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The Reds are looking at Michael Bourn

Jul 29, 2011, 1:00 PM EDT


The Reds just got swept by the Mets and looked terrible doing it.  Despite lots of talent on hand, nothing has gelled for them so far this year, they’re five games under .500 and people are openly calling for them to cut bait and reload for next season and beyond.  In the face of all of that, however, they are still giving off signs that they’re buying, not selling.

Specifically, Ken Rosenthal says that they’re openly courting the Astros for not just Hunter Pence, but Michael Bourn as well.

Bourn is having a fine year in center for Houston, but it seems odd that the Reds would give such a vote of no-confidence to Drew Stubbs. Sure, he’s struggled at times and Dusty Baker doesn’t like his strikeouts, but he’s a couple of years younger than Bourn and under team control longer.

The Reds just don’t seem to know what to do with themselves right now, do they?

  1. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jul 29, 2011 at 1:02 PM

    Maybe if they get Bourn they can flip Stubbs to the Braves for pitching. Pitching is what the Reds sorely need.

    • aaronmoreno - Jul 29, 2011 at 3:26 PM

      Why wouldn’t the Braves just trade for Bourn themselves?

  2. okwhitefalcon - Jul 29, 2011 at 1:15 PM

    Since when can Bourn pitch?

    • foreverchipper10 - Jul 29, 2011 at 1:42 PM

      I believe that says to trade Stubbs for pitching. Not that Bourn can pitch.

      • okwhitefalcon - Jul 29, 2011 at 2:26 PM

        Uh ya, I know..

        Just a little sarcasm with the Reds having pitching problems..

        I for one don’t think the Reds are done this year, too much everyday talent in a mediocre division – they may not defend their Central title but they still have a run in them.

        Jocketty’s a master with the trade deadline move(s), they may just sneak up and make a big deal.

  3. seanmk - Jul 29, 2011 at 1:22 PM

    they should just get coco crisp if they need a center fielder so bad

  4. dentonramsey - Jul 29, 2011 at 1:28 PM

    Trading Michael Bourn, Hunter Pence would take heart, soul from Houston Astros

    By Denton Ramsey

    First, there were talks of Hunter Pence being traded before the deadline.

    Next, we were informed Pence wasn’t on the trade market and would remain in Houston this season.

    Now, Pence talks are once again heating up and the Phillies appear to be the front runners to land the coveted and speedy right fielder.

    In addition, there are talks of Astros center fielder Michael Bourn to the Cincinnati Reds.

    And all this trade talk with teams for Class A prospects in return?

    Houston’s offense, as bad as it may be, centers around Bourn and Pence.

    Without those two, the last-place Astros are certainly doomed not only now, but for a couple tough years to come.

    Then again, this wouldn’t be the first time Houston teams have broken fans’ hearts.

    In fact, I can think of four players on two teams just within the past year: Shane Battier (Rockets), Lance Berkman (Astros), Aaron Brooks (Rockets), and Roy Oswalt (Astros).

    To a certain degree, my inner-coach is telling me to quit browsing the news stories online surrounding potential trades of guys like Bourn and Pence.

    But at the same time, it’s infuriating to think the team is even CONSIDERING parting ways with those two; without them, the Astros are destined to lose 120 or more games.

    That record in and of itself would make the record books for the most regular season losses by a Major League Baseball team in the past 40 years.

    Houston, we have a problem…

    Denton Ramsey may be reached via email at

    • Chris Fiorentino - Jul 29, 2011 at 1:45 PM

      It doesn’t make a bit of difference if they lose 95 games or 120. Once they get rid of the worst GM in MLB history, Ed Wade, they will be just fine.

      • bigxrob - Jul 29, 2011 at 1:49 PM

        Omar Minaya objects to you giving eddie that title.

    • aaronmoreno - Jul 29, 2011 at 3:27 PM

      You know they don’t use the Space Shuttle anymore, right?

  5. macjacmccoy - Jul 29, 2011 at 1:57 PM

    God I want Bourn Back.

  6. metalhead65 - Jul 29, 2011 at 2:56 PM

    no deals the red make will change the way this season is going as long as dusty is till there to mismanage whatever they get in return. sure stubbs strikes out to much but is it his fault he is put in the leadoff spot when he never had done it before coming to the reds? is it his fault they want him to bunt when he never did it in the minors? he is a power guy with speed and dusty loves speed but to expect a kid to be a classic leadoff man when he never did it in his career before is to much. plus it does not help that dusty’s philosophy is to be aggressive and attack when you are batting instead working the count and seeing what the pitcher is throwing. the reds won last year in spite of his managing not because of it. they are losing this year because he won’t put out a set lineup no matter how well they played the night before. a perfect example is Chris Heisey, he may not be an everyday left fielder but the reds do not know because dusty refused to give him regular playing time early when it was obvious gomes was not getting the job done. no he waits until they dump gomes and call up their best hitting prospect to give Heisey his shot. what good was it to call him up if he is not going to get any playing time? the reds waited to long to call up their top shorstop prospect in cozart but what does dusty do after they did? benches him the next day for the ancient and washed up renteria! there was no excuse before he was hurt for him not to be in the lineup everyday. they called third base prospect up after rolen is hurt and what does dusty do? he sits him on the bench then has him play first base when votto got a day off. your starting 3rd baseman is out for a month and instead of playing the young guy and seeing if he has a future you sit him? and his handling of the pitching staff is a big reason the reds are out of it.until the mets series they were not as bad as their records looked. no matter how tired they are he sends them back out 1 inning to long and takes them out only after the damage has been done. I want the starters to go as long as possible but for gods sake take them out when everybody but him can see they are done for the night!the talent is there they just need somebody who knows what they doing.the only deals jocketty will make involve washed up ex-cards so look for him to trade the farm for ludwick. yea that’s what they need alright.

  7. paperlions - Jul 29, 2011 at 3:04 PM

    Craig, I don’t think it is a question of gelling, I think this is closer to who this team is than last year….last year a lot of things went right for the Reds, this year’s performance seems closer to the talent they have on the roster….

  8. 78mu - Jul 29, 2011 at 4:10 PM

    Pence would make sense to trade since he’s making a lot more money than Bourn. Trading Bourn isn’t going to cut the Astro payroll very much while taking a big slice out of their offense.

  9. contraryguy - Jul 29, 2011 at 5:26 PM

    um, what metalhead65 said (cool rant bro). And must say that the Reds have needed a true leadoff guy since Ryan Freel faded, if not for the past decade. Instead the Reds draft Nick Johnson lookalikes like Yonder.

    • okwhitefalcon - Jul 29, 2011 at 5:47 PM

      The Reds everyday talent could allow them to compete in an extremely winnable division.

      Their pitching for lack of a better term, stinks. Beyond Kickstart Queto is zilch with an equally inept bullpen.

      As for management, Jocketty is better as a GM that Dusty is a field general – dude manages like he’s playing at Petco when in fact he’s playing at a launching pad.

      Their best move may be to act for beyond this year, maybe even wait til the offseason when prices aren’t as high.

      I don’t think anyone in the Central has enough to match up match up with the Phils or the Giants come playoff time anyway..

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