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Two suspects arrested in Bryan Stow beating

Jul 21, 2011, 9:13 PM EDT

Image of Dodger Stadium beating victim Stow is shown on scoreboard before MLB National League baseball game between San Francisco Giants and St. Louis Cardinals in San Francisco, California Reuters

The Los Angeles Times is reporting that two suspects have been arrested for the Opening Day beating of Bryan Stow at Dodger Stadium.  Further, they are reporting that Giovanni Ramirez — who was a suspect and is still being held on a parole violation — has been exonerated in the attack.

The Los Angeles Police Department has not yet released the identities of the two men who were arrested, nor have they said what led them to look at them as suspects.  This is all information which should be scrutinized, however, given that L.A.P.D. officials had previous said that they were confident that Ramirez was their man.  For his part, Ramirez has had several family members and friends offer alibis on his behalf, and his attorney has waged a very public defense, insisting that Ramirez was innocent.

Obviously there will be more to come in the wake of this surprising development. We will update when more information is available.

  1. 5thbase - Jul 21, 2011 at 9:18 PM

    If they got the right guys I really hope these bums never get out of prison. Too bad it’s California and due to their inability to budget they’ll probably be out in a few years.

    • clydeserra - Jul 21, 2011 at 10:00 PM

      California has many problems with its budget, but their punishment will be set by the statute and will not be cut short because of financial reasons.

      If you are thinking of the recent calls to release non violent drug offenders, I assure you anyone convicted of this will not get that benefit. Not to mention that to my knowledge no non violent offender has

  2. clydeserra - Jul 21, 2011 at 9:55 PM

    This is why high profile cases are tough. The rush to judgement on Ramirez put a lot of pressure on the LAPD, they are lucky that they could old him on the Parole Violation, otherwise it would have been worse for him.

    Also, Kudos to the LAPD and prosecutors office for exonerating Ramirez if that is what they did.

  3. hittfamily - Jul 21, 2011 at 11:01 PM

    This is really troubling to me. It seems like with high profile crimes, many times an innocent person is arrested. Lives are ruined with their mugshots plastered everywhere. For me, it started with Richard Pearl and the Olympic bombings. He was a security guard helping to save lives, then finds himself the number 1 suspect with everyone in the country, if not world, knowing his face and name, believing him to be a terrorist. He died of a heart attack before his name was cleared.

    It then went to the LSU professor who was arrested and lost his job because he was believed to be the man who sent anthrax through the mail following the September 11 attacks. Again, his life was ruined as everyone believed him to be a ruthless terrorist.

    Next was the Duke kids, who were wrongly accused by someone. Fine, that happens all the time. What followed was a disgrace to the justice system. Perhaps, if they didnt have great lawyers, the police and DA would have succeeded in ignoring evidence clearing them of the crime.

    Now it is Strauss Kahn. Arrest now, question and investigate the person who has the ability to ruin his life later.

    Like it or not, Casey Anthony in on this list too. The police and DA convinced a nation she was guilty, but the jury disagreed. If, and a big if, but if she is not guilty, as due process found her to be, she will never blend in to society again. Her life will always be in danger, and she will never find work. She is a terrible person, who could care less that herchild was dead, but she was found not to be a murderer.

    Finally we can add Giovanni to this list. The police arrested an innocent man, then bragged how they had found America’s Most Wanted. His name and face were shown on everymedia outlet in America. They were wrong, and this man’s life has been changed forever. People on this forum as recently as yesterday have wished an innocent man “burn in hell”.

    Are the police inept? Is our freedom of press too overwhelming? How many people who are falsely accused sitting in jail right now because their public defender plea bargained? These are valid questions we the public should be asking, because what are the chances the police and prosecutors only ruin lives of the people falsely accused in front page stories. To me, there is no chance.

    • djpostl - Jul 21, 2011 at 11:36 PM

      Every single case you mentioned involved violent crimes. Would you rather they not arrest and leave a potentially violent criminal out to prey upon more victims?

      If the media runs rampant with the story and wreaks havoc on the person life that is unfortunate, but I for one don’t want our police investigations being determined by “how the media will treat this”.

      I feel tremendously for every single person you mentioned. But I am also aware that the police can only act upon the best information they have and what the media/common joe do with it isn’t their concern (and should never be).

      • hittfamily - Jul 21, 2011 at 11:43 PM

        “Would you rather they not arrest and leave a potentially violent criminal out to prey upon more victims?”

        Your arguement isnt a valid question because it has too few alternatives. The assumption that it’s many one none isnt logical. Like when Bill Oreilly used to ask people who wanted to leave Iraq “So do you want America to win or lose”. A community college class on logic would have taught him that question is not a valid one. I will attempt to answer your question nonetheless.

        Yes. An overwheming yes!!!!

        I would much rather have 1 guilty person on the street than 1 innocent person in jail.

        The justice system isnt blackjack. You cant “Double Down” and send away innocent people for long periods of time hoping one of them is a bad guy.

      • hittfamily - Jul 21, 2011 at 11:46 PM

        edit :
        many OR none

      • hittfamily - Jul 21, 2011 at 11:59 PM

        Another thing. Pearl, LSU prof, Duke kids, and Strauss Kahn, either never were arrested or made bail, putting them back out on the streets to commit more crimes.

      • jobooo - Jul 22, 2011 at 12:34 AM

        Not only are police investigations “determined by ‘how the media will treat this'”, they often rely on it. Do you think defense attorneys are the only ones who feed info to bottom-feeders like Nancy Grace?

      • bleedgreen - Jul 23, 2011 at 7:18 AM

        Ever heard of Blackstone’s Ratio?

        “better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer”

    • marshmallowsnake - Jul 21, 2011 at 11:38 PM

      Are the police inept? No. Unfortunately for innocent people, they are human and bound to make mistakes. Humanity is the great flaw in the system.

      • hittfamily - Jul 21, 2011 at 11:49 PM

        I would argue presenting evidence to the media that you are not ready to present a judge and jury is also a flaw. That flaw is correctable though.

      • marshmallowsnake - Jul 22, 2011 at 11:59 AM

        Exactly! What I was saying was that people feel pressure. They want to resolve things. These cops believed they had their guy, and probably felt pressure to stick with him. It happens all the time.

        Now, most of the time, investigators do find the truth because there is hardly ever a perfect crime, but unfortunately, people make mistakes, and innocent people go to prison. It is just how the system works.

      • hittfamily - Jul 22, 2011 at 3:08 PM

        Let them feel pressure they are adults, and should be trained for pressure. Bases loaded, 2 outs, guys feel pressure. I would hope by the time they reach the majors they have learned not to piss themselves. It is one thing to arrest Ramirez. It is another to leak his name and a pictures of a bloody jersey to the media, while suppressing a dozen witnesses that place him elsewhere. I know people desperately want this crime solved. Somebody is desperate to have every crime solved.

        In fairness, I have been falsely accused, and had my face plastered on the news. My senior year of high school, the after the last day for seniors, my buddies and I climbed a water tower next to the school and hung a banner. Seniors Class 2000!!! That same night, other seniors broke in and broke windows, drove cars over bushes, and did a lot of damage. Over 10,000 in damage. The story made the news. We had hung banners from that water tower for every football game and big baseball games, and everyone knew it was us. Fearing we would be blamed for crimes we didnt commit, we went to the principal the next day to explain. We were arrested by the school resource officer for trespassing on the water towers private ground, and later charged with vandalizing the school. Three of us were 18, and our yearbook photos made the news that night, and mugshots the next. A school security camera saved our asses, but not before pricey lawyers were paid, grandparents canceling trips because we couldnt walk with our class, and public humiliation were inflicted on us. There were no apologies or corrections in the news, and when the real culprits were found, the story was no longer news so the news ignored it. I have carried a grudge for false accusations ever since. We were guilty of trespassing on the water tower property, but the police and media were out for blood.

        My rant wasnt just about the police, but the media. They share blame in all of this. I don’t believe the police are inept, but both sides are out of control. These events have turned into shows….real life police dramas complete with celebrity status to be gained and fortunes to be made. In real life people get hurt. There was no reason to expose to the media any of these people, with the exceptions of Kahn and Anthony, as they appeared in court. Both sides do it with wreckless abandon, without fear of consequences. If someone comes forward tommorrow with absolute proof they killed Caylee, Nancy Grace will have made 10 times the amount off this case as she is required to pay in a libel suit to Casey. That wont happen, but an example.

    • mkd - Jul 22, 2011 at 12:46 AM

      I completely agree with your point, but feel obligated to note that Richard Jewell was basically exonerated by mid-1997 and completely/legally exonerated by 2005. He did not die of a heart attack before his name was clear. He died in 2007. The dude sued the hell out of everyone and everyone settled with him as fast as they could because they knew they had completely screwed up. That aside your point is thoroughly well taken.

      • hittfamily - Jul 22, 2011 at 1:43 AM

        Thanks for the update. Obviously I didnt research prior to posting. I ranted and shot from the hip. I must have mixed him up with someone else. Dont know where I got the name Richard Pearl from. Daniel Pearl maybe. Thanks for clarifying.

    • scottp9 - Jul 22, 2011 at 12:45 PM

      Fair point overall about the rush to judgment in sensational cases. I don’t think that the system failed just because an innocent person was arrested (as opposed to convicted) – indeed, that’s why we have a system to determine whether an accused is guilty – but lives definitely can be irrevocably changed by a false or unfounded accusation.

      It is not accurate to say that the Casey Anthony jury found her to be innocent, however. Rather, they did not find her guilty. That’s a big difference – in this, as in many cases, the prosecution failed to meet its burden of proof. Doesn’t mean the jurors didn’t in fact believe that she committed the crime. My suspicion is that they did.

      • hittfamily - Jul 22, 2011 at 2:25 PM

        Where in my speaking of Casey Anthony did I refer to her as innocent. I have copied and pasted, so you wont even have to scroll up. Please highlight where I say the jury found her to be innocent.

        “Like it or not, Casey Anthony in on this list too. The police and DA convinced a nation she was guilty, but the jury disagreed. If, and a big if, but if she is not guilty, as due process found her to be, she will never blend in to society again. Her life will always be in danger, and she will never find work. She is a terrible person, who could care less that herchild was dead, but she was found not to be a murderer.”

        If you are going to use my quotes to represent my argument to be inaccurate, please use correct quotes, and not what suits your narrative

      • scottp9 - Jul 22, 2011 at 4:28 PM

        Inartful phrasing on my part. I intended to convey that Casey Anthony wasn’t necessarily innocent just because she wasn’t convicted – hadn’t intended to (mis)construe your summary of the situation. My apologies – although I will plead not guilty myself to the charge of using your quotes to suit my narrative.

      • hittfamily - Jul 22, 2011 at 5:02 PM

        I have never heard any expert say the defense lawyers did a brilliant job. Prior to verdict, it was my understanding they were terrible. So if someone has terrible representation, going up against a prosecution with virtually unlimited funds to call in any and all expert witnesses, perhaps the DA should never have proceeded to trial. I didnt follow the case, and my limited knowledge of it is 10 times more than I care to know.

        The prosecution knew its burden, and it knew its evidence. The defense didn’t do anything remarkable, and yet it was an aquittal in near record time.

  4. hcf95688 - Jul 22, 2011 at 12:11 AM

    If Stowe had just kept his mouth shut – that is NOT POP OFF TO THE WRONG PEOPLE – his kids would still have a dad and innocent people wouldn’t be arrested.

    • hittfamily - Jul 22, 2011 at 12:20 AM

      You are a disgraceful human being. Take your hatred elsewhere.

    • royalsfaninfargo - Jul 22, 2011 at 12:44 AM

      That has got to be the most ridiculous thing I have read today. Its akin to saying a woman asked to get raped by dressing provocatively.

      • hittfamily - Jul 22, 2011 at 12:50 AM

        or a poster asking to bea banned for saying people deserve to die for rooting for the wrong team. Go fuck yourself hcf95688.

      • florida727 - Jul 22, 2011 at 7:39 AM

        “hittfamily”, you had me on your side and clicking thumbs-up buttons right up until the last sentence. Then you just became an @$$hole by lowering yourself to the other guy’s standard. Idiot.

      • hittfamily - Jul 22, 2011 at 7:43 AM

        As soon as I hit the button I regretted it. No edit button though. Sorry HBT community

      • Gobias Industries - Jul 22, 2011 at 8:02 AM

        But just to be clear, calling someone an @$$hole and an idiot are a-ok.

        Thanks for the morning cup of hypocrisy, florida727.

      • hittfamily - Jul 22, 2011 at 8:39 AM

        I wasnt going to point it out. Thanks for doing my dirty work Gobias. I certainly wasnt apologizing to someone who just cursed at me for cursing. I was apologizing to everyone else.

      • florida727 - Jul 22, 2011 at 8:44 AM

        In which case “hittfamily”, I sincerely retract my criticism of you. My apologies.

    • garlicfriesandbaseball - Jul 22, 2011 at 12:49 AM

      What did he say when he popped off? Just curious, since you seem to know more about this than anyone else. Really. What did he say?

    • ThatGuy - Jul 22, 2011 at 12:52 AM

      Curious to know how you know he popped off. I’ve followed this fairly closely and all i’ve heard is that he was wearing a Giants Jersey in Dodger Territory when the Dodgers lost. Unless you were there, and know he “popped off” you shouldn’t make wild accusations.

      • spc15 - Jul 22, 2011 at 1:19 PM

        I believe it was around last month that TMZ got ahold of a cellphone video that showed Stow having some words with a Dodger fan and he said something along the lines of he’d rather eat his own feces than a dodger dog. Did he deserve being beaten because of that statement? Absolutely 100% not.

        That being said, the day I heard the story break on the news I knew in my heart that this wasn’t the case of a Giants fan in the wrong place at the wrong time. The first thing I thought was “oh god, what did this poor bastard say?”. In NO way am I condoning ANY of the actions that took place that night. Those men that beat Stow are the very people I loathe. The losers that throw on a jersey and have no care to watch the game and ready for trouble to start. Plenty of people wear opposing teams jerseys and the most common response is booing, innocent enough and can be seen at ANY stadium. Fights aren’t uncommon, but it takes two to tango. Stow said things he shouldn’t have and that attracted the attention of the worst of people and now he and his family are suffering immensely because of it.

        I know I’m going to have people talk s#*t to me if I wear a Dodger t-shirt at any other stadium, and it’s happened every single time. I’m going into another team’s “territory”, it’s understood. And I know that being a young 5’1 woman isn’t going to garner any sympathy and I don’t expect it to. So I go to enjoy a game and mind my own business, and keep my mouth shut regardless of what’s said (and it can get pretty nasty). Trash talking is fun around friends and family but around complete strangers it can get carried away and taken way too far (as seen in this incident). People need to go to games with a better attitude and enjoy the game for what it is, not try and have a pissing contest with other fans over something they’re not even remotely involved in other than residing in a city.

        Regardless, Stow didn’t deserve what happened to him and the people who did this NEED to be punished. They didn’t become violent because of what Stow said, they were violent to begin with and I’m assuming took pleasure in that violence. My prayers go out to Stow and his family.

      • shandbi - Jul 22, 2011 at 2:11 PM

        Yes, TMZ did have some cell phone video of Bryan Stow in a jaw session with a dodger fan but c’mon, have you ever had a dodger dog? They are TERRIBLE. I mean, I wouldn’t rather eat my feces but I had my last dodger dog 15 years ago. Now all that said, I am a Giants fan who has lived in L.A. for 16 years. Let me tell you, it is brutal at dodger staduim if you are in Giants gear. I’ve had urine thrown at me simply for standing up and clapping when my team hit a home run. People call me dispicible names and throw things at me when I’m just sitting there. Once a mother, in front of her two young sons offered to lynch Barry Bonds; I was flabbergasted. BUT, I went to hundreds of games at Candlestick Park and the dodger fans didn’t have it any easier; the atmosphere at AT&T seems a little better but not by much when the dodgers are in town. I’ve been to almost all of the baseball staduims in America and there’s good fans and there’s bad fans. Rivalries are good for the game but when you take it so seriously that another person can’t cheer for their team or wear there team’s gear, YOU have a serious problem with YOURSELF.

    • jabberwock3 - Jul 22, 2011 at 10:57 AM

      That’s like saying, “She was asking to be raped, wearing that dress.” Boor.

  5. yankeesgameday - Jul 22, 2011 at 12:57 AM

    These are the same cops who want us to believe a black man rofe a bicycle from Hollywood down into Beverly Hills at night, shot publicist Ronnie Chasin five times while she sat in her car at a red light, did not rob her, and then rode same bicycle out of Beverly Hills all the way back up to his flop house apartment at Hollywood and Vine without anyone seeing him. (fyi, that’s really far).

    If you haven’t heard about that and want to read the story of the most unbelievable police work this century, google Ronnie Chasin Murder.

    And now we’re supposed to believe whatever story they concoct just to make the public think they were doing their job.

  6. mgflolox - Jul 22, 2011 at 3:13 AM

    But I thought the LAPD always arrested the right person every time.

  7. db105 - Jul 22, 2011 at 6:22 AM

    Arresting is one thing. Convicting is another. Finding a jury with decent rational skills may be difficult in LA.

    • psousa1 - Jul 22, 2011 at 8:44 AM

      Or Florida.

  8. Kevin S. - Jul 22, 2011 at 9:47 AM

    Still rounding up the usual suspects, I see.

  9. jabberwock3 - Jul 22, 2011 at 10:53 AM

    Stow’s attorney should petition the court to move the trial to San Francisco to see how the defendants” northern “peers” feel about the incident.

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