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The Carlos Beltran derby is down to five teams

Jul 22, 2011, 12:33 PM EDT

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Buster Olney tweeted the following a bit ago:

Source: Carlos Beltran trade talks down to five serious teams, which includes BOS, SF, PHI, ATL, TEX.  CLE, PIT basically out of conversation.

I wasn’t aware that Cleveland was ever in the conversation.  Pittsburgh was an interesting idea, but I think that high is starting to wear off and people are starting to realize that it makes little sense for the Pirates to move a useful prospect for a chance at prolonging the magic.

It was reported yesterday that San Francisco was falling back too, because they’re unwilling to move a prospect. It was reported this morning that Beltran may be reluctant to approve a trade to an AL team, so maybe that hurts Boston.

Looks like a Philly-Atlanta battle, no?  My guess is that Philly gets him.

  1. deep64blue - Jul 22, 2011 at 12:38 PM

    You trying to jinx the Phillies chances Craig??!

  2. dodger88 - Jul 22, 2011 at 12:38 PM

    The Carlos Beltran derby is down to five teams……until it is back up to six or seven…….got to love this time of year.

    • Utley's Hair - Jul 22, 2011 at 12:51 PM

      Until Heyman adds a couple dozen mystery teams.

  3. Chris Fiorentino - Jul 22, 2011 at 12:42 PM

    DAMN!!! Buster Olney said the Phillies are one of the teams involved in the Beltran derby. Now they will NEVER get him!!!!!

  4. xpensivewinos - Jul 22, 2011 at 12:45 PM

    “My guess is” that the team who offers the better prospects gets him.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jul 22, 2011 at 12:50 PM

      I wouldn’t be so sure. This IS (these are?) the Mets we are talking about here…

      • bigharold - Jul 22, 2011 at 1:51 PM

        My guess is that the team that will take the biggest chunck of his salary gets him because thse are the Mets and the need the dough.

  5. purnellmeagrejr - Jul 22, 2011 at 12:58 PM

    for Domonic Brown? or is that Demonic Brown?

    • Chris Fiorentino - Jul 22, 2011 at 1:03 PM

      The Phillies are never going to give the Mets Domonic Brown for Beltran. Now Demonic Brown…yeah, they may give him up. Or Democratic Brown. Or Paul Domowitch. But you won’t see a Mets jersey on Brown unless he signs there as a free agent in 6 years.

      • purnellmeagrejr - Jul 22, 2011 at 1:44 PM

        Ryan Kalish? Or is that Kyle Radish?

  6. Jack Marshall - Jul 22, 2011 at 1:12 PM

    All indications are that the Red Sox are willing to give the keys to fight field to Josh Reddick, who has earned them, and bench or dump Drew. Getting Beltran would be one of those piggish big money team moves that really doesn’t help the team much, but just shows the media that the team is “ready to spend to win,” as if that was ever in doubt.

    I’ll be surprised and disappointed if Boston gives up any good prospects to get Beltran.

    • Kevin S. - Jul 22, 2011 at 1:23 PM

      Josh Reddick has filled in admirably, but the idea that Carlos Beltran wouldn’t be an upgrade over him going forward is insane. He would definitely help the Red Sox in right. Probably not as much as he’d help Philly or Atlanta in left, but he’s still an upgrade.

      • Kevin S. - Jul 22, 2011 at 1:30 PM

        Carlos Beltran, ZiPS Rest of Season projection: .280/.371/.482
        Josh Reddick, ZiPS RoS: .266/.303/.439

        And if I’m not mistaken, that projection for Beltran assumes Citi field, not park-neutral. He’s worth a win or two as an upgrade.

      • derpdederpdederp - Jul 22, 2011 at 1:41 PM

        Beltran would push the Sox offense (even further) over the top and I think it would make sense to add him to their potent lineup. given the season A-Gon, Ellsbury, and Beckett are having the Sox have an excellent shot at the WS and there’s no reason for Theo to not go all in now like he did in December

      • derpdederpdederp - Jul 22, 2011 at 1:45 PM

        obviously he would be a rental and the RF spot would be Reddick’s to win during spring training. he’s already won it if Beltran doesn’t go to Boston this week, and chances are he won’t actually have to win it in the spring as the list of free agent outfielders next year is extremely thin at best

      • Jack Marshall - Jul 22, 2011 at 7:04 PM

        Reddick is clearly a more finished player than his projections indicate. I’ve been watching the guy—no, he’s not as good as Beltran now, but he’s good, and Reddick for nothing makes more sense for the Red Sox, who already have the world’s best offense, than Beltran for decent prospects. You want to disagree, fine. But that’s how the brass are thinking. Beltran’s not coming to Boston. If Reddick wasn’t around and hitting, he might be.

      • Kevin S. - Jul 22, 2011 at 7:14 PM

        My only point of contention was that Beltran would be an upgrade over Reddick. I wasn’t arguing that the opportunity cost was reasonable (in fact, I alluded to it being higher than for other teams).

      • derpdederpdederp - Jul 22, 2011 at 11:37 PM

        exactly. Beltran would be an obvious upgrade but the Sox will be just fine without him

  7. Jonny 5 - Jul 22, 2011 at 1:39 PM

    If they don’t have to give up Brown or Worley, get him. I think Kendrick could actually have trade value to a team with starting pitching problems.

    • Chris Fiorentino - Jul 22, 2011 at 1:44 PM

      Did you mean Kyle Kendrick? **shakes head** Wishful thinking…J5…wishful thinking.

    • spudchukar - Jul 22, 2011 at 1:45 PM

      When you were writing this comment, were you biting your lip to keep from busting out laughing? Yeah, the Mets have been stupid, but not THAT stupid.

      • FC - Jul 22, 2011 at 3:58 PM

        They’re not the Astros after all…

    • seanmk - Jul 22, 2011 at 1:59 PM

      i’d give up worley to get beltran, i doubt the mets would take worley to get beltran is the only problem. i would not give up brown under any circumstances, unelss matt kemp was the name then i’d consider it

    • Jonny 5 - Jul 22, 2011 at 2:03 PM

      C-mon guys!!! He’s been AWESOME! lately.. (lip bleeding)

      I can’t stop picturing Amaro with his poker face. ” So how badly do you need a pitcher anyway Alderson? ” Kendrick is cheap guys!! 2.45 million and if Philly eats some salary it may just work. (fingers crossed bowing to Jobu with incense burning) Ok, I know that was just uncalled for and mean. I’ll go now.

  8. pittman25 - Jul 22, 2011 at 1:42 PM

    While I agree that the Pirates would be foolish to trade away anything of importance, and never seriously thought they were going to trade for Beltran, I’m not sure how the “high” has worn off for the Pirates. They haven’t lost a series in over a month and are in first place. Seems pretty high to me.

    • Jonny 5 - Jul 22, 2011 at 2:05 PM

      I think Pitt should go go for it. The way they run there won’t be another chance in maybe 10 more years. Get it while the gettin’ is good.

  9. paulsdamnblog - Jul 22, 2011 at 2:02 PM

    Dom Brown to the Mets for a rental of Beltran??? Stupid idea. I like Beltrans bat when October starts but thats waaaay to steep a price to pay. The Braves or Sox or whoever can have him.

  10. APBA Guy - Jul 22, 2011 at 2:04 PM

    Sandy Alderson is running the Mets baseball operation so I have tremendous faith that he wants to do the right things for the organization, including maximizing the prospect haul for the team. I’d watch out for Texas in this. Reasoning: Boston already has tremendous offense, but they are a pitcher injury away from serious problems in the postseason. They’ll want to maintain flexibility there, and their payroll is such that I don’t think they can take on Beltran and maintain a cushion for another pitcher. Texas, on the other hand, has flexibility for both, and an unsettled outfield spot by contender standards. Endy Chavez has been very good in his platoon role, but the other half, David Murphy, is having an off year. Also, if (when?) Cruz and/or Hamilton go down again, they are in trouble.

    We’ll see. Boras is calling the shots, so half the equation will be about showcasing Beltran for big-market clubs.

    • bigxrob - Jul 22, 2011 at 2:18 PM

      I think people forget that chucklehead Minaya isn’t running the Mets anymore.
      (although I wish he was)

  11. Jonny 5 - Jul 22, 2011 at 2:21 PM

    I heard the Mets are all over Minor. A rental of Beltran for Minor?

  12. Jonny 5 - Jul 22, 2011 at 2:31 PM

    Baez is designated for assignment. It is done.

  13. Chris Fiorentino - Jul 22, 2011 at 2:38 PM

    Bye-Bye-Baez. Just heard stat…he had the 5th highest ERA IN TEAM HISTORY for a guy with 85 or more appearances. What a waste.

    • Jonny 5 - Jul 22, 2011 at 2:44 PM


  14. proudlycanadian - Jul 22, 2011 at 3:32 PM

    Sounds like Beltran to Atlanta. In other news, it is rumored that the Bergen Record plans to put in a claim for Olney if as and when Olney is designated for assignment.

  15. macjacmccoy - Jul 22, 2011 at 5:50 PM

    I hope the Phillies dont get him. I dont think hes worth any of the Phillies top prospects for 1/2 a season. If they dont have to include Cozart,Colvin,Biddle,Ramirez,Mays,Singelton,Rizzotti, or Valle Im in otherwise let the Braves have him.

  16. luckynucky - Jul 23, 2011 at 12:29 PM

    Beltran behind Ryan Howard puts the Phillies way over the top. A switch-hitting power bat in back of a speed oriented line-up of run-scorers would make any Team’s SP think twice to throw a fastball. This is like Holliday and Pujols.

    The Phils already have the pitching. Worley and/or any other Pitcher would be a #5. Think about that… Kendrick, Worley, Blanton, and Brown are expendable for going the distance in the World Series. Beltran is a good fit, a better fit is Hunter Pence.

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