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Jered Weaver suspended six games, fined for throwing at Alex Avila

Aug 2, 2011, 4:50 PM EDT

Jered Weaver

Major League Baseball just suspended Jered Weaver for six games and fined him an undisclosed amount for intentionally throwing a pitch at Alex Avila during thebottom of the seventh inning of Sunday’s crazy-fest between the Angels and the Tigers. This is the same punishment that Carlos Carrasco got for throwing at Billy Butler on Friday.

I think it’s too light, by the way.  They miss, what, one start?  After doing something that could seriously injure someone or even kill them?  Sheesh.  Weaver can appeal if he wants to, but I hope he just takes his time out like a big boy.

Mike Scioscia was suspended for a game too, as automatically happens in these situations.  I’m guessing he wasn’t too happy with Weaver himself, but that’s how it goes.  He can’t appeal, so he has to sit out tonight’s game.

Court adjourned.

  1. derpdederpdederp - Aug 2, 2011 at 4:57 PM

    did Weaver throw at Aviles’ head?

    • philiplewis1 - Aug 2, 2011 at 6:27 PM

      Hopefully he can use his days off to take some anger management classes because has some serious temper tantrum problems. He needs to grow up a little and let the minor things bounce off him without getting upset. Course that’s the same thing I’ve been telling my wife for 27 years.

      • hoopmatch - Aug 2, 2011 at 6:50 PM

        Sounds like the anglo version of Carlos Zambrano.

    • mornelithe - Aug 2, 2011 at 6:56 PM

      @ Derp: Yeah, he most certainly did. Absolutely intentional.

      • derpdederpdederp - Aug 3, 2011 at 1:39 AM

        thanks, not sure why all the thumbs down for that haha. I saw Carrasco throw at Butlers head. Its so cowardly and anybody that does it definitely deserves a lengthy suspension. intent to injure is taken pretty seriously in most other sports, so it certainly should be more than 1 start for a pitcher

      • mornelithe - Aug 3, 2011 at 1:25 PM

        It’s not just cowardly, I consider it attempted murder. A ball thrown at 90+ MPH at the head, can hit any number of places and kill someone. I find it deplorable, hell, most KIDS don’t even resort to dangerous retribution like that, though, that’s probably because they can’t throw that hard.

        But, it’ll never change, as long as people accept it as ‘part of the game’. Though, I challenge anyone to show me a place in the rule book where it states pitchers and managers can throw at players in acts of retaliation. Oh that’s right, it’s part of the unwritten rules. *rolls eyes* Anything to keep people from accepting responsibility for dangerous actions, I guess.

    • jimbo1949 - Aug 2, 2011 at 7:59 PM

      The umpire issues a warning to both teams and the next pitch is just over the batter’s head. My conclusion: he was aiming at the mascot.

  2. Old Gator - Aug 2, 2011 at 4:58 PM

    What? He avoids the rope, the quartering horses and the disembowler’s knife? I am aghast. This was a job for Richard Topcliffe, and they let Joe Torre handle it. Phooey.

  3. randall351 - Aug 2, 2011 at 5:07 PM

    As long as they both get the exact same punishment, Weaver and Carrasco that is, then I’m OK with it. I would agree that it is way to light, unless the “undisclosed” fine is outrageously high.

    • pauleee - Aug 2, 2011 at 5:45 PM

      Agreed, the punishment should be the same. My only guess as to why there seemed to be no outrage in Carrasco’s case and so much for Weaver is that more people saw Weaver do it. As for the length of suspension, Alex K makes a good point that it should be x amount of starts based on normal rotation and that they are getting off lightly.

      // 3 missed starts for Weaver could be the death-knoll for the Halos.

  4. Alex K - Aug 2, 2011 at 5:14 PM

    I’ll repeat myself.

    It should be 15 games (3 starts).

    • hep3 - Aug 2, 2011 at 5:49 PM

      Juan Marichal only got 8 games for hitting John Roseboro with a BAT!

      Avila was never in danger; just Weaver’s pride.

      • clydeserra - Aug 2, 2011 at 5:54 PM

        8 games in the 60s was 2 starts

  5. craggt - Aug 2, 2011 at 5:18 PM

    If you want it to be 3 starts it needs to be 19 games, otherwise its 2 starts plus one day

  6. paperlions - Aug 2, 2011 at 5:24 PM

    Six games isn’t even 1 start….they miss 4 games between starts anyway, all this does is push a start back 2 extra games…he is missing closer to 0.4 starts than to 1.0

  7. fquaye149 - Aug 2, 2011 at 5:29 PM

    Weaver threw at his head inasmuch as his head was the closest part of Avila’s body to where the pitch ended up. Dude didn’t even have to duck. I’m not saying Weaver shouldn’t be suspended. It was a high purpose pitchin Avila’s general direction and a dangerous one to throw no less.

    But let’s not pretend Weaver was out there trying to seriously injure Avila. If he would have drilled Avila in the ribs we wouldn’t be seeing this outrage, even though that is like 95% more likely to seriously injure the guy and probably closer to his head than the pitch Weaver threw.

    Again, I’m not apologizing for Weaver. He did something wrong and has been suspended the boilerplate amountof time a pitcher will be suspended. But it’s pretty clear to most people who saw the game he didn’t try to bean Avila.

    • Chris Fiorentino - Aug 2, 2011 at 5:38 PM

      “But it’s pretty clear to most people who saw the game he didn’t try to bean Avila.”

      Stevie Wonder and Helen Keller could have seen that he threw at Avila’s head. Oh, because it went a foot above it’s ok now? That’s ridiculous. I agree with Craig…way too light. He should miss three starts for throwing at a guy’s head.

      • pauleee - Aug 2, 2011 at 5:51 PM

        I’m still going to disagree with you Chris (he didn’t try to hit him in the head), but the punishment IS too light.

      • fquaye149 - Aug 2, 2011 at 6:02 PM

        Yeah, I would say a MLB pitcher’s throw “missing” a spot by a foot or more suggest pretty strongly that he was not making a serious effort to hit that spot.

        But you know, that’s just me being weird, thinking one of baseball’s best pitchers could come within twelve inches of a head if he were really trying to hit it.

      • fquaye149 - Aug 2, 2011 at 6:10 PM

        I mean, I don’t dispute he threw in the direction of Avila’s head. That’s unacceptable. I agree. He should be ejected, fined, and suspended. But the thing about that was….he was. I can’t say for certain he had no intent to hit Avila. Who the hell knows what happened. But occam’s razor would suggest a pitcher with as good of control as Weaver had could have AT LEAST made Avila hit the deckif he were making an effort to bean him.

      • pauleee - Aug 2, 2011 at 6:13 PM

        fquaye

        Exactly. Look at the video of anyone actually getting hit in the head. The ball either runs in on the batter or it is going at his shoulder and he trys to duck out of the way, right into the path of the ball. Weaver’s ball is rsing up (4-seamer?) and his release point is way early.

        Dangerous and stupid, but not a bean ball.

        Off topic slightly, but I guess it has to come to something like this for East Coasters to even think about commenting about the Angels. Santana throws a no-hitter, and CRICKETS.

    • clydeserra - Aug 2, 2011 at 5:55 PM

      You win dumbest argument.

      Also its factually wrong

      • fquaye149 - Aug 2, 2011 at 6:03 PM

        It is factually wrong that the pitch missed his head by a sizeable difference? Or do you mean that my opinion on whether Weaver was trying to hit Avila in the head is different from yours, and therefore factually wrong.

      • clydeserra - Aug 2, 2011 at 6:53 PM

        Factually wrong that the pitch wasn’t at his head and that it missed by a considerable distance.

        Not that it really matters when a 92 MPH fastball is coming towards your head

      • fquaye149 - Aug 2, 2011 at 7:36 PM

        Factually wrong that the pitch wasn’t AT his head…well maybe. If by “at” you mean “in the directionof his head”. Of course since I never claimed the pitch wasn’t thrown in the direction of his head, I don’t know how I could be wrong about that. If you are arguing that the pitch was AIMED at his head, I would love to know how I am factually wrong about that since

        A.) it didn’t come withing a foot of hitting his head
        B.) Jered Weaver is very good at throwing things within a foot of where he is aiming.

        Now I am not saying you are “factually wrong” if you think Weaver WAS aiming at Avila. But our argument here boils down to a differejce of opinionor interpretation.

        As to me being factually wrong about the ball missing by a considerable distance, even Chris Fiorentino, who vehemently disagrees with my original post acknowledges the ball missed his head by “a foot”. Whether you think that is a considerable distance or not comes down to difference of opinion.

        If your opinion differs from mine that’s fine. But it’s clear that when you say I am “factually wrong” you’re really just saying “i disagree with your interpretation. I’m not saying that my interpretation is 100% correct, but since MLB, Rob Neyer, Joe Posnanski and many other writers I’ve seen take on this topic are making judgments in accord with my perspective that Weaver did a dangerous, reckless thing but to cast him as trying to hurt Avila is inaccurate gven the video evidence we have…I would suggest that perhaps my perspective is not “factually wrong” just because you don’t agree with it.

        As for your last point, I absolutely agree. When dealing with a dangerous object it is incredibly dangerous to be throwing in the dirction of someone’s head even if you have great control and do not want to hit his head. Wich is why, as I said earlier, I think Weaver should have been fined, suspended, and ejected. Which he was.

      • fquaye149 - Aug 2, 2011 at 7:38 PM

        Typos abound, due to virtual keyboard. My apologies.

      • clydeserra - Aug 2, 2011 at 8:48 PM

        He really hit his spot with that pitch to Guillen

      • clydeserra - Aug 2, 2011 at 8:49 PM

        ANd if he wasn’t trying to throw at his head he missed terribly.

        I have seen the replay plenty of times. It was going towards his head.

      • fquaye149 - Aug 2, 2011 at 9:31 PM

        There is a huge difference between missing a spot in the strike zone which is probably one cubic inch in volume by a half an inch and missing a head…something that is probably closer to a cubic foot in volume by an enitre foot.

        No one questions that he was throwing in the general vecinity of Avila’s head. No one. Not a single person in the universe. If you can’t understand the difference between throwing “at someone’s head” and “throwing in the direction of someone’s head”. I don’t know what to tell you. I a, not apologizing for Weaver for the latter–it is jnexcusable, but he has been punished for it–, just pointing out that claims to the former are incredibky suspect. And if “he missed a spot on his pitch to Guillen therefore he probably was aiming for a huge target and missed it by a foot” passes for conclusive proof that I am wrong and dumb in your mind, then I am not particularly interested in pitting my mind against yours. I’m quite fine holding the position Joe Posnanski and Rob Neyer hold vs The guy on the HBT board with the really really really awful arguments.

      • clydeserra - Aug 3, 2011 at 12:19 AM

        you are making a semantic argument that it wasn’t thrown at his head. You are supporting it with the factually incorrect statement it didn’t come within a foot of his head.

        Only Jeff weaver can answer the question of where he was throwing the ball. But, look at the video. Mathis catches the ball. behind the batter. For your theory to be correct the ball had to be throw over 7 feet above the ground directly above the batter. It was not. Mathis would not be able to catch a ball, thrown at 92 MPH roughly 9 feet from his target as he jumped from a crouch.

        Further, where is the line that makes it “near but not at” the batter? a foot? eight inches? six inches? two inches?

        As for the writers, I have not really seen JoPo take anyone to task and Rob Neyer says weird things all the time. I find them no more an “expert” on baseball than you or I.

  8. rhandome - Aug 2, 2011 at 5:31 PM

    I think it’s a fair punishment, as I’m against headhunting, no matter the situation. However, I was amused by all the people who were SHOCKED at Weaver’s vicious evil crime, and also wanted Erick Aybar beaned for bunting in a no-hitter. If throwing at guy’s heads is wrong, then it’s wrong all the time.

  9. ezwriter69 - Aug 2, 2011 at 5:59 PM

    So he gets his next start pushed back one or at most two days… oooh, his wrist must be stinging from that slap… somebody’s gonna get killed if MLB doesn’t do something about these gutless AL pitchers who know they face no danger from the other side ’cause don’t bat, and know they face no threat from MLB ’cause they don’t have the cojones to do anything about it either… weak, weak, weak. All sports in full attitude adjustment mode over concussions, and MLB sends this clear message, “go ahead and throw at heads, we don’t care, there is NO real penalty, snipe away.” Weak, weak, weak. Gutless on all counts from all involved…

  10. mjanik25 - Aug 2, 2011 at 6:25 PM

    First time commenter, longtime reader.

    Just spit-balling here… Should we maybe rethink the way we deal out pitcher suspensions? Why not tie it to the calendar? If you think a guy should miss one start, suspend him a week… If you think he should miss two starts, suspend him two weeks… Seems to me, that would minimize the opportunities for teams to re-arrange their rotation to help a guy not miss his start when he’s suspended (which is the whole point of the suspension, no?).

    Granted, with most teams playing six games a week, a starter makes something like 1.2 starts in a given seven-day span, so somebody might occasionally get screwed out of an extra start… But, I would imagine if you tied the start of the suspension to the date of the incident, you could maybe minimize that effect too. Thoughts?

  11. mornelithe - Aug 2, 2011 at 6:59 PM

    Definitely agree Craig, I was expecting more time than basically missing one start. I don’t see how that in any way drives home any points. I’ve never supported beaning players to send a message, and I’ve been pretty vocal about that. It’s about time MLB started cracking down on this schoolyard tactic. It’s bush-league, in it’s entirety.

  12. wvan10 - Aug 2, 2011 at 8:40 PM

    The time suspended is of no importance to me. The league does what it does. It’s not going to change the fact that this is how the game has been policed since its inception and always will be. The Tigers players and staff may all complain about the placement of the pitch to Avila and the manner of how it was delivered but had the shoe been on the other foot, a similar, if not exactly identical reaction would’ve been had by their pitcher as well. In fact Justin Verlander in the very next inning yelled at Erick Aybar between innings telling him that he’d bean him next time they saw each other because of the way he tried to break up Verlander’s no hitter by bunting to lead off the 8th inning, and I’m sure the next time they see each other Aybar will be wearing an imprint of a 100 MPH fastball on his back pocket. Players that upstage the pitcher get the next guy up beaned or thrown at themselves. That’s just baseball people.

    • nfldaddy - Aug 3, 2011 at 1:46 AM

      I agree with the premise of your entire state wvan, but Verlander was wrong in that situation. Fuck him. It was 3-0 and the game was easily within reach. It’s about winning the game, not helping Verlander get his no hitter. If the game was out of control or if it was down to the last out, I’d understand and agree with Verlander.

    • mornelithe - Aug 3, 2011 at 1:27 PM

      Personally, I hope Verlander’s more mature than that. It was the 8th inning, not the 9th inning. The game was still within reach, and scoring more runs is the object of the game. If you can’t power your way onto base, may as well try finessing it.

      I’m glad I’m not on an MLB team, Weaver would’ve had imprints of a Louisville slugger about his head and shoulders.

  13. fishmatt - Aug 3, 2011 at 1:01 AM

    Note to pitchers throwing at guys:

    Just put it in his ribs.

  14. nfldaddy - Aug 3, 2011 at 1:43 AM

    Why is nobody talking about the fact that the Tigers deserved everything that Weaver game to them? They were acting like a bunch of jerkoffs. If I was Weaver, I would have saved that bullshit, and knocked Guillen the fuck out as he walked up the first base line.

    Jered Weaver is arguably a top 5 pitcher in the game. If he wanted to hit Avila he could have, like he said.

    He got thrown out of the game and suspended for a buzz, absolutely ridiculous. Avila didn’t even have to move to get away from the ball!

    Did anyone see the Brewers/Cards game tonight? The Cards threw 2 PITCHES IN A ROW at Ricky Braun and hit him with the second one in the back as retaliation for Pujols getting hit by a pitch.

    The Cards pitcher didn’t get thrown out of the god damn game!

    6 games is absurd.

  15. stubbsflugel1 - Aug 3, 2011 at 12:18 PM

    The Tigers were acting like jerk offs? We must have been watching different games. Certainly the umpire didn’t see it that way. I have very rarely seen an ump go to the mound while the hitter is circling the bases.I truly think it was exactly the opposite of the way you painted it. Either way the Tigs won you lost , Weaver got his wrist slapped ( he should get more just for being a cry baby) and the matter is closed. I hopw Weaver enjoys his golf game in October.

  16. mightywu - Aug 3, 2011 at 6:18 PM

    Another hysteria laden article from Calcaterra. I bet he checksfor monsters under his bed beforehe goes to bed a night. This is what happens in baseball, ya can’t sack the pitcher.

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