Comments on: The Phillies “will do whatever it takes” at the trade deadline http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/ Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball. Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:51:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Utley's Hair http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-169280 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:16:04 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-169280 Take a look at his contract—he most assuredly is not poor. Besides, he’s most likely done for the rest of the season, or at least for a good while more.

]]> By: drmonkeyarmy http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-169245 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:35:58 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-169245 Jayson Stark: “Ruben is trying to do something big. I think they will do something. What he wants to do might be something he can’t do.” Makes you wonder what RAJ has in mind.

]]> By: modogg42 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-169173 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:17:11 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-169173 poor Joe Blanton :(

]]> By: Utley's Hair http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-169139 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:28:44 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-169139 Potatohead is a Cards fan.

]]> By: kellyb9 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-169122 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:06:35 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-169122 I’ve never seen or heard anyone refer to 30 million as a small dollar difference. I guess it’s nice being a Yankees fan.

]]> By: dwil12 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-169116 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:03:02 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-169116 melky cabrera over pence thats just stupid. cabrera is having a good year but come on look at his whole career. and pence’s career numbers are very similar besides triples, avg, and OPS. still hes a career .281 hitter on the road. the major difference between his slugging and OPS is the fact that he has 21 career triples in houston and only 3 on the road. yes pence’s home/road splits are much different in this season alone but you also have to take into account that his home numbers this year are much higher than his career home numbers. i would like to see pence have a higher OBP but he is certainly a better option than cabrera. and when it comes to beltran from what they have been saying the mets have been asking for him how can you even say that by trading for him wouldnt be mortgaging the future and trading for pence would?

]]> By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-169101 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:54:55 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-169101

The Yankees are worlds apart from that model. Once upon a time, they produced homegrown talent and made shrewd free agent signings. Now they just throw as much money as possible out there and whatever sticks is where they wind up.

Count the number of non-pitchers* that were signed as a FA on the Yankees then realize how idiotic this line of thinking is.

]]> By: wlschneider09 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-169058 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:14:38 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-169058 Don’t be silly UH, the Phillies have to share ESPN with the Yankees and Red Sox.

]]> By: Utley's Hair http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-169038 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:44:42 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-169038 That movie was effed up.

]]> By: drmonkeyarmy http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-169031 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:38:05 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-169031 That’s the thing, I don’t think getting Beltran now would mortgage the future success of the team. I think trading for Pence would.

]]> By: Jonny 5 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-169029 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:35:00 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-169029 I have no legs, I have no legs…. Ahhh, the movie that single handedly cut down on teenage boys getting laid by a significant amount, for years….. “kids”

]]> By: Utley's Hair http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-169027 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:31:57 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-169027 Thanks for that. No…really…thanks, Jonny.

]]> By: Utley's Hair http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-169025 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:27:25 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-169025 I don’t want to see a rental come in here, at the potential cost of the future. I will say that Joe Banner is probably seething and fuming, as he waits to be able to reclaim a majority of the sports yammering being thrown around here.

]]> By: Jonny 5 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-169015 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:18:27 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-169015 This one was stuck in my head for YEARS!!! It was agony.

]]> By: drmonkeyarmy http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-169011 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:06:28 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-169011 Keith Law has Phillies ranked 5th.

]]> By: yardleyphils http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-169001 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:56:11 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-169001 What Ranking system has us 5th? Baseball America “Organization Talent Rankings” has us 10th. I believe that’s a rank of the whole minor league system talent level.

]]> By: phukyouk http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-168997 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:51:23 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-168997 gddamn u for getting that song stuck I’m my head. its worse than the 1-877kars4kids song on 880 apox on u.

]]> By: drmonkeyarmy http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-168991 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:45:53 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-168991 The Phillies have the 5th rated minor league organization. The cupboard is know where near bare. At the higher levels of the organization there is not much in terms of prospects (Aumont, DeFratus, Schwimmer…all relief arms) but the lower levels are stocked to the brims. They need to develop some middle infield prospects, though. They are loaded with outfielders and pitchers.

]]> By: Utley's Hair http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-168990 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:44:13 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-168990 One major difference between the Phightins and the Yankers that is quite often overlooked—whether intentionally or not—the Phils won, and then spent—some of which was necessary to keep guys—to try to keep winning. The Yankers weren’t winning, spent, still weren’t winning, spent more, and kept spending until they did win. The Borg also set the standard for massive FA signings.

]]> By: Andy Hoover http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-168989 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:44:03 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-168989 Before Lee, their biggest FA signing was Placido Polanco, and he was a former Phillie they acquired originally via the Scott Rolen trade. They traded for Halladay and Oswalt. And they would have never been in the running for Lee if they had not traded for him in 2009.

They’ve given up a lot more than money to get the team they have. They’re not just throwing money around.

Yes, the Phillies are spending, but they’ve built their team in a very comprehensive way.

]]> By: drmonkeyarmy http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-168986 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:42:30 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-168986 Kemp was always my unrealistic pipe dream. If they are truly in win now mode, Beltran is the guy. Yes he is a rental, but a rental with a ridiculous OPS that is significantly higher than Pence’s. Furthermore, Beltran has post season experience and will bring it in October. We don’t know about Pence. Beltran would also benefit from playing in the hitter friendly park that is CBP, where as Pence already sees that benefit and struggles on the road. Also, it is unlikely that they have to give any of their “elite” prospects for him while Pence would take a fortune. I was a big Pence guy too. Then I delved into the numbers and discovered that he is kind of over rated….at least for the pot of gold in prospects the Astros would ask for. I honestly believe that Brown will be better than Pence next season. Lastly, Pence would not be better suited than Victorino (who is from Hawaii) to hit behind Howard. Shane has a much higher OPS and has shown more power than Pence this year. As I said, if you don’t want to go with Beltran, then Melky is the way to go. The difference in production is not all that great, while the cost would be.

]]> By: spudchukar http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-168984 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:37:52 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-168984 Nor did I claim you should.

]]> By: spudchukar http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-168979 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:35:30 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-168979 Currently the Philthies payroll is 85% of the grossly different Yankees, a mere 15% difference. Coming in at #2 and ahead of the Red Sox the MLB Philadelphia payroll is 173 mil to the #1 Yanks 203 mil. Hardly a stark difference.

]]> By: Utley's Hair http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-168977 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:33:51 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-168977 NO BELTRAN, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!

What happened to Kemp?

]]> By: yardleyphils http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-168975 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:32:41 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-168975 the reason Phillies fans have a tough time shaking the underdog mentality is because our team has had brief runs of success with many years of futility in between. I’m 37 years old and for the vast majority of my years as a fan the bad outweighed the good. It’s still difficult to believe this franchise is what it is right now.

]]> By: gammagammahey http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-168974 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:32:22 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-168974 The Yankees at their peak were built around a homegrown core of Jeter, Bernie, Mariano, Posada, Pettite, and others. They went away from that in the middle part of this decade but are coming back to that model moreso, though they’re obviously laden with some long-term FA signings that aren’t going anywhere. Really every team in MLB is realizing that high-priced FAs aren’t worth the giant long-term contracts that they were getting, especially now that steroids are gone and players are more likely to fade in their early-to-mid thirties like they did back in the ’80′s.

]]> By: heyblueyoustink http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-168972 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:29:58 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-168972 Spud, it’s far better than the days of not being able to sign JD Drew, and seeing Curtis Montadue Shilling and Scott Rolen leave for next to peanuts in compensation………

We never should have been a small market team to begin with. Years of incompetent management is what led to the mindset that Greg Jeffries, Todd Zeile, and Omar Daal and the like would put this team in contention.

And me personally, I don’t think they have to apologize for any of it……

]]> By: yardleyphils http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-168971 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:29:50 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-168971 from what Ruben keeps telling us though, the cupboard is almost bare, I don’t know what the farm systems for BOS or NYY look like

]]> By: yardleyphils http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-168969 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:28:12 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-168969 Beltran in Phillies uni turns my stomach a little. I like the idea of Pence better, because he can stick around longer and extend the current run for a few more years. I think Beltran is purely a rental, but I don’t know his career all that well. Plus I think Pence has a deserved reputation as a character guy.

]]> By: Utley's Hair http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/the-phillies-will-do-whatever-it-takes-at-the-trade-deadline/comment-page-1/#comment-168967 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:26:50 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=74107#comment-168967 ESPN?

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