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Tigers, Braves discussing trade involving Derek Lowe?

Jul 16, 2011, 8:53 PM EDT

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The Braves have a six-game lead in the National League Wild Card and trail the Phillies by only three games in the National League East, but they may be open to dealing a prominent member of their starting rotation before the July 31 trade deadline.

According to Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com, the Tigers have approached the Braves about acquiring veteran right-hander Derek Lowe. And Atlanta’s front office may be ready to listen.

The Braves have one of the top rotations in the majors and possess great pitching depth in the minor leagues. They can get rid of Lowe, who has registered an underwhelming 4.30 ERA in 20 starts this season, and get equal — if not better — production from Julio Teheran or Mike Minor down the stretch.

Atlanta’s preference is to acquire a major league-ready right-hitting outfielder by the deadline, but Morosi says the organization may be content with dumping salary and netting young talent in a deal involving Lowe.

Lowe, 38, is making a whopping $15 million this season and is owed another $15 million in 2012.

  1. tgifinley88 - Jul 16, 2011 at 9:29 PM

    Brennan Boesch and a mid level prospect for Lowe?

    • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM

      Only if the Braves eat the salary which they won’t do. Honestly, I think they would virtually give him away if the Tigers take on the entirety of his salary.

    • ryanherrington - Jul 16, 2011 at 10:41 PM

      I would take that deal 100 times out of 100.

      Heck, I’d take, Boesch for Lowe straight up. You can keep your prospects!

      And I might even give you a mid level prospect if you’ll take Lowe’s salary too!

    • tgifinley88 - Jul 17, 2011 at 12:09 AM

      yeah i should have included that it would be expected that atlanta would eat some salary. and yeah army it seems atlanta is WAY more interested in clearing the money than getting back good players, they just want that deal to go.

  2. bigleagues - Jul 17, 2011 at 12:53 AM

    So, Derek Lowe, at ages 38 and 39 combined, is due to make TWICE as much money as Greg Maddux did at ages 38 & 39 (which was only in 2004 & 2005) with the Cubs – the Braves elected to not extend him after picking up the 2003 option for $14.7 Mil. Overall, Maddux earned $38M from Age 36-39, while Lowe will have pulled in a cool $60M.

    Strangely enough the much less accomplished Lowe signed a 4-year/ $60M deal with the Braves in 2009 at age 36.

    Me thinks the Braves are overwhelmed with joy at the prospect of moving on from Lowe.

    Check out what Maddux did from Age 36-39 versus what Lowe has done so far from 36-38:

    MADDUX
    ————-
    Year Age Tm W L ERA GS IP H BB SO WHIP SO/BB Salary
    2002 36 ATL 16 6 2.62 34 199.1 194 45 118 1.199 2.62 $14.75M
    2003 37 ATL 16 11 3.96 36 218.1 225 33 124 1.182 3.76 $ 6.00M
    2004 38 CHC 16 11 4.02 33 212.2 218 33 151 1.180 4.58 $ 9.00M
    2005 39 CHC 13 15 4.24 35 225.0 239 36 136 1.222 3.78 $ 9.00M

    LOWE
    ———
    Year Age Tm W L ERA GS IP H BB SO WHIP SO/BB Salary
    2009 36 ATL 15 10 4.67 34 194.2 232 63 111 1.515 1.76 $15M
    2010 37 ATL 16 12 4.00 33 193.2 204 61 136 1.368 2.23 $15M
    2011 38 ATL 5 7 4.30 20 113.0 115 41 81 1.381 1.98 $15M
    2012 39 ??? $15M

    ** Both tables are courtesy of Baseball-Reference.com.

    The Win totals are pretty close for the 1st and 2nd season, but really it’s not even close who the better Pitcher is. Maddux accumulated a WAR of 10.3 over those 4 seasons. Lowe is currently at 2.6, with less than a season an a half to go until his age 39 season is complete.

    All this is a just illustrates a good rule of thumb. It’s better to take a chance on a 1st ballot Hall of Famer with a tremendous track record of durability and performance, than to pass on him and over-compensate a few years later by over-paying for a slightly above average Pitcher.

    • bigleagues - Jul 17, 2011 at 1:18 PM

      70% of Braves Fan not alive or conscious enough to witness Maddux’ brilliance disagree.

  3. bigleagues - Jul 17, 2011 at 1:04 AM

    OK, sorry the gobbledy gook – ‘pre-formatted text’ tables from baseball-reference.com WILL work in these forums.

    The other options will not.

  4. jwbiii - Jul 17, 2011 at 3:50 AM
    How does the (pre) tag look?

    How does the (code) tag look?
    How does the (tt) tag look?

    • jwbiii - Jul 17, 2011 at 3:52 AM

      I’d go with the (code) tag around a preformatted table, bl.

    • jwbiii - Jul 17, 2011 at 4:00 AM

      Actually, it probably wouldn’t work. It looks like blog software compresses multiple spaces. Maybe if you open a (code) block before you paste the table in you may have some success.

  5. bigleagues - Jul 17, 2011 at 4:37 AM

    jwbiii

    Thanks for the suggestion. I hadn’t even thought about that. I used the ‘Sharing Toolbox’ that’s built-in on baseball-reference.com to eliminate extraneous columns and rows. Then I took the edited table and exported to html , ‘pre-formatted text’ and bbcode . So it ended up being the pre (up above) that worked best from that lot.

    I’m not going to crazy with posting tables, but it would be nice to know what works. For one we don’t have a ‘preview post’ function and two I think having some references in the comments can add to the discussion.

    I’ve seen a few people embed video, so I should have thought of the code block.

    Thanks again!

  6. jwbiii - Jul 17, 2011 at 5:35 AM

    Eh, Lets try it.
    (code)
    Name BA OBP SLG
    Jose Bautista .336 .470 .701

    (pre)

    Name              BA   OBP   SLG
    Jose Bautista   .336  .470  .701
    
    • jwbiii - Jul 17, 2011 at 5:38 AM

      Ok, so (code) compresses spaces and (pre) does pretty much what is desired, but shortens the line.

      • bigleagues - Jul 17, 2011 at 1:16 PM

        Exactly what I had happen.

        Looks like Craig or Drew or someone removed the test posting I made.

        BTW, I think we should just keep experimenting with what works and doesn’t – as apparently a couple of people don’t like including stats to support their arguments. I LOVE those thumbs down!
        :-)

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