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Cards, White Sox discussing trade involving Colby Rasmus

Jul 24, 2011, 12:12 PM EDT

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Colby Rasmus might be on the move.

From Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch comes word that the Cardinals’ front office has engaged in “accelerated” trade negotiations this week with White Sox GM Kenny Williams.

No deal is imminent, but Rasmus is the centerpiece and the Cards are believed to have their sights set on White Sox starter Edwin Jackson and lefty reliever Matt Thornton. Some minor league talent might also be exchanged, and a third team could enter the mix in order to complete the potential swap.

Rasmus is batting just .241 with a .730 OPS through 374 plate appearances this season and has at times played hesitant defense in the outfield, but he’s still regarded as one of the top all-around center fielders in the game and probably hasn’t hit his peak at the age of 24. In 2010, the former first-round pick registered a quality .859 OPS with 23 home runs, 66 RBI and 12 stolen bases.

Rasmus has twice requested a trade away from St. Louis and it appears the Cardinals might now grant that wish in order to bolster their pitching staff. The Redbirds enter play Sunday with a slight lead in the NL Central.

  1. paperlions - Jul 24, 2011 at 12:21 PM

    Edwin Freaking Jackson? Seriously? Yeah, that is a great idea….trade an uber-talented though struggling player for a back of the rotation starter.

    • hittfamily - Jul 24, 2011 at 12:39 PM

      Kenny Williams has never traded for anyone under 35, so I don’t expect much to come of this.

      • jdd428 - Jul 24, 2011 at 1:13 PM

        Umm… John Danks? Gavin Floyd? They were under 35.

    • spudchukar - Jul 24, 2011 at 12:41 PM

      One enigma for another. But if they can garner both Jackson and Thornton, then maybe it will suffice, but as I stated earlier, I still would prefer Desmond and Clippard.

    • macjacmccoy - Jul 25, 2011 at 5:54 AM

      yea it doesnt seem an equal trade but if a guy doesnt want to be there, is trying to force a trade, doesnt get along with the coach or people in the orginization, and isnt playing nearly up to his ability either bc he doesnt want to or bc all the drama is getting to him, they cant keep him around. The Cardinals cant let it turn into a club house cancer. And every other team knows it.

      They know that the Cardinals will have to move him eventually. That know matter what Rasmus relationship with the team isnt going to get better its only going to get worse. Like benching him for nearly a week. That didnt make Rasmus like the Cardinals more. And things like that will continue to happen and probably escalate. Every team in the league knows it . So that automatically gives any team dealing with the Cardinals leverage. The Cardinals are the ones that need to make the move, so their going to get the short end of the stick.

      It happens all the time in every sport. The team that has the problem child no matter how talented always is forced to take way less then what the guy is worth bc everyone knows their backs are against the wall. So everyone offers them well below market value which sets the new market. And the team cant wait for the market to rise back up bc the longer they wait the worse the problems which can lower the value even more.

      And thats the world where Edwin Jackson and Matt Thorton are parts of “accelerated trade negotiations” for Colby Rasmus.

      • macjacmccoy - Jul 25, 2011 at 5:57 AM

        *worse the problems get* (I guess Im on board now too, EDIT FUNCTION)

      • hittfamily - Jul 25, 2011 at 8:17 AM

        I quit reading when the first sentence never seemed to end.:)

  2. proudlycanadian - Jul 24, 2011 at 12:22 PM

    The White Sox could use someone with the production of Rasmus. He would be an upgrade over Dunn and Rios.

    • hittfamily - Jul 24, 2011 at 12:41 PM

      Trade Idea. Dunn for Zambrano, but Zambrano has to DH.

  3. entersandman42ny - Jul 24, 2011 at 12:22 PM

    I would say this deal makes sense for both teams. Rasmus wants out of St. Louis and the Cards need bullpen and starting pitching help. The White Sox could use a young up and coming outfielder that they can stick in center field for the next decade.

    “but he’s still regarded as one of the top all-around center fielders in the game” Seriously? He has potential but let’s not get ahead of ourselves and make a statement like that.

    • hittfamily - Jul 24, 2011 at 12:38 PM

      I would agree that he is one of the best all around center fielders. Not because he is great, but because for the most part his peers suck. There’s a lot of bad center fielders starting in the league.

  4. drunkenhooliganism - Jul 24, 2011 at 12:34 PM

    I really hope this happens. I can’t wait to hear Ozzie’s opinion on Tony Rasmus.

    • proudlycanadian - Jul 24, 2011 at 12:40 PM

      Speaking of Tony Rasmus, I am wondering if he will post an update on this site.

      • kiwicricket - Jul 24, 2011 at 7:38 PM


        (come on Tony, I know you’re out there….)

      • paperlions - Jul 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM

        Yeah, this is maddening sometimes. For example, when a runner is tagging on a fly ball, Colby doesn’t get set to throw at all….he catches the ball, looks to see if the runner is going, and THEN makes the throw…..he did this again on the final play of today’s game. Simply inexcusable.

      • spudchukar - Jul 24, 2011 at 8:55 PM

        Exectamente PL, if the Cards ever needed a game to exemplify the Rasmus dilemma it was today. Rocket homer, couple of good at bats, and then with the game on the line, he fails to back up a throw to second as the runner is stealing, and then on a do or die play on a shallow fly ball to center he treats it half-assed. Colby if you do not make a great throw home we lose. The lack of recognition of the dire circumstance is Rasmus in a nutshell. Many things can be taught, but awareness, anticipation, and competing may well be beyond his capabilities.

      • kiwicricket - Jul 24, 2011 at 10:15 PM

        I was mentioning that more to try bait Tony out of hiding…
        There is no doubt he leaves the functioning side of his brain in the dugout sometimes. And at other times he’s a game-changing one-man machine. Clearly needs a change of venue, but there is no excuse for the Card’s not getting a good haul for him. Thornton and Jackson(as a rental!) Yikes.

      • macjacmccoy - Jul 25, 2011 at 6:08 AM

        I disagree you cant get a good haul for a guy when everyone knows hes gotta be moved. Take Manny for example, when things started to go wrong in Boston he was still a good player but everyone knew the team needed to move him. Should they have gotten a good haul for him? Yes. Did they? No.

        The other 29 GMs got their jobs for a reason, and they know when theres blood in the water. Right now the Cardinals are bleeding and their eventually going to have to stop it or bleed out. Every team in the league will be there to patch them up but they’ll want double the price. The Cardinals will either have to pay it or die. Thats the way pro sports work.

      • paperlions - Jul 25, 2011 at 12:46 PM

        No, it isn’t. There are 29 GMs competing with each other to trade for a guy….in such cases it is pretty easy to get good value. In the Cardinals situation, a good GM knows that you don’t do a deal that doesn’t improve your current roster and chances of winning….so anyone the Cardinals get would have to be a clear upgrade over what is already available AND would have to overcome the loss of Rasmus from the roster. In addition, smart GMs do not throw away a good player for a small increase in the odds of winning during a single year.

  5. cintiphil - Jul 24, 2011 at 12:58 PM

    I say let Rasmus hang around the neck of the Cards. One the other hand, wouldn’t it be fun to see the back and forth between trasmus and Ozzie. he could show Ozzie how the game is to be played. It might make the game interesting again.

  6. thefalcon123 - Jul 24, 2011 at 1:06 PM

    Are you f**king kidding me?!?!

    The White Sox had better include a pretty nice prospect in this deal as well. Rasmus was excellent last year, is struggling this year. So what?!? He’s 24, it happens. The Cardinals are going to give up a young player with a high ceiling for two months of mediocre Edwin Jackson (he’s a free agent at years end) and a pitcher who will give you 60 innings a year (albeit, a very good one).

    The Cardinals are once again putting way too much faith in Jon Jay. His ceiling is much, much lower and he’s been hitting a much more Jon Jay like .273/.313/.381 the past two months. I guess we can add Jay to the list of players LaRussa ran out of town because he didn’t like the personally.

    Ozzie Smith
    Ray Lankford (that trade actually worked out pretty well!)
    Scott Rolen
    JD Drew (hey! That trade worked out well too!)
    Colby Rasmus…

    • hittfamily - Jul 24, 2011 at 1:52 PM

      If the Cards lose Pujols next year, wouldn’t it make sense to slide Berkman into 1st and Rasmuss into right. If they trade Rasmuss, I don’t understand why they would do it for a rental situation. They might end up with no Pujols, no Rasmuss, and nothing to show for it.

      • paperlions - Jul 24, 2011 at 2:21 PM

        The Cardinals have a 1B prospect in AA (Matt Adams) that is tearing the cover off the ball this year, who may well be considered a top 50 prospect by the end of the year.

    • cintiphil - Jul 25, 2011 at 9:06 AM

      How do you define “excellent”. Last year, he was good until about June, from then on, he stunk up the place, and was benched for a good part of the end of the year. What kind of “great prospect” can’t hit over .250? However, if the birds like him, I say keep him and sink with him in the lineup.

  7. Old Gator - Jul 24, 2011 at 1:34 PM

    Slobbering Ozzie versus the second coming of Savanarola. That’s a match made in lowlife heaven. It’ll be even more fun when Colby and Ozzie’s cretinous spawn find some way to run afoul of each other which, of course, they will when Mini Zie starts badmouthing Uber-T on Tweeter.

    Of course, there’s also the sickening possibility that this could be the gambit that destabilizes Slobbering Ozzie’s position in Chicaguh and sends him careening out of his current fecacentric orbit and plummeting towards Macondo like a block of blue ice….

    • tashkalucy - Jul 24, 2011 at 2:33 PM

      In the future, take the needle out of your arm when you’re typing.

      • Old Gator - Jul 24, 2011 at 3:03 PM

        I use sublingual tablets. They still leave me free to grunt when typing ellipses.

      • tashkalucy - Jul 24, 2011 at 3:23 PM

        The world is full of Dr. Hunter S. Thompson wannabe’s.

        It got old 25 years ago.

      • Old Gator - Jul 24, 2011 at 3:43 PM

        I’m not aware that Gonzo ever used vitamin D.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 24, 2011 at 6:00 PM

        I don’t think the Good Doctor was aware of anything that didn’t contain bourbon.

      • Old Gator - Jul 24, 2011 at 6:55 PM

        It’s a shame he died before discovering acai. Then he could have waited a few years and he and Warren could’ve gone out together. Ah well. In the immortal words of the dead Ned Kelly, such is life.

  8. Kevin S. - Jul 24, 2011 at 4:14 PM

    If Frank Wren doesn’t blow this offer away, he needs to be summarily drawn and quartered.

    • Old Gator - Jul 24, 2011 at 6:57 PM

      Good grief, what is going on in this country? Doesn’t anyone believe in long drawn out media spectacular trials anymore? Summary executions don’t bode any better for the future of democracy than…than…oh, I dunno, that viewing corporations as people or something.

    • Old Gator - Jul 24, 2011 at 6:57 PM

      Good grief, what is going on in this country? Doesn’t anyone believe in long drawn out media spectacular trials anymore? Summary executions don’t bode any better for the future of democracy than…than…oh, I dunno, than viewing corporations as people or something.

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 24, 2011 at 8:33 PM

        Repetition. You just lost your turn on My Word.

      • Old Gator - Jul 24, 2011 at 11:20 PM

        Phooey. WordPress is supposed to have some kind of automatic detection of redundancy detector to the keep that sort of thing from happening.

      • nolanwiffle - Jul 25, 2011 at 8:33 AM

        No edit function OR automatic detector of redundancy function…..this site has jumped the shark.

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