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	<title>Comments on: Seventeen straight losses and counting for the Seattle Mariners</title>
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		<title>By: IdahoMariner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IdahoMariner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mariners up 7-1 in the 7th.  Cool.  Hioefully no crow, ari.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mariners up 7-1 in the 7th.  Cool.  Hioefully no crow, ari.</p>
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		<title>By: IdahoMariner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IdahoMariner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[but they aren&#039;t going to get the right price for Felix.  He&#039;s on a pretty reasonable contract, and no one is going to offer up what he&#039;s worth, so why do it?
This was expected to be a year that we wouldn&#039;t go anywhere, just a year to evaluate the youngsters and get them some time in, so this latest nonsense doesn&#039;t change anything, really.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but they aren&#8217;t going to get the right price for Felix.  He&#8217;s on a pretty reasonable contract, and no one is going to offer up what he&#8217;s worth, so why do it?<br />
This was expected to be a year that we wouldn&#8217;t go anywhere, just a year to evaluate the youngsters and get them some time in, so this latest nonsense doesn&#8217;t change anything, really.</p>
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		<title>By: dirtyharry1971</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dirtyharry1971]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 18:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the best part is the M&#039;s say Felix is &quot;untouchable&quot;. Really? On this pathetic team &quot;everyone&quot; should be available for the right price. But thats how the M&#039;s front office works and thats why they can forget the postseason for many years to come. Keep handing infield singles hitters like ichiro 20MIL a year and see where that gets ya....nowhere fast]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the best part is the M&#8217;s say Felix is &#8220;untouchable&#8221;. Really? On this pathetic team &#8220;everyone&#8221; should be available for the right price. But thats how the M&#8217;s front office works and thats why they can forget the postseason for many years to come. Keep handing infield singles hitters like ichiro 20MIL a year and see where that gets ya&#8230;.nowhere fast</p>
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		<title>By: JBerardi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JBerardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s really true. Whatever window they had a few years back is well and truly closed at this point. And it&#039;s rather alarming that the team doesn&#039;t seem to see the problem. The offense scored the fewest runs in the history of the DH-having teams last year, and they&#039;re projected to be about three runs better this year. Forget the statistical arguments here, anyone with eyes can see that this team simply isn&#039;t going to work. They&#039;re going to find themselves in the situation the Astros are in right now, where their major league roster and their minor league system are thin. Rebuilding is hard, but simply &lt;i&gt;building&lt;/i&gt; from scratch is an absolute nightmare.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really true. Whatever window they had a few years back is well and truly closed at this point. And it&#8217;s rather alarming that the team doesn&#8217;t seem to see the problem. The offense scored the fewest runs in the history of the DH-having teams last year, and they&#8217;re projected to be about three runs better this year. Forget the statistical arguments here, anyone with eyes can see that this team simply isn&#8217;t going to work. They&#8217;re going to find themselves in the situation the Astros are in right now, where their major league roster and their minor league system are thin. Rebuilding is hard, but simply <i>building</i> from scratch is an absolute nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: JBerardi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JBerardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe people would pay more attention to the West Coast if any of the big market teams out there could actually get their act together. The Mariners haven&#039;t been to the playoffs since they won 147 games or whatever it was. Why should anyone care? No one cared about the Phillies on a national level five years ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe people would pay more attention to the West Coast if any of the big market teams out there could actually get their act together. The Mariners haven&#8217;t been to the playoffs since they won 147 games or whatever it was. Why should anyone care? No one cared about the Phillies on a national level five years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Gator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess I don&#039;t see the point of hanging on to Felix when the Crew of the Minnow can trade him for a solid core of young ballplayers and prospects. With a bereft farm system, virtually no offense and a &quot;future&quot; at least several years of draft picks away (to being with, and that assuming the picks pan out at all), they idea that Felix can be &quot;built around&quot; seems facetious. I understand how bitter it would be to lose him, but let&#039;s face it - this team is going absolutely nowhere for the foreseeable future if they don&#039;t try to capitalize on him now when he&#039;s at the peak of his value. And who really thinks he&#039;ll stick around for more of the same when he becomes eligible to steal a skiff and paddle off to a goldmine and a contender?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I don&#8217;t see the point of hanging on to Felix when the Crew of the Minnow can trade him for a solid core of young ballplayers and prospects. With a bereft farm system, virtually no offense and a &#8220;future&#8221; at least several years of draft picks away (to being with, and that assuming the picks pan out at all), they idea that Felix can be &#8220;built around&#8221; seems facetious. I understand how bitter it would be to lose him, but let&#8217;s face it &#8211; this team is going absolutely nowhere for the foreseeable future if they don&#8217;t try to capitalize on him now when he&#8217;s at the peak of his value. And who really thinks he&#8217;ll stick around for more of the same when he becomes eligible to steal a skiff and paddle off to a goldmine and a contender?</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Gator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a six hour plus flight nose into the jetstream&#039;s manner of speaking, yes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a six hour plus flight nose into the jetstream&#8217;s manner of speaking, yes.</p>
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		<title>By: marinersnate</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marinersnate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ari,

Problem is that we can not win 0-0.  Even if Felix is perfect through nine, this team can&#039;t hit so it just goes to extras till the Yanks score off the bullpen.

I could be wrong.  I hope that I am wrong.  But I doubt it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ari,</p>
<p>Problem is that we can not win 0-0.  Even if Felix is perfect through nine, this team can&#8217;t hit so it just goes to extras till the Yanks score off the bullpen.</p>
<p>I could be wrong.  I hope that I am wrong.  But I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: APBA Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[APBA Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember that streak like I remember my knee surgery. Painful and enduring. Strictly as a fan, it was horrible, but little did we know it would get worse. Owner Edward Bennett Williams died during that season (1988), which was worse in and of itself, but the team subsequently ended up in Angelos&#039; hands, under whose guidance the team has become a perpetual loser.

The only redeeming feature of the 1988 start were the broadcasting teams, featuring Brooks Robinson on local TV, Jim Palmer on cable, and Jon Miller on radio.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember that streak like I remember my knee surgery. Painful and enduring. Strictly as a fan, it was horrible, but little did we know it would get worse. Owner Edward Bennett Williams died during that season (1988), which was worse in and of itself, but the team subsequently ended up in Angelos&#8217; hands, under whose guidance the team has become a perpetual loser.</p>
<p>The only redeeming feature of the 1988 start were the broadcasting teams, featuring Brooks Robinson on local TV, Jim Palmer on cable, and Jon Miller on radio.</p>
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		<title>By: emeraldcityfan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[emeraldcityfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This streak is the best thing to happen to this team. It has actually made them watchable, which I didn&#039;t even think was possible this year. Go for it M&#039;s!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This streak is the best thing to happen to this team. It has actually made them watchable, which I didn&#8217;t even think was possible this year. Go for it M&#8217;s!</p>
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		<title>By: joebuckiscreepy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joebuckiscreepy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Losing is a disease....&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Losing is a disease&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ari Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ari Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is Seattle cattycorner from Miami?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Seattle cattycorner from Miami?</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Gator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve got some recipes for you, if it comes to that.

But meanwhile I once again wish to empathize with my fellow baseball fans diagonally across the continent from my own tropical dystopia. June was a bitch down here. I feel for you in July. Again, leave the Lenin statue in Fremont alone. All this talk about removing it is what brought this anathema down upon you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got some recipes for you, if it comes to that.</p>
<p>But meanwhile I once again wish to empathize with my fellow baseball fans diagonally across the continent from my own tropical dystopia. June was a bitch down here. I feel for you in July. Again, leave the Lenin statue in Fremont alone. All this talk about removing it is what brought this anathema down upon you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ari Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ari Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember when I guaranteed the Ms would win at least one game of the six-game Sox-Yankees serieses? Prove me right, Felix. Crow ain&#039;t too tasty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember when I guaranteed the Ms would win at least one game of the six-game Sox-Yankees serieses? Prove me right, Felix. Crow ain&#8217;t too tasty.</p>
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		<title>By: easports82</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[easports82]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, but who&#039;s buying Adam Kennedy, Jack Wilson, Chone Figgins...?

And preemptively for UFY, Felix is not available. Move along.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but who&#8217;s buying Adam Kennedy, Jack Wilson, Chone Figgins&#8230;?</p>
<p>And preemptively for UFY, Felix is not available. Move along.</p>
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		<title>By: Ari Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ari Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are plenty of posts about Central and West teams. What&#039;s more, there SHOULD be a certain amount more posts about the East teams, considering they a) are better ,and b) have more fans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty of posts about Central and West teams. What&#8217;s more, there SHOULD be a certain amount more posts about the East teams, considering they a) are better ,and b) have more fans.</p>
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		<title>By: stevejeltzjehricurl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stevejeltzjehricurl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m guessing the M&#039;s are going to be sellers at the trade deadline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing the M&#8217;s are going to be sellers at the trade deadline.</p>
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		<title>By: hittfamily</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hittfamily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or grow a beard.  For some reason, others find that interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or grow a beard.  For some reason, others find that interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: b7p19</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[b7p19]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t be rediculous.  You can also run your franchise into financial disaray.  That will get you some play.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t be rediculous.  You can also run your franchise into financial disaray.  That will get you some play.</p>
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		<title>By: easports82</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[easports82]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So this is what it takes to get past the East-Coast bias. No thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this is what it takes to get past the East-Coast bias. No thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Fiorentino</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Fiorentino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Baltimore&#039;s was the first 21 games of the season.  THAT had to be the worst streak ever because it basically was a lost season before it ever began.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baltimore&#8217;s was the first 21 games of the season.  THAT had to be the worst streak ever because it basically was a lost season before it ever began.</p>
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