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The Mariners have lost 12 in a row

Jul 21, 2011, 4:35 PM EDT

Blue Jays batter Rajai Davis watches his two run double during their MLB American League baseball game in Toronto

On June 19th, the Mariners were a half game out of first place. As late as June 27th they were only two games out.  Now: they’ve lost twelve games in a row — this one 7-5 to the Blue Jays — and stand 13 games out of first place. Their season is in ruins and, for all intents and purposes, over.

The latest loss came despite a grand slam from Miquel Olivo which tied the game up at five in the top of the eighth and gave the M’s their first bit of momentum in God knows how long. But then in the bottom of the inning, Rajai Davis hit an RBI double and that was that. Jon Rauch closed out the game for the Jays.

The scary part: Seattle now goes on to Boston and New York, where the chances seem pretty good for that losing streak to be extended.

  1. cur68 - Jul 21, 2011 at 4:40 PM

    Why yes, Craig. Yes they have lost 12 in a row. Olivo did all he could do and took away the win from Ricky Romero, but the BeaverBoys never said die. I been talkin’ a lot of sh!t about Rajai Davis (the Human Strike-out Machine) and it seems to be working. More crap I spew about that guy more he seems to find a way to influence the game for the Jays. Yep. He sucks at the plate; no discipline. Bautista sucks too. Swinging out of his shoes at every strike, who does he think he is? The Most Interesting Batter in the World or something?

    So that’s 8 wins in the last 10. Off to the Rangers on a high. Wooo!

    • tylermontreal - Jul 21, 2011 at 6:06 PM

      keep tryin, bloser…

      • cur68 - Jul 21, 2011 at 6:34 PM

        er..ok, I will keep trying…but at what? I’m pretty successful as it is so not sure where the lack of effort needs to go. Thanks for the encouragement, though.

        As for my advice for you, I’ afraid I’m going to need a little more info before I make any insulting comments or misunderstand something you wrote.

        So, tylermontreal, are you a Jays fan? If so you’re clearly new here.

        I’m going out on a limb but with the Montreal as a clue I’m guessing you are like me, a long suffering Expo fan with nothing left in Canada to root for but the Jays. If so then I suggest reading and sarcasm comprehension aren’t your strong suit.
        Anyhow, you keep trying too. . .Quebecois.

  2. uyf1950 - Jul 21, 2011 at 4:47 PM

    I realize what I’m about to say may have some fans here wanting to hang my moniker in effigy. I have heard since spring training how the Mariners will be improving and there is no need for them to even consider trading their premier pitcher (who shall remain nameless). Now don’t misunderstand me I’m not implying or advocating that he be traded to the Yankees. This is just a general observation. The Mariners pitching this year is even better then last year, but It would seem their offense has taken a step backwards if that was possible. So why wouldn’t the Mariners consider trading one of their premier pitchers for some offense? Clearly pitching alone hasn’t and isn’t getting the Mariners anywhere. There attendance is dropping and I assume their revenues along with it. Something needs to change in their approach to winning. Thoughts/opinions are welcome.

    • cur68 - Jul 21, 2011 at 5:01 PM

      I thought fielding played a big part in these last 3 games UYF. They seemed to have plenty of offence, if the scores were anything to go by, but they kept letting the Jay’s manufacture runs out of errors or poor judgement. The Jay’s for their part, took advantage of some pitch selection lapses and poor decision making when it came to pitching to certain guys (Bautista, Escobar, Lind etc). But overall Pitching was what even gave them a chance.

      Anyways, there is no way I, or anyone but a Yankee, Sox, or Rays fan, would want King Felix and/or Pineda traded for even a solid gold Bentley to any of the top teams team in the AL Beast. This of course leaves the Jays & Orioles in the running and the Jays at least have offence to trade. Frankly the Yankees don’t have much to offer in the way of offence to get anything near what either of those two are worth.

    • easports82 - Jul 21, 2011 at 5:16 PM

      If you were talking about Pineda or Bedard, sure; look into a trade because you’ll be able to get a comparable value back. But, you’re not. You’re talking about Felix (again). Trading Felix turns into a pennies on the dollar deal because a competitor is not going to give up the bat(s) that would equal his talents. Felix is a guy you build around, not a trade chip to get 5 AAA ballplayers.

      You know who Felix almost got traded for 2 years ago? Adrian Gonzalez. Think Boston’s gonna part with him right now? No. You ready for the Yankees to give up Texieria for Felix? Doubtful.

      • indyralph - Jul 21, 2011 at 5:28 PM

        If the Sox offered Gonzalez for Hernandez, Jack Z would chuckle at Theo and say “What else?” If the Yanks offered Texiera, Jack would laugh loud enough for me to hear him in Indiana.

      • Ari Collins - Jul 21, 2011 at 5:42 PM

        I’m pretty sure the Yankees would trade Teixeira for Felix in a heartbeat. Felix is better, younger, and paid less.

        Of course, that’s why the Mariners wouldn’t do it.

      • frankvzappa - Jul 21, 2011 at 7:31 PM

        Tex for Felix would be terrifying, because then they would have room for Prince or Pujols after the season. Scary thought.

    • indyralph - Jul 21, 2011 at 5:23 PM

      There seems to be this general misconception among fans, particularly those in large markets, that if a team does not have a better than x% chance to win the world series, they should and will trade their best player. They should “be sellers”. This is patently ridiculous.

      Trades happen at the deadline because teams that are out of the running for this year are willing to trade their players who have much present value but little future value for players who potentially have more future value. This does not in any way, shape or form apply to the Mariners’ premier pitcher. He has a TON of future value because he is only 25 years old and signed reasonably through 2014. Because he has so much future value, every team – not just the ones in contention this year – would give up TONS AND TONS AND TONS of potential future value to get this pitcher. Which means even if the Mariners did put this pitcher on the market, and then somehow didn’t notice that every single other team thinks they are nuts for doing so, that there would still be 29 teams bidding on him.

      Well, 28. The Marlins wouldn’t pay him $60M despite the fact that he’ll probably be worth twice that. But still, it’s a pipe dream until at least 2014.

      • Ari Collins - Jul 21, 2011 at 7:14 PM

        This is very well put.

    • uyf1950 - Jul 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM

      Apparently Cur68 and Easports82, you didn’t take my original comment to heart. Take the Yankees out of the equation and your thought process. If the Mariners are going to improve and become competitive in the near future they have to get some offense going which they have not been able to do. And I’m not talking about for a series or 2. Look at their overall offense stats for the past 2 years at or near the bottom in nearly every offensive category. Even great pitching which the Mariners appear to have can’t offset those types of numbers. Why wouldn’t a team in their current position strive to have very good pitching and at least a decent offense. While it may not win them a World Series Title it probably would make them reasonably competitive, which they currently are not. I’m sure their are a least a couple of teams out there that could put together a package of players that would satisfy 80% in not more of the Mariners demands/needs. Like I said before, their attendance keeps dropping their record hasn’t and isn’t improving. Isn’t it the obligation of ownership to field at least a competitive team? That’s all I’m saying.

      • easports82 - Jul 21, 2011 at 5:37 PM

        Fine, take the Yankees out of the equation. Who is going to pony up the MLB All-Star caliber talent to trade for Felix? That’s all I’m saying.

      • uyf1950 - Jul 21, 2011 at 5:57 PM

        To easports82 – then what you are really saying is the Mariners are locked in what I will affectionately call a “death spiral” and their fans should accept mediocrity for an indefinite period.
        Because when 2014 comes around in my opinion King Felix will be worth less in the way of trade value then he is now. For the simple reason a team that would acquire him now has his services for 3 years at dare I say a reasonable salary of about $20M per. Come the trading deadline of 2014 should the Mariners have to trade him, an acquiring team no longer has the benefit of those 3 years at $20M per.

      • cur68 - Jul 21, 2011 at 6:44 PM

        Sure UFY, Yankees out, but I don’t think trading King Felix for just about anybody not named Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder is at all a good idea. They might get the Mets to perk up their little pointy ears but are the Mets ready to dangle Reyes, Beltran and/or Wright at them in return? Now that’s some hitting right there, but I cannot see the Mets even considering such a thing.

        Quite frankly the Blue Jays might be able to score him. They have a wealth of young talent, are overstocked in the hitter, crappy reliever department, and might be able to package up some of those guys plus AAA talent for Felix. Likewise the Royals with all their up and comers could do a similar thing. But that’s about it, I think. Can you think of other teams who have the kind of steady hitting the Mariners need?

      • easports82 - Jul 21, 2011 at 6:52 PM

        You’re argument that M’s fans have to accept mediocrity while Felix is on the team is incorrect. Trading him for unknown quantities does nothing to guarantee a better product. I’ll concede to your argument that he has more value now than he may have in 2014 because of the contract (which has some level of a no-trade, so he may veto it anyway), however, you haven’t brought up any scenario where it actually makes sense to trade him. The team picking him up would need to be giving up MLB proven talent. Felix wouldn’t be let got for a handful of prospects and a MLB lefty specialist like Bedard was.

        Come up with a realistic, non-video game scenario where trading Felix makes sense for the short or long term future of the Mariners and the team that’d be trading for Felix.

        Good luck.

      • FC - Jul 21, 2011 at 9:04 PM

        The team picking him up would need to be giving up MLB proven talent. Felix wouldn’t be let got for a handful of prospects and a MLB lefty specialist like Bedard was.

        I dunno, Halladay went to Philly for prospects, the Jays even paid a piece of his salary. None of that talent was MLB ready except possibly Drabek, and he’s in AAA. Likewise Cliff Lee went to Philly for more prospects. Only Carrasco is currently on the Indians MLB Roster.

      • easports82 - Jul 22, 2011 at 9:03 AM

        If memory serves, Halladay was in or a year from his walk year when he was going to cost way more than the Jays wanted to spend. In a couple years, the M’s might be at that point with Felix. But, for whatever dumbass reason it gets suggested, for the M’s to trade Felix right now or next year, there has to be an MLB return. The move still has to be sold to a loyal, but frustrated fan-base and giving up the brightest star on the team for prospects would pretty much kill the remaining support.

    • tashkalucy - Jul 21, 2011 at 8:34 PM

      Eric Wedge is a disaster handling offensive players.

      Give him another year and he’ll have those pitchers so screwed up that you’ll wonder what hit you.

      And that defense will go as well.

      Fact is, Eric Wedge is a disaster. He has some major problems with reality. Always up there learning new theories and experimenting with his players.

    • marinersnate - Jul 21, 2011 at 10:52 PM

      UYF, consider your moniker now hanging in effigy at 605 feet from the top of the Space Needle. The burning starts at dawn.

      In seriousness, I would like to make one point. Felix recently stated in an interveiw with a spanish language newspaper that he loves Seattle and wishes the M’s would extend him another five years. Although much can change in the next three years, it would seem that the M’s will not have an urgent need to try to trade him at the 2014 deadline. IMHO of course.

  3. emeraldcityfan - Jul 21, 2011 at 5:43 PM

    We’re going for it Craig. Look out Cleveland Spiders!

  4. proudlycanadian - Jul 21, 2011 at 7:27 PM

    Did anyone else other than cur68 notice that the Jays have won 8 of their last 10 and are scoring a lot of runs? Dumping Juan Rivera has worked out quite well. The temperature in Toronto today is very hot and a very hot team is about to invade Texas.

    • cur68 - Jul 21, 2011 at 8:46 PM

      Well I think tylermontreal noticed something but I’m not sure what. His comment didn’t indicate where his allegiances lay or what specifically I wrote that upset him so, poor soul.

      Whatever the random think, there is no doubt that the Jays are showing some real life all of a sudden. They even seem to be getting Davis to hit, something the A’s gave up on. What’s more, their wins aren’t coming off the long ball like they used to. 2 were off Davis being Davis (running and chipping hits) and a McCoy clutch double was today’s difference maker. Could they be learning to play some small ball to go with their long ball skills? Please let it be so! Should be an interesting tilt in Arlington tomorrow. Looking forward to your comments on that one, PC.

  5. tashkalucy - Jul 21, 2011 at 8:30 PM

    Having had to watch Eric Wedge up-close-and-personal for a few years, this does not surprise me.

    Is he still using pop psychology terms and buzzwords to discuss what for other MLB managers can speak in plain English?

    Wedge and his cohort in bureaucracy – Mark Shapiro – could talk for 5 minutes on how to turn the key to start a car, and make it sound like brain surgery that only Ivy Leaguers could possibly understand. Give Wedgie one more year and he will not only alienate the players (especially the veterans that don’t want to be played with because Wedgie found a new theoretical concept to try on people), but the fans will be screaming for a real manager.

    Fortunately the Indians have Manny Acta, who should be a runaway winner for AL Manager Of The Year for making chicken salad out of the squirrel eggs Shapiro and his hand-picked, promoted, buzzword dropping Chris Antonetti gave him.

    Now if someone can just get Shapiro and Andretti to leave and hire in a GM that actually can watch players with his/her own two eyes instead of evaluating them on computers, the Indians might be able to win that crummy division for the next few years.

    We feel your pain, Seattle fans.

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