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	<title>Comments on: The Dodgers cited for code violations at Vero Beach</title>
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		<title>By: craigbhill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[craigbhill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 17:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For years since the Dodgers left, the city of Vero Beach started leasing the site to organizations who host various sporting events.  Considering the beauty and even the history of the site, the city has done a really bad job inasmuch as the venue stands idle 99% of the time.  That&#039;s not the Dodgers&#039; fault.  My understanding is they don&#039;t even hold little league games there now.  Hell, they could organize a statewide, or at least county-wide tournament there, among many other sports, including soccer, which up till relatively recently was the resident sport.

The amount of property left that belongs to McCourt, not the team, is his responsibility, not the Dodgers&#039;.  The bad shape of that property is his shame, not the Dodgers&#039;.  It isn&#039;t Dodgertown any more because, as noted, Fox gave the property away to the city.  &quot;Dodgertown&quot; has since become the equivalent of &quot;Dodger Nation&quot;, not a specific place they no longer use.  Everyone who hates McCourt should stop following HIS lead in associating the Dodgers with him.  In bankruptcy court, he IS &quot;the Dodgers&quot;.  Outside of bankruptcy court, he isn&#039;t.  Let&#039;s follow that rule of thumb instead.

As for leaving Florida, O&#039;Malley never chose to after the Dodgers left the East.  All things must pass, however, and the idea the Dodgers betrayed Vero is just more East Coast Brooklyn-esque blather.  It made great good sense to fans of the Dodgers to finally put the Dodgers&#039; spring training home close to LA.  VERY FEW DODGER FANS MADE THAT MARCH TRIP TO VERO.  I did twice.  Since they&#039;ve been in Arizona i&#039;ve made that trip 3 times, at a FRACTION of the cost and time, tho will no longer until McCourt is left behind as well.  THAT&#039;S what makes and made sense, not this nonsense about &quot;abandoning&quot; Vero.  Glendale&#039;s proximity to the team&#039;s fan base was a good and smart move, despite the fact it came to pass under McCourt (Fox started that ball rolling 11 years ago).

I would maintain it is the town of Vero Beach that benefitted from having the Dodgers more than the Dodgers benefitted from it, not the reverse.  Had Brooklyn &quot;fans&quot; not stopped going to the games---6 pennants in 10 years brought out 25,000 fans, to a park that held 38,000, on opening day every year, and attendance went south from there---and had Robert Moses, the villain in the exodus, not insisted O&#039;Malley move the Dodgers to Queens rather than let him build a stadium in Brooklyn as he wanted, there would never have been a reason to leave Vero.  That it took the Dodgers almost 50 years to take their spring training home West was 50 years extra revenue and notoriety to the benefit of Vero Beach, and not to the benefit of Dodger fans in Southern California, where the team lived.

So let&#039;s please kill this idiotic nostalgia.  It&#039;s over, East Coast, and about time.  The Dodgers have played about 5 more seasons in Dodger Stadium than they did in Ebbets.  The Dodgers have not resided in that dump for 54 years, already, where few fans bothered to come to the park.  That was THEIR doing, not the Dodgers&#039;.  Ya wanna blame somebody, go kick a Brooklynite.  Get over it, East Coasters, or at least find something new and different  to whine about, something you can actually change.  (You&#039;ve got the Mets, THEY own the territory for the NL, whaddaya want?)  The Dodgers will never leave LA.  It is the cash cow Brooklyn (and Vero) never were, and once McCourt is kicked out, the park in LA will fill anew.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For years since the Dodgers left, the city of Vero Beach started leasing the site to organizations who host various sporting events.  Considering the beauty and even the history of the site, the city has done a really bad job inasmuch as the venue stands idle 99% of the time.  That&#8217;s not the Dodgers&#8217; fault.  My understanding is they don&#8217;t even hold little league games there now.  Hell, they could organize a statewide, or at least county-wide tournament there, among many other sports, including soccer, which up till relatively recently was the resident sport.</p>
<p>The amount of property left that belongs to McCourt, not the team, is his responsibility, not the Dodgers&#8217;.  The bad shape of that property is his shame, not the Dodgers&#8217;.  It isn&#8217;t Dodgertown any more because, as noted, Fox gave the property away to the city.  &#8220;Dodgertown&#8221; has since become the equivalent of &#8220;Dodger Nation&#8221;, not a specific place they no longer use.  Everyone who hates McCourt should stop following HIS lead in associating the Dodgers with him.  In bankruptcy court, he IS &#8220;the Dodgers&#8221;.  Outside of bankruptcy court, he isn&#8217;t.  Let&#8217;s follow that rule of thumb instead.</p>
<p>As for leaving Florida, O&#8217;Malley never chose to after the Dodgers left the East.  All things must pass, however, and the idea the Dodgers betrayed Vero is just more East Coast Brooklyn-esque blather.  It made great good sense to fans of the Dodgers to finally put the Dodgers&#8217; spring training home close to LA.  VERY FEW DODGER FANS MADE THAT MARCH TRIP TO VERO.  I did twice.  Since they&#8217;ve been in Arizona i&#8217;ve made that trip 3 times, at a FRACTION of the cost and time, tho will no longer until McCourt is left behind as well.  THAT&#8217;S what makes and made sense, not this nonsense about &#8220;abandoning&#8221; Vero.  Glendale&#8217;s proximity to the team&#8217;s fan base was a good and smart move, despite the fact it came to pass under McCourt (Fox started that ball rolling 11 years ago).</p>
<p>I would maintain it is the town of Vero Beach that benefitted from having the Dodgers more than the Dodgers benefitted from it, not the reverse.  Had Brooklyn &#8220;fans&#8221; not stopped going to the games&#8212;6 pennants in 10 years brought out 25,000 fans, to a park that held 38,000, on opening day every year, and attendance went south from there&#8212;and had Robert Moses, the villain in the exodus, not insisted O&#8217;Malley move the Dodgers to Queens rather than let him build a stadium in Brooklyn as he wanted, there would never have been a reason to leave Vero.  That it took the Dodgers almost 50 years to take their spring training home West was 50 years extra revenue and notoriety to the benefit of Vero Beach, and not to the benefit of Dodger fans in Southern California, where the team lived.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s please kill this idiotic nostalgia.  It&#8217;s over, East Coast, and about time.  The Dodgers have played about 5 more seasons in Dodger Stadium than they did in Ebbets.  The Dodgers have not resided in that dump for 54 years, already, where few fans bothered to come to the park.  That was THEIR doing, not the Dodgers&#8217;.  Ya wanna blame somebody, go kick a Brooklynite.  Get over it, East Coasters, or at least find something new and different  to whine about, something you can actually change.  (You&#8217;ve got the Mets, THEY own the territory for the NL, whaddaya want?)  The Dodgers will never leave LA.  It is the cash cow Brooklyn (and Vero) never were, and once McCourt is kicked out, the park in LA will fill anew.</p>
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		<title>By: craigbhill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[craigbhill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, you&#039;re right, cursed by the hangers-on of dead old dreams.

As soon as the Dodgers arrived from the sh*ithole it left behind, attendance doubled and championships quintupled.  Eat sh*t NYers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you&#8217;re right, cursed by the hangers-on of dead old dreams.</p>
<p>As soon as the Dodgers arrived from the sh*ithole it left behind, attendance doubled and championships quintupled.  Eat sh*t NYers.</p>
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		<title>By: floridaboy44</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 07:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is so sad (but not surprising) how badly the McCourts have treated Vero Beach. That city was so loyal to the Dodger organization for 60 years and treated them so well, and then the McCourts moved the team to Arizona as quickly as they could. They claimed it was so the Dodgers could train closer to their fans in California, but more than likely it was because they thought they could make more money there. And now Vero Beach is not legally allowed to call the complex Dodgertown and McCourt won&#039;t keep his property maintained, adding further insult to injury.
To answer a previously-asked question, the Dodgertown complex is much bigger than 3.4 acres. McCourt only owns 3.4 acres of land there. Fox, the Dodgers&#039; previous owner, sold the complex to the city of Vero Beach in 2001 (it was part of a deal that was supposed to keep the Dodgers&#039; spring training in Vero Beach). McCourt probably owns a piece of land in one corner of the complex that wasn&#039;t part of that sale.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is so sad (but not surprising) how badly the McCourts have treated Vero Beach. That city was so loyal to the Dodger organization for 60 years and treated them so well, and then the McCourts moved the team to Arizona as quickly as they could. They claimed it was so the Dodgers could train closer to their fans in California, but more than likely it was because they thought they could make more money there. And now Vero Beach is not legally allowed to call the complex Dodgertown and McCourt won&#8217;t keep his property maintained, adding further insult to injury.<br />
To answer a previously-asked question, the Dodgertown complex is much bigger than 3.4 acres. McCourt only owns 3.4 acres of land there. Fox, the Dodgers&#8217; previous owner, sold the complex to the city of Vero Beach in 2001 (it was part of a deal that was supposed to keep the Dodgers&#8217; spring training in Vero Beach). McCourt probably owns a piece of land in one corner of the complex that wasn&#8217;t part of that sale.</p>
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		<title>By: nightman13</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nightman13]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trash violations?  Was one of the McCourts spotted on the premises?  HEEEY-YO Ba dum bum

Perhaps they couldn&#039;t afford to pay someone to maintain the property.  If you&#039;re spending $10,000 on a hair stylist can you imagine what a landscaper would cost?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trash violations?  Was one of the McCourts spotted on the premises?  HEEEY-YO Ba dum bum</p>
<p>Perhaps they couldn&#8217;t afford to pay someone to maintain the property.  If you&#8217;re spending $10,000 on a hair stylist can you imagine what a landscaper would cost?</p>
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		<title>By: georgeanderson2</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[georgeanderson2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These ownership groups need to be held accountable for  what they do while holding the keys to these cities sports teams. The teams and leagues are bigger then than the owners and players. MLB should clean this up and send a bill to the Dodgers(sure they are in a battle right now, but MLB oversees the teams and makes the rules, stop crapping on the fans and cities).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These ownership groups need to be held accountable for  what they do while holding the keys to these cities sports teams. The teams and leagues are bigger then than the owners and players. MLB should clean this up and send a bill to the Dodgers(sure they are in a battle right now, but MLB oversees the teams and makes the rules, stop crapping on the fans and cities).</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Gator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I was actively flying I used to go to Vero Beach for refresher training on my Malibu at Piper Aircraft, and spent some pleasant times at Dodgertown. Met Sandy Koufax in a local Dodgers-interest bar and restaurant by the beach once, too. Quiet but pleasant. But yeah, they must have sold off a lot of property if they&#039;re only down to 3.4 acres now. It doesn&#039;t surprise me that the McCourt cabal hasn&#039;t kept it clean - but then, the pygmy rattlesnakes (like my beloved little Friendo) and gopher tortoises must be lovin&#039; the hell out of the peace and quiet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was actively flying I used to go to Vero Beach for refresher training on my Malibu at Piper Aircraft, and spent some pleasant times at Dodgertown. Met Sandy Koufax in a local Dodgers-interest bar and restaurant by the beach once, too. Quiet but pleasant. But yeah, they must have sold off a lot of property if they&#8217;re only down to 3.4 acres now. It doesn&#8217;t surprise me that the McCourt cabal hasn&#8217;t kept it clean &#8211; but then, the pygmy rattlesnakes (like my beloved little Friendo) and gopher tortoises must be lovin&#8217; the hell out of the peace and quiet.</p>
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		<title>By: dogsweat1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dogsweat1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The curse of moving to Los Angeles lives!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The curse of moving to Los Angeles lives!!</p>
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		<title>By: deathmonkey41</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[deathmonkey41]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When are the Dodgers going to be cited for the garbage at the major league level?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When are the Dodgers going to be cited for the garbage at the major league level?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard In Big D</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard In Big D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The whole compex is 3.4 acres, and there&#039;s a house on it? A single Major league field is over 2 acres, with not fou territory, seating, bullpens, etc.  They had to have sold off some of the property previously, perhaps to make minor league payroll one month...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole compex is 3.4 acres, and there&#8217;s a house on it? A single Major league field is over 2 acres, with not fou territory, seating, bullpens, etc.  They had to have sold off some of the property previously, perhaps to make minor league payroll one month&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: yankeesgameday</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m out of metaphors for the McCourts and the Dodgers.  When even Dodgertown is left abandoned like some ancient amusement park the whole thing is just plain sad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m out of metaphors for the McCourts and the Dodgers.  When even Dodgertown is left abandoned like some ancient amusement park the whole thing is just plain sad.</p>
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