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Colby Rasmus to Blue Jays, Edwin Jackson to Cardinals in eight-player swap

Jul 27, 2011, 12:46 PM EDT

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Sounds like the other shoe is about to drop.

According to Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post Dispatch the Blue Jays have agreed to flip Edwin Jackson to the Cardinals along with relievers Octavio Dotel and Marc Rzepczynski for center fielder Colby Rasmus. Buster Olney of says Toronto will also get Trever Miller, Brian Tallet, and P.J. Walters, while Corey Patterson is included in the package heading to St. Louis.

Jackson was acquired this morning from the White Sox along with Mark Teahen for Jason Frasor and Zach Stewart, so this is essentially a three-team trade with the Blue Jays kicking in a little something extra to make the second part work.

Rasmus’ ongoing feud with manager Tony La Russa made it clear that he wasn’t destined to be a fixture in St. Louis, but the Cardinals appear to be selling very low on a 24-year-old center fielder with elite upside.

Jackson is a solid mid-rotation starter, but he’s also a free agent after the season. Dotel is a solid setup man, but he’s also 37 years old. And if Marc Rzepczynski is the biggest long-term piece acquired in exchange for Rasmus … well, general manager John Mozeliak has some explaining to do.

Maybe time will show that Rasmus feuding with La Russa was a sign of much bigger future issues to come, but from a pure talent-for-talent standpoint this deal is a clear win for Toronto.

  1. Ari Collins - Jul 27, 2011 at 12:50 PM

    AA is now officially one of the best GMs out there.

    Take all that money saved and get Prince this offseason and one of the Hamels/Weaver/Cain/Danks/Marcum/Greinke group the next, and alluvasudden you’ve got four of the best teams in baseball in the AL East.

    • phillyphever - Jul 27, 2011 at 12:56 PM

      Hate to burst your bubble, but Hamels is staying in Philly. As for the trade: you can thank LaRussa for Rasmus

      • Ari Collins - Jul 27, 2011 at 12:57 PM

        We’ll see on Hamels, but yeah, half those guys will be resigned before the ’12-’13 offseason. That leaves 3 or 4 studs on the market, though.

    • SOBEIT - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:14 PM

      Add another bubble burst, because there is no way the Giants trade Cain. You can have Zito though for a bag of balls.

      • seanmk - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:17 PM

        he never said anything about trading for cain. he’s a free agent along with those other guys in 2012 offseason as of right now

  2. proudlycanadian - Jul 27, 2011 at 12:51 PM

    So now the Jays have an extra outfielder! What else does AA have left in his bag of tricks? I still see a trade with Colorado.

  3. b7p19 - Jul 27, 2011 at 12:52 PM

    Wow, good for the Jays. This team is becoming more and more interesting to me. Now if only they could get out of the AL East…

  4. Jonny 5 - Jul 27, 2011 at 12:53 PM

    He’s going to LOVE it up there in October… Because He’ll be on vacation in Florida in October.

    Hmm? Is this when the Phillies make a trade for Bautista. He’s a RH bat. Charlie has a smug look lately when he brings up RH bats.

    • Ari Collins - Jul 27, 2011 at 12:57 PM

      Uhhh. NO.

      • Jonny 5 - Jul 27, 2011 at 12:58 PM

        Just sayin’ Philly has scouted him.

      • b7p19 - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:01 PM

        HAHA. And you argue about not being like the Yankees…

      • Jonny 5 - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:12 PM

        Who does? Not me. And aren’t I entitled to have a wish list too?

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:21 PM

        Dream big Jonny. I like it. I will continue to think Matt Kemp, you think Bautista.

      • Jonny 5 - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:24 PM

        Word drmonkey, Word. (Fist bump)

      • Chris Fiorentino - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:35 PM

        It’s funny that Hamels and Bautista were mentioned in the same comments section. My friend texted me earlier the following deal …

        Bautista for Hamels/Dom Brown/Bastardo

        I don’t think either side does it, but it’s a pretty intriguing trade on both sides. Definitely a win-now for the Phillies. But I doubt the Jays would trade Bautista no matter how good the package is…seems like he is their Pujols right now.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 27, 2011 at 2:13 PM

        That would be a terrible trade for the Phillies. Terrible.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Jul 27, 2011 at 2:30 PM

        It affects game 3 and 7 of the NLCS and World Series, but you have to admit, a lineup of Rollins, Utley, Bautista, Howard is pretty amazing. And if Oswalt gets back into form, he can step into games 3 and 7 just fine. Yeah, the future is shot, but that deal practically hands the Phillies the 2011 World Series.

  5. seanmk - Jul 27, 2011 at 12:53 PM

    rajai davis or corey paterson is tradable now

    • b7p19 - Jul 27, 2011 at 12:59 PM

      I’m pretty sure both of those guys will ALWAYS be tradable.

    • seanmk - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:14 PM

      paterson is actually in the deal. brian talet going to the cardinals and trever miller going to the white sox

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:22 PM

        Oh? Patterson makes a lot of mental errors. Tallet and Miller have both been Blue Jays in the past. A lot of left handed relief pitchers seem to have been traded today.

  6. foreverchipper10 - Jul 27, 2011 at 12:55 PM

    Sigh. I really wanted Rasmus in ATL.

  7. bobulated - Jul 27, 2011 at 12:57 PM

    Hopefully the change of scenery does Rasmus as much good as it did Escobar.

  8. trevorb06 - Jul 27, 2011 at 12:59 PM

    To salvage, the Cards need to make Marc Rzepczynski a starter again.

    AA is probably the best GM out there right now. Tell me any other GM who’s pulled so many incredible deals in one season.

    • seanmk - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:18 PM

      ruben amaro jr?

      • Utley's Hair - Jul 27, 2011 at 2:41 PM


    • hittfamily - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:19 PM

      Not trading James Shields, and instead trading Matt Garza for the 4 best players in the Cubs system. Casey Kotchmann, signed to minor league deal, hitting .331 with an .854 ops and 2nd highest WAR among all available offseason first baseman, behind Konerko. Kyle Farnsworth, sub 2.00 ERA with 4 blown saves. Letting K machine Pena walk. 12 of the first 69 draft picks.

      Great move by AA, but AF has a claim to best 1 year GM as well.

      • trevorb06 - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:41 PM

        Lucky moves in Kotchman and Farnsworth.

      • hittfamily - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:43 PM

        With a 30 million dollar budget, he sure seems to get lucky a lot, huh.

      • trevorb06 - Jul 27, 2011 at 2:22 PM

        Really?! You predicted that Kotchman and Farnsworth would be having the good seasons they’re having? WOW!

        Wait… what are the lotto numbers tonight?!

      • hittfamily - Jul 27, 2011 at 3:15 PM

        No. I didn’t. I don’t know what any of my comments would suggest I did. I didn’t say I’m a great GM. I said Friedman is. He goes dumpster diving and finds gems every year. Benoit comes in for league minimum, and leaves 16 million richer. Soriano comes in as a closer castoff, and leaves 20x million dollars richer. Matt Joyce was a throwaway, and made an all-star game. Kazmir was traded weeks before he turned back into a pumpkin. Longo is locked up for an 8 year 46 million dollar contract, possibly the greatest contract ever for a team. His top 5 prospects were all drafted after the 4th round. He trades for Ben Zobrist, a switch hitting utility man. Zobrist has become the most versatile guy in the league. He is leading all of baseball in doubles, never has to be pinch hit for/run for, and can play 7 positions, allowing an extra pitcher in the bullpen.

        Boy, Andrew Friedman gets lucky a lot!!!

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:27 PM

      Tell me any other GM who’s pulled so many incredible deals in one season.

      The problem, c.f. Jack Z., is that he hasn’t had enough time at GM to make any bad moves. It started with Theo making a couple of great trades, but he’s probably evened out. The Rays GM was the next big thing, then we have the Burrell signing. Then Jack Z was “it”, and then Chone Figgins.

      AA has done really well so far*, but let’s see the actual product deliver on the field before annointing him the savior.

      *Some credit needs to be given to Kenny Williams and Arte Moreno for those idiotic moves as well.

      • Ari Collins - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:35 PM

        Theo hasn’t made bad moves. He’s just made FA buys, which don’t work half the time. That’s why the core of nearly any good team is trades and prospects.

        But your point stands. AA now has to take all the money he saved and spend it reasonably well in FA.

  9. agilmore1080 - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:00 PM

    I’m about done with the Cardinals. This trade sucks. As soon as they botch the Pujols negotiations this summer I will be done. John Mozeliak is to Walt Jocketty what Tino Martinez was to Albert Pujols.

    • b7p19 - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:04 PM

      If they actually let Pujols walk, you have every reason to revolt.

  10. spudchukar - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:05 PM

    Well Cur, I guess my offerings regarding Dotel, include one more franchise. I feared this cause I know the Cards have shown interest in him before. Yesterday, I took a lot of heat when rumors of a deal with the Nats was surfacing, but in my humble opinion that would have been a much better option than the current one. All three hurlers have major issues, and I do not have much faith in the trio. Maybe Jackson can blossom, I know he has pitched well recently. Rzepczynski has also been pretty good out of the pen and may help them vs. lefties, but as for Dotel, I cannot find a thread of hope. Time will tell, but Yikes this looks awful.

    • spudchukar - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM

      Oh great Corey Patterson to boot! At least we dumped Miller, Tallet, and Walters, so there is that.

      • paperlions - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:24 PM

        Looks like we pretty much agree on this one spud. I don’t see how this deal really helps this year, and if Berkman, Holliday, or Jay go down (two of which have been missing games recently), we better hope that Craig comes back and contributes.

        Too bad both Skip and Erriot weren’t shipped off….that may have made the deal at least palatable.

      • chadh88 - Jul 27, 2011 at 2:15 PM

        So what are the Cards going to look like next year when we don’t sign Berkman? No way are Craig and Jay everyday fielders. And still no middle infielders. Really making an attractive team for Pujols.

    • cur68 - Jul 28, 2011 at 3:42 AM

      Dotel gone? And to the Cardinals, yet? Really? I’ve driven nearly 600 miles in the past 2 days. I’ve just got home after selling my house, meeting with my grad committee and moving the last of my household stuff, but this absolutely rejuvenates me. The pudgy scourge is no more in the Beavermen’s bullpen, praise be to Jobu. I knew the big glass of Canadian Club would do the trick!

      And do my tired eyes deceive me or did we get Rasmus and shed Patterson? That would be “Adventures in Fielding” Corey Patterson to whom I refer. So the Jays have gone from weak-a$$ed pitcher and fielder to a better bat and a likely up-grade in center.

      Well played Anthopolous. {Golf clap}

      I guess Tony LaRussa DID have a big boat he wanted to anchor, eh Spuddy?

  11. missthedayswhenwedidnthavetologin - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:07 PM

    I guess Colbs can thank Pop for being dealt to a team who will be playing third or fourth banana in their division for the foreseeable future XD Sorry Drew

    • The Common Man - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:14 PM

      That’s crazy. This is exactly the kind of trade that brings in the kind of talent the Blue Jays need to transcend that label. And AA has done it two years in a row with this and the Escobar deal.

      • Jonny 5 - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:23 PM

        It still isn’t enough to be better than NY or Boston. AA has more work to do to get to that point. By the time they have a shot at the WC Bautista will be done his peak. AA should trade him for another boatload of prospects imo.

    • Kevin S. - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:17 PM

      Are they? I’m convinced the Jays make a big splash on Fielder or Pujols this winter, and I think they cash in on their farm system to get a legit ace (Ublaldo?).

  12. birdsnblues - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM

    Rasmus has a problem dealing with authority… He does what he wants… And if Pujols wants to ruin his career by going to the cubs… Cya

    • The Common Man - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:12 PM

      And I don’t like winning. So we all win!

    • paperlions - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:15 PM

      It isn’t like Colby is only the first, second, or 3rd player that LaRussa has butted head with and run out of town.

      Having problems with LaRussa and having problems with authority are not the same things.

  13. anotheryx - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM

    Andrew Friedman, Alex Anthopoulos, Theo Epstein, Brian Cashman, Andy MacPhail
    One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn’t belong/

    • anotheryx - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:13 PM

      Bonus clue, it’s the one with fail in name.

  14. Kevin S. - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:10 PM

    AA owns all. And where was Frank Wren on this?

  15. crispybasil - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:10 PM

    This is exactly the type of horrible trade that the CPU accepts in MLB2K or The Show.

  16. The Common Man - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:11 PM

    Dear Brewers and Pirates,

    Please enjoy this NL Central Division Crown that I’ve specially gift-wrapped just for you. I’m sure one of you will enjoy it.

    Tony LaRussa, Esq.
    St. Louis Cardinals

    • Ari Collins - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:23 PM

      I think this makes the Cardinals better for this year. They get a lot of ‘pen help and an excellent starting pitcher.

      It’s the future that they’ve mortgaged. Should’ve traded TLR instead.

    • emoser - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:28 PM

      Why is Tony LaRussa a lawyer in your post?

      • The Common Man - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:39 PM

        Because Tony LaRussa is a lawyer, in that he has a law degree and has passed (I assume) the bar somewhere at some point.

      • spudchukar - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:41 PM

        Because in real life, he has a degree in law.

      • emoser - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:49 PM

        Well there you go. Didn’t realize that.

      • hittfamily - Jul 27, 2011 at 4:01 PM

        He skipped the day they covered driving under the influence.

  17. paperlions - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:13 PM

    This trade sucks.

    • paperlions - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:16 PM

      At least Miller and Tallet are gone….small consolation.

      • paperlions - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:17 PM

        ….but Cory Patterson? Seriously?

      • spudchukar - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:47 PM

        Sure seems to suck. I understand Jackson, Rzepczynski, and even Dotel, but Corey Patterson, what possible use is he to St. Louis, unless we hope to flip him, but who would want him? The 2-month rental issue is really not particularly pertinent, when you have Wainwright returning, a trial run, if you will. As Gleeman said, “There is some splainin’ to do Lucy”.

  18. icanspeel - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:13 PM

    Good move by the Blue Jays, it may be too late this year to compete for the playoffs, but they are building a fine foundation for next year if anything.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:23 PM

      Maybe they can get 3rd place in the AL East next season.

  19. tophermike - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:25 PM

    i wonder if this was at all out of spite (sending him to the blue jays). great move by blue jays, but you gotta love how the Cardinals sent him about as far from Atlanta (where daddy wanted him). long-time birds fan, but this trade is rough for me. chemistry is important, but i hate to see such potential traded away for little in return.

    • FC - Jul 27, 2011 at 2:23 PM

      No, no, no, sending him to SEATTLE would have been out of spite….

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 27, 2011 at 3:15 PM

        Laugh of the day.

  20. thefalcon123 - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:26 PM

    I think this has every chance to top 1974’s infamous trade that sent Jose Cruz to the Astros in exchange for nothing at all as the worst trade in Cardinals history.

    • paperlions - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:36 PM

      How about Haren, Barton, and Kalero for Mulder? That was a nice one.

    • aburns77 - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:37 PM

      Agreed, I can’t believe that a cost controlled and talented CFer with power was given away for spare parts like this by the Cards. I don’t care how much LaRussa dislikes him the Cards could not have traded Colby at a worse time, they’re going to seriously rue the day they pulled the trigger on this.

    • cardfan9 - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:46 PM

      Worst trade? Have you never heard of Steve Carlton

    • thefalcon123 - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:48 PM

      Actually, Steve Carlton for Rick Wise obviously takes the cake. I can’t believe I forgot about that.

      Haren, Barton and Kalero for Mulder isn’t as bad…because it was only five years ago. It gets worse with each passing day.

  21. thefalcon123 - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:34 PM

    So…the Cardinals traded one of the league’s best young talents, who despite his troubles, still has a 111 OPS+ and is cost controlled for another 4 years because Kyle McClellan is a below average but hardly terrible 5th starter?

    And really, I think Cory Patterson was thrown in just to re-affirm the point that this is a stupid, absurd, ridiculous trade. Anyone who gets Cory Patterson in a trade automatically loses it.

    • thefalcon123 - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:37 PM

      And it should be noted: Jackson is a free agent after this year anyway. This is fucking inexcusable.

  22. deathmonkey41 - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:45 PM

    Best GM in baseball? I must have missed the part where Rasmus wasn’t an underachieving headcase who goes crying to his Daddy when he doesn’t like what the coaches are saying…

    • thefalcon123 - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:49 PM

      Did you miss the part where Rasmus lead all CF’s in OPS last year at age 23, and despite his well noted struggles, still has a 111 OPS+, is cost controlled four more years?

      • deathmonkey41 - Jul 27, 2011 at 2:11 PM

        Who cares if he’s cost controlled? Can he play? Does he only hustle when he wants to? Will he go home crying to Daddy if he disagrees with his coaches again? There’s a lot of guys who had tremendous potential that are no longer playing in the majors because potential will only get you so far. I’m not saying the dude’s no good- but the dude certainly had maturity issues he needs to work out the reliance on his father concerns me- reminds me of Eric Lindross. I just think before the world crowns AA the King of Kings, maybe we should see if Colby’s potential turns into stardom or incredible disappointment.

      • FC - Jul 27, 2011 at 2:25 PM

        Roberto Alomar Bobblehead Day is looking like a good day for Baseball, get to see the new product on the field…

      • aaronmoreno - Jul 27, 2011 at 3:26 PM

        A disappointing Rasmus is better than a hustling Patterson.

    • thefalcon123 - Jul 27, 2011 at 2:18 PM

      Can he play? Yes. As evidenced by his leading all CFs in OPS last year and having a 111 OPS+ this year.

      • deathmonkey41 - Jul 27, 2011 at 2:37 PM

        Really? Just going to keep going back there? So, if he continues on his obvious decline, fights with his coaches in Toronto like he did in St. Louis, and is washed up in baseball in a few years, we can deem his career a success because he lead CFs in OPS in 2010?

      • Kevin S. - Jul 27, 2011 at 3:52 PM

        Please point out the history of fighting with players John Farrell has before assuming that Rasmus will clash with him like he clashed with LaRussa. If anything, Brian Butterfield’s hitting philosophy should be much more to Colby’s liking, given how he wanted to hit vis a vis how St. Louis was trying to make him hit.

      • deathmonkey41 - Jul 27, 2011 at 4:01 PM

        What does this have to do with John Farrell or Butterfield? I’m not aware of a history of LaRussa fighting with players. From what I’ve heard, he’s loyal to a fault with them. This dude is 23 yrs old and running back to Daddy to figure out why he can’t hit instead of working with the professional coaching staff in St. Louis. That shows a lack of maturity on his part. Will he figure it out? Possibly- Possibly not. But my point here is calling AA a genius when it’s still possible that the Blue Jays end up with nothing but a headache in this deal.

  23. whitty05 - Jul 27, 2011 at 1:58 PM

    I think that both teams came out on top with this trade… Cardinals got rid of a troublesome player that didn’t mesh with La Russa; and you can say that not many get along with Tony, but the fact is the guy is one of the best managers in baseball. Also Rasmus had a butting of heads last year when Pujols called him out on not caring about the team. So this move is to prime the pump on keeping Pujols happy.

    As for who the Cardinals got any cardinals fan will tell you that we needed pitching… bad. For the new pitchers coming in there is a man by the name of Dave Duncan he might be one of the greatest pitching coaches ever, he turned Chris Carpenter into a Cy Young winner. As for the Jays I think they will thrive with Rasmus due to the fact that he has change of scenery and he is also very good young talent.

    • Kevin S. - Jul 27, 2011 at 3:57 PM

      The Cardinals should have gotten a significantly better pitcher for one of the top ten CFs in the game. They lost, huge.

  24. 24may98 - Jul 27, 2011 at 2:09 PM

    Gee! Anyone that couldn’t get along with Tony . . . Well, there just must be something wrong with him . I mean Tony so so congenial and friendly – and has always related to young players Really, something must be twisted with Rasmus to confide in his own father instead of genuflecting to Saint Tony..

    • paperlions - Jul 27, 2011 at 2:26 PM

      Couldn’t agree more.

  25. paint771 - Jul 27, 2011 at 2:12 PM

    So to summarize: essentially the Jays have given up one middling-to-good pitching prospect, gotten one middling utility infielder, played musical chairs with the bullpen, and in the end the most discernible difference is they’ve traded Corey Patterson…for Colby Rasmus.

    Hard to argue that AA didn’t earn his pay on this one.

    • FC - Jul 27, 2011 at 2:34 PM

      The Bullpen moves are iffy… Frasor and Marc are better than the trio the Blue Jays got in return…

      • paint771 - Jul 27, 2011 at 2:59 PM

        Don’t get me wrong, the Cards don’t get nothing here. Stewart has legit #3 or 4 starter upside, and I’ve been real impressed with Rez – he can do as a starter in a pinch, and otherwise is a young occasionally dominant left handed reliever, which are in short supply. And Frasor is a stalwart – he’s been real good to the Jays (although since the Jays have given up the ghost on this year, Frasor for Tallet essentially amounts to draft pick for draft pick).

        So you’re right, I think Cards are upgrading their bullpen at the expense of the Jays 2011 bullpen (which is much more important to the Cards than it is to the Jays). But in the end, going from a B+ bullpen this year to a C- minus one as the price for picking up a long-term solution at CF with major all-star upside – cheap? That’s a pretty substantial win for the Jays, any way you slice it.

      • paint771 - Jul 27, 2011 at 3:03 PM

        Errr, wait, I should really get straight who’s going where before I comment.

        Not that it matters from the Jays perspective.

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