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So it seems that Derek Jeter was not rejuvenated by his 3000th hit

Jul 20, 2011, 9:15 AM EDT

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On the day Derek Jeter hit his 3000th — and went 5 for 5 overall — there were people who rushed to play the “See! Jeter isn’t done yet!” card.  Others, myself included, were skeptical, figuring that anyone with Jeter’s latent skills was capable of having a great day, but it’s not like one great day is a narrative-changer.

Seems the skeptics were right. As Joe Posnanski tweeted a few minutes ago, since that 5 for 5 day Jeter is 5-for-26 with one RBI. All five hits have been singles.  Then, a few minutes later, the inimitable Repoz reminded us once again that after Mickey Mantle had that 5 for 5 day in 1968 he went 2-for-24 with 0 RBI. Also all singles. He retired nine months later.

The difference of course was that Mantle, while no longer himself, was still a productive hitter, with the Year of the Pitcher masking his contributions somewhat. Meanwhile, Jeter continues to hit leadoff and, because of his contract, is not going anyplace.

  1. 18thstreet - Jul 20, 2011 at 9:19 AM

    The difference is that Mantle played before the players’ association made sure that contracts were guaranteed for more than one year. If Mantle had signed a three-year deal in his late 30s, he, too, would have hung on instead of retiring.

    • yankeesfanlen - Jul 20, 2011 at 10:47 AM

      Leave Mickey Mantle Alone!

    • jimbo1949 - Jul 20, 2011 at 12:16 PM

      Just a reminder, Babe had a 3 HR game a week before he retired.

  2. proudlycanadian - Jul 20, 2011 at 9:25 AM

    I cheered the feat, but the old timer tired himself out when he went 5 for 5. He needs a vacation on the bench. The Yankees play better without him in the starting lineup.

    • deathmonkey41 - Jul 20, 2011 at 10:18 AM

      Just curious- are you a Yankees fan? I always thought you were a Jays fan until recently.

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 20, 2011 at 10:21 AM

        I am a Jays fan. Some of my anti Yankee sarcasm may be missed because it might sound plausable to true believers.

      • deathmonkey41 - Jul 20, 2011 at 8:05 PM

        Nah, it just seems that the Yankee-hating edge to your comments has not been as harsh lately- like you’re happier. Have you seen the Phoebe Cates pool scene in Fast Times at Ridgemount High been on? That usually makes me happier.

  3. paperlions - Jul 20, 2011 at 9:30 AM

    Do people think that Jeter gave up his last chance to go to an AS game as a player or will Yankee fans continue to vote him in for the next 2 years while he OPSes .600?

    • clydeserra - Jul 20, 2011 at 10:03 AM

      If he doesn’t get voted in, the manager will put him on the roster in the last year of the contract.

    • gammagammahey - Jul 20, 2011 at 10:09 AM

      Right now, there isn’t another SS in the AL that draws widespread fan interest as much as Jeter does. Asdrubal Cabrera and Yunel Escobar are solid players but lack name recognition. Until someone else steps up as a dominant SS in the AL, Jeter will keep getting votes. Maybe if he’s hitting something like .210/.260/.250 in the first half of next year, people will really take notice and stop voting for him.

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 20, 2011 at 10:19 AM

        Cabrera and Escobar are much better than Jeter this season and should continue to be better in upcoming seasons. The Yankee hype machine is the only reason that Jeter was voted to the All Star team. He was wise not to play.

      • yankeesfanlen - Jul 20, 2011 at 10:49 AM

        There’s also a pretty good SS about 10 miles east of Yankee Stadium.

    • edpeters101 - Jul 20, 2011 at 2:47 PM

      What difference does it make, he won’t go anyway! Personally I think that if a player skips the AS game his AS bonus should be deducted and it plus an equal amount from his salary should go to low income kids free tickets..

  4. thefalcon123 - Jul 20, 2011 at 9:36 AM

    How little offense was there in 1968?
    Last year’s “year of the pitcher”, teams averaged 4.61 RPG (4.38 so far this year) compared for 3.42 in 1968.

    Mantle hit .237/.385/.398…good for a 142 OPS+!

    • jwbiii - Jul 20, 2011 at 10:00 AM

      Just for context: Last season, Robinson Cano, .319/.381/.534, Also 142

  5. purnellmeagrejr - Jul 20, 2011 at 10:01 AM

    ” Jeter continues to hit leadoff and, because of his contract, is not going anyplace.” Actually, because he’s Derek Jeter the contract is secondary – in fact, the only reason he has the contract is because he’s Derek Jeter..

  6. craigisbias - Jul 20, 2011 at 10:10 AM

    Of course you “were skeptical”. You clearly have something against Jeter. At least be honest about it.

    • bleedgreen - Jul 20, 2011 at 10:13 AM

      Speaking the truth, even when the truth is negative, does not equate bias. The guy is not playing well. Hell, Wilson Valdez had a 5 for 5 a few weeks ago. That doesn’t make him a super star. Jeter has lost a step (or more) and its biased to say otherwise. LOOK AT THE FACTS.

      • craigisbias - Jul 20, 2011 at 10:15 AM

        The facts speak for themself. Look back at the stories. This site is a joke now.

      • 18thstreet - Jul 20, 2011 at 10:28 AM

        Why are you here?

      • marshmallowsnake - Jul 20, 2011 at 1:13 PM

        where did the “ed” go on the bias handle?

    • Craig Calcaterra - Jul 20, 2011 at 10:15 AM

      I would invite you to use the search function in the upper righthand corner of the site and read every Derek Jeter article I’ve ever written. If you can find instances of me having some sort of personal animosity towards Jeter, by all means, show us, because I certainly can’t recall ever writing anything like that.

      If, however, you simply cry like a little girl when someone notes that your favorite player isn’t as good as you think he is, well, I can’t help you.

      • aceshigh11 - Jul 20, 2011 at 10:21 AM

        The ownage, it burns!

      • Charles Gates - Jul 20, 2011 at 10:21 AM

        Craig, you’re not being fair. You also have to point out that Jeter, by way of his knee getting all cranky and everything, is making the grounds crew aware of rain delays ahead of time.

      • 18thstreet - Jul 20, 2011 at 10:30 AM

        I’ve had just about enough of your attacks on my favorite player, too!

      • Ari Collins - Jul 20, 2011 at 10:53 AM

        You’re being mean. To little girls. Some of thems is real tough!

    • Utley's Hair - Jul 20, 2011 at 11:22 AM

      Okay. I’ll be petty, too. Your user name is grammatically incorrect.

  7. yankeesfanlen - Jul 20, 2011 at 11:04 AM

    More than ever before I can tell a casual Yankee fan by the scarlett “J” they wear on their chest. With the Metropolitans closing in on half a decade of mediocrity, there are many such instances around these parts.
    What we have right now is an introverted, territorial Norman Maine straggling around second base and dribbling ground balls to third because his leadoff assignment prohibits many men on base which let said attempt fail to produce a double play, for which he holds many records.
    Yankees should follow the axiom “Millions for defense but not a cent for Tribute”.
    I will now say emphatically and without remorse- Jeter, take your fifth curtain call and bow out with a shred of dignity..
    This isn’t personal (you had years of great performance), it’s strictly business.

  8. yankeesjetsknicksrangers - Jul 20, 2011 at 11:21 AM

    I can think of at least 4 big spots off the top of my head with guys on base that he came up very small with those patented soft grounders, and again last night with two on late in the game with another ready made chopper to first.

    This is starting to look like the A-rod watch of a few years ago, will we eventually hear the boo birds come out before he calls it quits? Karma …. it gets everyone eventually,

  9. cur68 - Jul 20, 2011 at 11:24 AM

    Man I miss Big George. I never thought I’d say this but I do. The demise of Jeter should not be played out in excruciating detail like this. He should have been severed from the team by the cruel but practical hand of a hard hearted owner, intent on winning NOW and never mind sentiment. Sentiment is for the weak. The masses. Not the Universe.

    Jeets should have been dealt rather than given a new contract, off to the Astros, or Padres or Marlins. Somewhere warm where his old bones won’t ail him, Minka won’t need much in the way of clothes and the team is juuuuuuust below the radar. There to finish up his career in obscurity, providing leadership qualities and GDP’s. There so that the blame for his fading career is blamed on Big George rather than Father Time and the luster of his greatness remains untarnished in the Newness of York. At the rate things are going for him currently he’ll booed off the field by the end of the season. And that’s just sad. A thousand orphaned kittens weep real tears at the thought. Or something.

    • yankeesfanlen - Jul 20, 2011 at 11:56 AM

      I’m very much considering a clandestine effort to achieve such. Carton of Marlboros, 3 quarts of libation of choice, strategically placed in an office within the Cathedral, home to a sometimes powerful heir.
      If you’d like to assist, please await my courier with the password “DJ3KXXXNoMoSS”

    • browngoat25 - Jul 20, 2011 at 12:48 PM

      Do you really think that George Steinbrenner (if he were alive and active as he used to be with the Yankees) would have let Jeter walk? I think the signing would have played out much as it did. It also seems more likely to me that he would have signed Jeter, and then crushed him in the press for every ofer…

  10. The Rabbit - Jul 20, 2011 at 11:26 AM

    This topic was covered earlier in the week.,20943/

  11. marshmallowsnake - Jul 20, 2011 at 12:40 PM

    Well, unless his teammates secretly injected him with some HGH or roids in the celebration huddle…did anyone really expect a 21 yr old Jeter to emerge?

    • ssazz - Jul 20, 2011 at 1:09 PM

      No, not at all. No one did. But just looking at it honestly ruins the fun/spite for some people. Apparently after the 5 for 5 day there were folks predicting that he was going to start hitting like 1998 or 2006 again. (I mean anyone saying “not done yet” in celebrating that he still had a day like that in him, must’ve meant he was going to sustain it for the rest of the season, right? That has to be the only way to read the “people” who made such a comment) I never saw any of these people who supposedly said this, and meant it as offering that Jeter was going to bat .340 the rest of the way, but hey there must’ve been a lot of them somewhere. I mean why else write an article debunking these unnamed people then?

      • marshmallowsnake - Jul 20, 2011 at 1:16 PM

        I do not think he is done…he still has some left in him. I think now that he has 3000, he can stop playing the field and maybe switch to being a primary DH…I bet that would rejuvenate him some. Plus, then the haters cannot say being a DH helped him to 3000.

      • ssazz - Jul 20, 2011 at 1:55 PM

        He has some life left ye, …but the player he was since about the all-star break last year to the break, and beyond, this year is the player he is. It’s not playing the field as of yet that is hurting the team, it’s the steep decline of his bat. We all know he never had great range, and he’s an older version of himself to boot, but having him as the everyday SS right now is not a problem for the team at all. He’s fine there. (especially if replacing him with Nunez means 4 errors a week) It’s where he bats in the order as the season goes on that is the question. He would really give you nothing as a DH because he hits for no power. Jorge or Andruw Jones can still hit ’em out once in a while, and we’ll see what bench/DH type of bat Cashman may still yet add. Going into next season though I think A-Rod is gonna see a lot more DH time (I see them eventually doing to A-Rod what they did to Posada, just tell him he’s done at his position whether he likes it or not) maybe Derek will as well, but again he’d be even less of benefit occupying that spot going forward. Against the conventional wisdom, I think he stays as pretty much the primary SS through the remainder of the contract, but just bats in the bottom of the line up. Sacrificing the offense from the DH spot or corner outfield spot just might not make sense. Leave him in the field and start worrying about how fast A-rods decline might be, get him in the DH spot as soon as possible.

      • marshmallowsnake - Jul 20, 2011 at 3:08 PM

        Agreed. I just think that if he stopped playing the field, the bat would increase a bit. And yeah, you are right, he would not be an awesome DH, but I think he would be OK.

        Now, I hope they keep playing him in the field and batting him high…but, I am a Sox fan, so that is just out of spite.

        You are correct on A-Rod too. That contract is starting to look like a bad idea.

  12. dirtyharry1971 - Jul 20, 2011 at 2:27 PM

    Granted i think Jeter’s best days are clearly behind him and he’s probably a .275 hitter now but i certainly didnt from that opinion over a 5-for-26 streak. LOL i mean Really?

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