush backs and yelling.

  6. fruitlandgenericcitizen - Jul 14, 2011 at 4:36 PM

    A BOSTON player starts all this nonsense with walking out of the batter’s box during an at-bat to scream obscenities at a pitcher, BOSTON hits two Orioles in Saturday’s game with none of their own hit with no recpercutions, BOSTON hits three Orioles over the course of the weekend, and BOSTON leads the American League in batters hit, yet the Orioles garner three suspensions to BOSTON’S one and BOSTON’s manager escapes scrutiny yet again despite his team’s beanball shenanigans. Yeah, that makes sense. If you’re a Boston fan, maybe.

    Orioles got screwed by the commissioner’s office, again.

    • royhobbs39 - Jul 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM

      When you write or type a city name, you only have to capitalize the first letter, not the entire word. Or get your shift lock key looked at. It may be stuck?

    • randomdigits - Jul 14, 2011 at 6:11 PM

      4 O’s got hit, Markakis and Lee by Lackey (no suspension) Reynolds and Vlad by the Sox rookie pitcher (no suspension but I doubt intent on his part much like Guthrie).

      Also please someone explain why Francona didn’t get suspended but Showalter did? You really think Gonzo needed orders to throw at Ortiz?

  7. uyf1950 - Jul 14, 2011 at 5:37 PM

    MLB disciplinary actions are a joke. A suspension or fine is handed down the player appeals it and it is reduced. This is probably a question no one has the answer to but I would be curious to know if in the last 5 or so years MLB has ever given out a suspension to a player that has not been reduced upon appeal?

  8. boxchain has a loose changeup - Jul 14, 2011 at 6:17 PM

    I’m trying to figure out why Buck gets a suspension. All I can come up with is it’s punishment for continuing to put Gonzalez on a pitcher’s mound, but really that’s on MacPhail.

  9. tuftsb - Jul 14, 2011 at 6:32 PM

    Do you think Buck still feels the rest of trhe AL East is afraid of the Orioles?

    • randomdigits - Jul 14, 2011 at 8:46 PM

      Show me the quote where he says that.

  10. atworkident - Jul 15, 2011 at 1:39 PM

    Franconia didn’t get suspended? I thought that was an automatic suspension from MLB?

    Did they change the rules for this series? What am I missing here? Showalter is probably thanking MLB for not making him watch from so close. How long until he goes crawling (running) back to ESPN?

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