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Phillies still trying hard for Hunter Pence

Jul 26, 2011, 6:42 PM EDT

Hunter Pence AP

While there’s some thought out there that they’ve soured on a potential Carlos Beltran deal, the Phillies have been the most aggressive suitors for Houston’s Hunter Pence, FOXSports.com’s Ken Rosenthal reports.

Rosenthal also tweets that the Red Sox have inquired about Pence, but that they’ve had a tough time finding a match with the Astros, and that the Braves aren’t currently involved in the chase.

The Astros will want an awful lot for Pence, but the Phillies have exactly the type of player Houston should desire in return in Domonic Brown.  The Phillies won’t part with Brown for two months of Carlos Beltran, but two years and two months of Pence could be a different story.  Pence will get expensive in arbitration, but he’s not going to be a free agent until after the 2013 season.

Pence has hit .308/.356/.470 with 11 homers and 62 RBI this season.  With his name involved in trade rumors, he has struggled since the All-Star break, going 6-for-36 in 10 games.

 

  1. drmonkeyarmy - Jul 26, 2011 at 6:44 PM

    Jayson Stark: “Ruben is trying to do something big. I think they will do something. What he wants to do might be something he can’t do.” Makes you wonder what RAJ has in mind. If Stark was referring to Pence wouldn’t he have just said Pence since that has been out there for a bit. Is RAJ aiming bigger and who could that be?

    • aclassyguyfromaclassytown - Jul 26, 2011 at 6:54 PM

      I’m expecting a post in 10 minutes that reads something along the lines of “The Phillies are ‘kicking the tires’ on Prince Fielder, just so that a half hour later we’ll find out that “The Phillies are relentlessly going after (I don’t know, who else has been having a great year) Jose Reyes”. Come a week from now the Fightins will still have the same line up that they’ve had all year, cause it just wouldn’t be RAJ if you didn’t get what you never saw coming, and right now everyone is expecting the Phillies to make a splash. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see some players added, but I’ve completely given up on guessing at this point.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 26, 2011 at 6:56 PM

        Whether a player(s) are added or not, I just want to know what RAJ is trying to pull off.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 26, 2011 at 6:58 PM

        I mean it has to be something crazy and not a name previously reported. If it were the usual suspects of Pence, Beltran, Melky, Upton, Bell, Adams, etc….Stark would just have said so. It’s like they are going after a “mystery player”. Hey, the Phillies were Heyman’s “mystery team”, so why can’t they obtain the “mystery player”?

      • aclassyguyfromaclassytown - Jul 26, 2011 at 8:20 PM

        We’ll likely wake up tomorrow to find Ubaldo in a Phillies Jersey.

      • evanwins - Jul 26, 2011 at 10:13 PM

        Carlos Quentin

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 26, 2011 at 10:16 PM

        The latest rumor has them going after Carlos Quentin.

  2. aclassyguyfromaclassytown - Jul 26, 2011 at 6:46 PM

    I’m so glad that all of this speculation will be over in a week.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 26, 2011 at 6:53 PM

      I like the wild speculation and rumors.

      • spudchukar - Jul 26, 2011 at 7:48 PM

        Common ground, at last.

  3. Chris Fiorentino - Jul 26, 2011 at 6:57 PM

    Matt. Kemp. For Worley and Brown. Heartbeat.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 26, 2011 at 6:59 PM

      That is what I was thinking too…the Kemp part at least. I just didn’t want to jinx it. Think it might take more than Brown and Worley though.

      • drunkenhooliganism - Jul 26, 2011 at 7:11 PM

        We’d have to give up more than worley and Brown. And as a Phillies’ fan, I would be very willing to do it.

      • aclassyguyfromaclassytown - Jul 26, 2011 at 7:36 PM

        I kept Kemp’s name out of my little comment earlier, also in hope to avoid a jinx.

      • evanwins - Jul 26, 2011 at 10:14 PM

        I don’t think Major League Baseball would allow such a trade and I think they have the right to stop it because of the Dodgers situation.

  4. crankyfrankie - Jul 26, 2011 at 7:02 PM

    Since the Dodgers are in receivership I can not believe MLB lets them trade their best player for two unproven commodities. Yes Lance Worley could become Cole but he could also become Bob Walk or Bruce Ruffin. Yes Brown has a tremendous upside but still not quite their yet.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 26, 2011 at 7:06 PM

      Vance not Lance. Vance is a cooler name with some pop to it. Lance makes him sound like an old sailor.

      • Utley's Hair - Jul 26, 2011 at 7:35 PM

        Or a porn star.

  5. thekingdave - Jul 26, 2011 at 7:12 PM

    @drmonkeyarmy

    You sound like an obsessive woman.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 26, 2011 at 7:16 PM

      Regarding one particular thing or in general?

  6. dbick - Jul 26, 2011 at 7:41 PM

    RAJ is too smart to trade Dom Brown for Hunter Pence. Let’s keep it real, he avoided dealing Brown for both Halladay and Cliff Lee. Why the hell would he trade him for an overrated Hunter Pence?

    • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 26, 2011 at 7:43 PM

      I agree dbick. I was banging a similar drum in another thread. The crux of my statement was that I’d rather them trade for a cheaper Melky Cabrera than Pence.

      • Utley's Hair - Jul 26, 2011 at 7:45 PM

        Franzke and LA are having a field day with the Gomes to DC deal.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 26, 2011 at 7:48 PM

        Wheels is too busy being awesome to comment on it thus far.

      • Utley's Hair - Jul 26, 2011 at 8:18 PM

        Wait…are you actually Chris Wheeler?

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 26, 2011 at 8:26 PM

        Sorry, I am not Chris Wheeler. I just like him. I realize that he annoys most people, but I’ve always found him an enjoyable listen.

  7. sjhaack - Jul 26, 2011 at 7:50 PM

    Haha! Dom Brown for Pence is priceless! I love it when I get baseball and humor all in the same place.

    • mercyflush - Jul 27, 2011 at 4:50 AM

      I know right? Why would the Phillies do something as stupid as that. I wouldn’t trade Dom Brown for Pence.

  8. spudchukar - Jul 26, 2011 at 7:57 PM

    Were I a Phightens’ fan I would opt for Pence. Victorino, who I believe is Hawaiian, handles CF efficiently. It is the bat that they need. Upton would be better in the long run, but no one in Philly is thinking long run, well maybe the Sixers. He is probably the missing ingredient that will brim the confidence of SE Pennsylvania’s to the max, only to be dashed by the upstart Cards.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 26, 2011 at 8:29 PM

      Wait, Victorino is Hawaiian? You’d think that would be big news. Amazing I’ve never heard that before.

      • spudchukar - Jul 26, 2011 at 8:36 PM

        Dude.

    • mercyflush - Jul 27, 2011 at 4:52 AM

      “He is probably the missing ingredient that will brim the confidence of SE Pennsylvania’s to the max, only to be dashed by the upstart Cards.”

      fail.

  9. thekingdave - Jul 26, 2011 at 8:05 PM

    Inquiring about actual transactions is one thing. Obsessing over hypotheticals which never come to fruition is another.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 26, 2011 at 8:24 PM

      I’m not obsessing over anything. I think wild speculation is fun. I don’t go to bed dreaming of it or even think about it. But during the course of a hot summer day it helps pass the time. Otherwise I would spend my considerable work down time reading pharmacy magazines and drug studies. That stuff is usually fairly drab.

      • spudchukar - Jul 26, 2011 at 8:39 PM

        Oh come on, remember that sticky substance and Matt Kemp.

      • aclassyguyfromaclassytown - Jul 26, 2011 at 9:42 PM

        That’s right, keep him talking. Thirty more seconds and we’ll have traced his location!

  10. thekingdave - Jul 26, 2011 at 8:07 PM

    Why is giving up Brown such a laugher? Pence is a proven All-Star under team control while Brown is just what he’s labeled as, a prospect.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 26, 2011 at 8:25 PM

      I wouldn’t give up Brown for Pence. I think Brown will be a star sooner rather than later. There are cheaper, only marginally worse alternatives.

  11. everybodyhitswoohoo - Jul 26, 2011 at 8:45 PM

    I’ll repeat what’s been said already and what hasn’t:

    1. Ruben Amaro refused to give up Dom Brown for a year and a half of the best pitcher in baseball; I sincerely doubt he’ll give him up for a year longer of Hunter Pence when it’s entirely likely that Dom will be every bit as good within a couple of years.
    2. The Phillies’ needs for “a good righthanded bad” are grossly overstated. Their offense has actually been, well…pretty good (relative to hitting across the league this year) since Utley came back, and Victorino’s line against lefties this year is .375/.487/.719/1.206.

    I will be utterly shocked if Amaro gives up Brown, Worley, or any prospect like Cosart or Singleton for a guy like Pence. And with that in mind, I have a hard time believing Wade can even get away with another trade to the Phillies that looks like it favors them…

    • Jonny 5 - Jul 26, 2011 at 8:57 PM

      I agree, but I think It’ll take one super prospect like Brown to get Pence. And sure, they’ve been good, but when you can do it, you do it. Get better, because everyone knows that anything can happen in a series.

  12. Jonny 5 - Jul 26, 2011 at 8:50 PM

    I wouldn’t trade Worley.

    Worley is throwing inside fastballs cutting in 4″ at the last second for strikes. He threw a really mean curveball for a strike, sliders, change ups. He doesn’t project as much, but the guy is knocking on a Carlton record (consecutive 1 run or less games) AS A ROOKIE. He’s either very lucky, very good, or a nice combo. Either way he’s got spectacular results, and is showing more stuff every time he comes out. Yo, you keep him just to see what he’s made of, if for nothing else.

    And I’m not sold on Brown being traded either. Unless it’s for something spectacular which will put everyone in awe. Brown for Pence even up Astros, that’s my hand and it isn’t too bad either. Houston will save some money and have a guy who could actually be better than Pence eventually. I like Mayberry in LF platoon with Raul.

    • aclassyguyfromaclassytown - Jul 26, 2011 at 9:48 PM

      Wait to get some love from Craig earlier on that post. I forget which one it was already. I also wouldn’t trade Worley. Mikey Miss, or Missy mike as I like to call him, swears we should trade him for Beltran. do you really want that guy pitching against us for the next weveral years? and for a rental nonetheless?

      • Jonny 5 - Jul 26, 2011 at 10:05 PM

        Mikey doesn’t run the Phillies. Thank goodness. The Mets would trade more than Beltran for Worley, count on that. I’m pretty sure Beltran gets traded for not much in high end prospects.

    • evanwins - Jul 26, 2011 at 10:24 PM

      Agreed on Worley. People keep bringing up Happ like they’re the same pitcher. Ridiculous. They are two different pitchers and Happ, while successful, was NEVER this successful. Worley has a real rare ability, especially for a young pitcher, to pitch EFFECTIVELY inside. HE also has really good stuff and a little bit of deception. Happ had deception (from the left ear) and not a lot else, he was ALWAYS in trouble with base runners and managed to find his way out of it. Worley is a totally different pitcher who will cost nearly nothing for the next few years. And I don’t trade him for practically anybody (Jose Bautista notwithstanding).

      • mercyflush - Jul 27, 2011 at 4:58 AM

        You guys are going overboard with Vance Worley. His BABIP this season is .254. The
        league avg is about .300. He’s been extremely lucky so far. Not saying that he hasn’t pitched very well, he obvioulsy has, but his stuff isn’t as great as you are saying it is. He’ll be a #4 or #3 at best. Trade him now while his value is at the absolute highest, and get a guy like Pence who is an everyday player that will make a huge difference in the lineup for this season plus the next 2 at least.

      • Jonny 5 - Jul 27, 2011 at 8:27 AM

        I don’t think so Mercy, I haven’t been saying he’s a 4th ace or anything of the sort but the kid, which should be stressed he’s a ROOKIE, has numbers comparable or even better than many HOF pitchers had during their rookie years. I’m not saying he projects as one, I’m saying Philly needs to see more of this guy before they trade him away for an OF. He has been getting better with every start imo.

      • mercyflush - Jul 27, 2011 at 9:11 AM

        “I don’t think so Mercy, I haven’t been saying he’s a 4th ace or anything of the sort but the kid, which should be stressed he’s a ROOKIE, has numbers comparable or even better than many HOF pitchers had during their rookie years. I’m not saying he projects as one, I’m saying Philly needs to see more of this guy before they trade him away for an OF. He has been getting better with every start imo.”

        A) stop with the comparisons to other pitchers (HOF or not, even though that’s a ridiculous thing to say). We’re talking about an incredibly small sample size, and if I’m not mistaken only the Mets have seen him more than once (with one bad result and one good result, the 2nd and 3rd time).

        B) the “getting better with every start” thing is meaningless. The guy is what he is. His stuff is good not great. Like I said, his BABIP is .254, which is incredibly low. When it levels out (which it will, because it always does), he’s not going to be pitching to a 2.02 ERA. His FIP is currently 3.27, and his xFIP is 3.99. when you factor in the point about most lineups he’s facing have never seen him… again, a good, solid #4, a #3 at best.

        I’m not saying I’d dump him for a rental like Beltran. And of course I’m not trying to belittle him – he’s helping the Phillies win games. But I would 100% include him if it’ll get me Pence, who is under team control for 2 seasons after this one.

      • Jonny 5 - Jul 27, 2011 at 11:58 AM

        I like comparing pitchers, you can put blinders to his stats compared to other persons rookie seasons if you’d like. The fact is even if he is a solid 4 or 3 pitcher at his salary you don’t trade him for Pence imo when you “could” need him this season and “will” need him next (barring another big deal) You seem ready to knash your teeth at people overestimating Worley and NOBODY is doing that here. I already was aware of his numbers before you felt the need to throw them out there. I still don’t think he’s bait for Pence, Brown would be my preference at this time.

      • Jonny 5 - Jul 27, 2011 at 12:12 PM

        “the “getting better with every start” thing is meaningless.”

        Getting better is now meaningless. That’s just stupid.

      • evanwins - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:15 PM

        @mercy
        How are you so certain of the future? Most people speculate but you seem he’ll bent on stating your opinions as fact.

        You state Worley would be a good #3 or #4 starter. Well, for rookie, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th year, i’ll take that. To be that coming out of the gate is no small accomplishment, as you make it seem. And with The Phillies current salary commitments for the next few years and projected potential salaries (Hamels), Worley’s controllability becomes even more valuable.

        You also state we should trade him now while his value is high. Yet you are predicting he won’t be that good in the future. Don’t other GM’s know what you know? If so, why would his value be high? Are you really that much smarter than the guys who get paid for this and have been doing it forever?

        And finally, I would really like to see how this kid pans out. Actually see it. Unlike you I don’t know (or pretend to know) the future.

  13. leftywildcat - Jul 26, 2011 at 10:26 PM

    The greater the number of good games Worley puts together, the less likely it is that luck has anything to do with it. He is good, and I would not trade him. I would not move Brown either.

    I don’t believe a trade is essential at this point, especially not a bullpen move, even if it’s expected that the Braves or Giants make moves.

    But I wonder how good a right-handed hitting outfielder or 3rd baseman could we get for Ibanez, Francisco, Blanton and a prospect or two?

    • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 26, 2011 at 10:45 PM

      Nothing. The Phillies would get nothing for that combination of players. Blanton won’t pitch this season and if he does it is out of the bullpen. Ben Francisco is terrible. Ibanez isn’t bad. He gets a bum rap because he makes Pat “The Bat” look consistent, but he is capable of lighting it up in spurts. Nonetheless, the amount of money owed Blanton and Ibanez makes them virtually unmovable.

    • mojosmagic - Jul 27, 2011 at 11:46 AM

      Typical stupid fan trade. We give you our bag of over paid garbage for your good player. Give it up dude.

  14. phillysports266 - Jul 27, 2011 at 7:49 AM

    I’m so glad the trade Vance Worley crowd doesn’t actually work for the Phillies. Worley is a solid starter who is incredibly cheap for the next few years. He’s been pitching lights out since we brought him up. He’s a guy you keep unless someone wows you.

  15. mojosmagic - Jul 27, 2011 at 11:44 AM

    Brown and a lower level pitching prospect for Hunter Spence makes a lot of sense. The Astros get excellent value in the 5 tool Brown and save a lot of money to boot. The Phillies get Spence a more mature right handed bat in their quest for another Championship. Mayberry would replace Ibanenez in left next year.

  16. sotehpr - Jul 28, 2011 at 4:57 AM

    RAJ is getting ready to acquire both Matt Kemp from the LAD and Heath Bell from the SDP… mark my words! ;)

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