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“The media tries to keep Philadelphia fans from being happy”

Aug 2, 2011, 4:29 PM EDT

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Wait … did I just get … TOLD?

Everyone gets on the Philadelphia fans when they get mad. Look at how angry and aggressive they are! Please, give me a break. But, on the flipside, the media tries to keep them from being happy. Look no further than Craig Calcaterra. Who? Exactly. Calcaterra is the “Blogger-in-Chief” at Hardballtalk.com which is part of NBC Sports. Calcaterra tweeted last weekend that Philadelphia is “the most insecure fan base on the planet.”

Listen here Craig; let me explain something to you: one championship in 28 years in any sport. Two World Series titles in 128 years of Phillies baseball. We, as a fan base, have every right to be insecure. Have you ever heard of 1964? The MVP for the Cardinals’ World Series Championship team should be the entire 1964 Phillies team for blowing a 6.5 game lead with 12 games to play down the stretch. That alone gives us the right to be insecure.  So before you criticize us, how about you spend 10 seconds in our shoes.

There you have it. I shall now walk a mile — or at least ten seconds — in the shoes of Philly fans before I say anything bad about them again. Or maybe not. These shoes feel so … so … insecure.

Seriously, though, the saddest thing about all of this is that the Philly fan commenters here are almost all pretty great.  As are most of the Philly bloggers and stuff with whom I interact on Twitter.  They appreciate the good run their team is on and are, with a few occasional exceptions, pretty realistic and gracious about life.

I don’t for a second think that guys like this one are representative of the fan base at large. But at the same time, I never see examples of this kind of thing from the fan bases of other teams. It’s just nuts.

  1. karaterobot - Aug 2, 2011 at 5:28 PM

    Does this mean, as a long-suffering Minnesota native, I’m clear to walking around, punching people in the mouth? The Twins have won a few, but the Vikings have to be in the top three of most depressing teams to be a fan of, of all time.

    • sasquash20 - Aug 2, 2011 at 11:24 PM

      There are fans at every stadium who get drunk and fight, to act like Philly is the only one is just dumb. Typical response from a douche bag

    • CJ - Aug 3, 2011 at 9:25 AM

      where do you get off saying nonsense like punching peole in the mouth?

      Or did you just get tired of saying the same notable stuff that actually has happened (puking on girls, getting tazed, booing santa, throwing batteries, snowballing jimmy johnson, etc.), that you now have to spew random nonsense and make stuff like that up as if it happens on a daily basis?

      I appreciate that non-Philly fans are tired of saying it, because we’re tired of hearing it, but that doesn’t give you the right to just make stuff up.

    • mox19380 - Aug 3, 2011 at 12:04 PM

      have you been punched in the mouth by a Phillies’ fan? do you know anyone personally that has been punched in the face by a Phillies’ fan?

      Do you hear about multiple murders occurring in at CBP every year like in LA? Aside from teh puke incident last year, every signal thing that has gone down in philly has happened in at least one other city. Get off your high horse!

      Every city has great fans, ok fans, and bad fans

  2. macjacmccoy - Aug 2, 2011 at 5:40 PM

    Damn Craig you are so Gullible …… you talk about how Philly fans are so defensive and go into a big rant about it all the time….. have you ever thought that Philly fans say things and act like that bc we know it bothers you? You act like you think your the only one that has ever said something to annoy another fan base. You have said multiple times that you say things to stir the pot and get people fired up but you seem not to realize we people are doing to you.

    Every time you right a new post in reaction to what a Philly fan said your giving us what we want, a reaction …. the funny thing is your to gullible to notice.

    • spudchukar - Aug 2, 2011 at 6:11 PM

      Why does this remind of the poison goblet scene in “The Princess Bride”, and you are Vizzini.

    • ditto65 - Aug 2, 2011 at 10:16 PM

      “Right” is not always right.

      You are silly to believe that Craig is a Philly-baiter unknowingly entering the Philly Phan web, spun to catch all bloggers that avoid the horse-meat and velveeta sandwiches (Philly for Poison Kool-Aid) so popular in the City of Brotherly “Love” (or hate, whatever).

  3. royalsfaninfargo - Aug 2, 2011 at 5:42 PM

    Is this guy going after Craig a blogger brawl? Because I think you could take him Craig!

    • halladaysbiceps - Aug 2, 2011 at 5:52 PM

      Hey, royalsfan, how are you doing? We have talked in the past. What the outlook for the Royals in 2012?

      • spudchukar - Aug 2, 2011 at 6:15 PM

        Same as the Phillies, looking for a 2nd World Series Title since 1985.

      • halladaysbiceps - Aug 2, 2011 at 6:20 PM

        spuds,

        That was not what I was looking for. But, thanks for trying, my friend.

      • royalsfaninfargo - Aug 2, 2011 at 7:06 PM

        Cepts,
        I think they will be a little better than they are now. The Royals are priming for 2013! With that the youngins’ will get more experience and more of them can play in the bigs. Its a long process, but it will be worth it.

      • loungefly74 - Aug 9, 2011 at 10:15 AM

        ha! great response spuds.

  4. madnova - Aug 2, 2011 at 5:57 PM

    Am I reading that wrong, or did that guy agree that the fan base was insecure while complaining about someone calling them insecure?

  5. phukyouk - Aug 2, 2011 at 6:02 PM

    Am I really the only one to think of the Chris rock “media” skit reading this title? Too off color to link here but still….

  6. APBA Guy - Aug 2, 2011 at 6:11 PM

    Folks, I’d walk two miles in Craig’s shoes to have a team like the Phillies playing in Oakland.

    • deathmonkey41 - Aug 3, 2011 at 8:29 AM

      They used to be in Philadelphia- that doesn’t count?

  7. frankvzappa - Aug 2, 2011 at 6:15 PM

  8. flyinhighwithvick - Aug 2, 2011 at 7:44 PM

    Slow news day? Nothing better to do except get on Philly fans? You ARE the man!

    • ditto65 - Aug 2, 2011 at 10:22 PM

      Did you notice he linked to a Philly Phan blog? Go beat your dog.

  9. kcq101 - Aug 2, 2011 at 8:19 PM

    It seems that many Philly fans have a tough time accepting that there is a collective respect for their own baseball team (and the other major sports, as well). For a good period of time, Philly struggled in respect to their professional sports teams (mostly the Phillies and Eagles). Having a bad team for such a long time, augmented by the manner in which the fanbase was portrayed, seemingly led to this kind of temperament. In fact, we embraced the us-vs-world attitude to an extreme, perhaps as a crutch. The Rocky movies only fueled this fire.

    However, some of the younger fans, like myself, did not have to experience the long, dismal period and have witnessed the successes of the recent past. Yet, a lot of Phillies fans still cling to the us-vs-world attitude, particularly the younger fans, my peers, the idiots that wrote the blog-post. They have a chip on their shoulders, like they earned the right to be mad and offended. Do they not feel deserving of success? Are you paying homage to the teams and fans of yester-year? Can’t we accept and appreciate that we are no longer the peasants, but the nobles? Wait, we have to share 1st place?

    Maybe I’m off-base. But this is how I see it. The idiotic, overreacting fans that create the most noise are primarily composed of the new-wave fans. You ask them a question about “the Dark Ages” in our sports town and they stutter (What position did Larry Bowa play?). Ultimately, they’re insecure about not having lived through all 10,000 losses and, as a result, choose to take on any opinion that’s contrary to Philly being the absolute best, extrapolate this one opinion as the opinion of every non-Philly fan, and take up arms.

    Also, remember, we are the Generation Y/Millennials of Philly. We all received trophies in T-ball. We were always 1st place (ironically, we all shared 1st place!). We crave attention and don’t do well with constructive criticism or confrontation. So if your opinion differs from our own, you can shove it, and we’ll be sure to let you know (on Twitter, Facebook, and our cheesesteak blog).

  10. nocryinginbaseball07 - Aug 2, 2011 at 9:08 PM

    As the doctor said recently, we don’t mind people sniping at us as fans for the most part; you develop a pretty thick skin in Philly. And after all, like every other fan base we have our share of idiots who deserve it. But what really festers are the rants and vitriol directed at the city itself. If you don’t get why people here are so passionate about all their sports teams and about their city, well, you just never will, and all the nastiness won’t help you to understand.

  11. schmedley69 - Aug 2, 2011 at 9:27 PM

    Although most of us Philly fans are good citizens, we do seem to have more idiots-per-capita than most other teams.

    If there is one city that deserves to be bitter, it’s Cleveland. That city hasn’t had much to cheer about over the past 50 years.

    • nocryinginbaseball07 - Aug 2, 2011 at 9:47 PM

      Sigh…you’re probably right. A passionate idiot is still an idiot.

  12. everybodyhitswoohoo - Aug 2, 2011 at 9:49 PM

    I’m gonna say more or less the same thing I said yesterday: Craig, if you’re calling Phillies fans insecure because they care too much about what people (in this case, you) think of them…then why in God’s name do you care so much what THEY think about YOU to the point where you’ve written two articles in two days about it? If they’re so insecure, don’t follow their lead and just ignore them. You’re doing more or less the exact same thing as them.

  13. sasquash20 - Aug 2, 2011 at 11:21 PM

    Philly fans are the most underrated in all of sports. We are better then any city in the world. So eat it losers from fragaisie cities like NY, DC, Bos, Balti and all the other lame as fan cities!

    Also would like for all the Ryan Howard haters to watch the mans next 2-3 months of this season. He will easily top 35 hr and 120 rbi. But hes not that good or a star. Please, he will tear it up and you losers will still hate and say its because of who hits in front of him.

  14. skids003 - Aug 3, 2011 at 7:42 AM

    It’s actually the media’s job to make sure NO ONE is happy anywhere. That’s how they sell their product.

  15. dasher521 - Aug 3, 2011 at 8:26 AM

    I am a life long Phillies fan,which is a little different than a stereotypical “Philly fan”, who as a teenager lived through ’64. What I am sick and tired of is the national media that continually brings up “snowballs at Santa”, booing Donovan McNabb at the draft etc. Santa, gees, it’s over 40 years old. McNabb, the national media never got right from the beginning. They make it sound as if Donavan came to Philadelphia and was booed. What really happened is that two bus loads of drunken idiots went to New York City for the draft. When the Eagles did not draft Ricky Williams, the drunken idiots booed the Eagles for not drafting the player the drunken idiots wanted. All the other stuff – tasers, fights, taunting – happens in every stadium or arena in the country. I was also fortunate enough to be sitting in the stands for game 6 in 1980. I’ve run the gamut. All I ask of the national media is to A) get the facts and get it right or B) bury the crap that is old enough to appear on “Antinque Road Show” and live in the present. We can take the heat. We’re just tired of the innacurate crap.

    • dasher521 - Aug 3, 2011 at 8:28 AM

      PS – If you want to write about it, come here and experience it.

  16. deathmonkey41 - Aug 3, 2011 at 8:33 AM

    In the end, you’re all wishing you could have been born Yankees fans- so what’s the difference really? And before you all fire back with angry comments, my wife has cancer like John Lackey’s so I’m off limits to negativity. Okay, so she doesn’t have cancer and I’m not married, but I still don’t want to here it- shut yer cakeholes!

    • dasher521 - Aug 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM

      Nah! Despite your 27 rings, I’m very happy where I am. Not a cake guy. Good luck this season.

  17. Jonny 5 - Aug 3, 2011 at 9:22 AM

    http://giftube.com/gif/concert-22578

  18. leftywildcat - Aug 3, 2011 at 1:05 PM

    Diehard Phillies fans are not the same group of people as diehard Eagles fans. Pleae don’t confuse the two groups.

    But we Phillies fans have not been insecure since 1980. We’re just very excitable about our team in recent years.

    And with soft pretzels, cheesesteaks, Yuengling, and Tastycakes, what’s there to not like about the Philadelphia area?

  19. phillysports266 - Aug 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM

    You want to know why Philly fans get upset? because our team is on a spectacular run, probably the best we’ll ever see and the definitely the best in our life time, but smug the smug New Yorkers and Bostonians who run the sports world right now insist on demeaning us with the stupid santa claus batteries pukemon bulls***. It gets mentioned every single time they talk about our teams. We get Hunter Pence and its all about how he better perform or we’ll boo him(we gave him a standing O). Stop mentioning the bs and start actually giving our team credit. They’ve been the most dominant in baseball from 07 to now and probably next year too.

  20. disulfide - Aug 4, 2011 at 4:32 PM

    At this point the Sixers would like any fans.

  21. philsfan1 - Aug 4, 2011 at 7:29 PM

    Crankees are still crying over Cliff choosing us over them. Get over it! When their overrated pitching falls, they won’t even make the playoffs. Can’t help it if Philly, not NY or BOS is becoming the players’ choice. See you all in the World Series followed by the Super Bowl. The the Stanley Cup for good measure.

  22. sgtr0c - Aug 4, 2011 at 8:49 PM

    HardBallTalk = SoftBraveTalk. PhillyWin<SoftBraveTalk, but PhillyWin = LargerFanBase, LargerFanBase = $$$ForBills, errgo,(arggo?) it doesn;t matter what Philly fans think of Craig or he of them

  23. cosanostra71 - Aug 5, 2011 at 7:17 PM

    I’ve never been to Philadelphia, so all I can go on is stories I’ve heard (and obviously those can be and usually are exaggerated), but those stories don’t make me very keen on going there to watch a game.

    I do feel bad for the online Phillies fans though. They are on a great run of success right now, and with that come bandwagon trolls. As a Lakers fan I know this phenomenon all too well. The real Phillies fans I see on many online forums seem to be very intelligent about the game of baseball.

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