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The Phillies and Giants had themselves a benches-clearing brawl

Aug 6, 2011, 12:52 AM EDT

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Who needs the Red Sox and Yankees?

We just witnessed a benches-clearing brawl in the sixth inning of tonight’s game between the Phillies and Giants. Check out the video footage here.

It all started when Shane Victorino was hit in the back by a pitch from Giants right-hander Ramon Ramirez. Victorino began to gesture and walk toward the mound, but he was quickly intercepted by home plate umpire Mike Muchlinski. By this time, both dugouts and bullpens had emptied and were running toward the field. However, the brawl didn’t really begin in earnest until Eli Whiteside attempted to tackle Placido Polanco, who came running in from first base.

There was all sorts of pushing and shoving and mini-wrestling matches going on, but just when it looked like things were about to calm down, Victorino escaped from Phillies hitting coach Greg Gross and tackled Giants hitting coach Hensley “Bam-Bam” Meulens. Huh? He had it coming, apparently.

Victorino, Ramirez and Whiteside were all given the boot and we’ll likely see numerous fines and suspensions once MLB reviews the footage of the incident.

All in all, I give this this skirmish an eight out of 10 for pure entertainment. Whiteside’s tackling skills? Maybe good enough to make the 49ers.

161 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. okwhitefalcon - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:57 AM

    Countdown til someone blames Tony LaRussa for ordering the hit on Victorino…


    Ignition sequence started..

  2. jeffhink - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:57 AM

    Whiteside went for Polanco’s knees and didn’t take him down. He couldn’t make a high school football team let alone the Niners.

    • D.J. Short - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:59 AM

      No doubt. That was a dig at the 49ers more than anything else.

      • jeffhink - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:05 AM

        Actually no. I don’t know much about the Niners defense but I know they have on of the best LBs in the league. Whiteside’s tackle was just really bad.

      • The Common Man - Aug 6, 2011 at 9:27 AM

        He stopped Polanco’s forward progress. That counts as a tackle. And it was unassisted.

    • clydeserra - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:06 PM

      Why was polonco running towards Whiteside?

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:10 PM

        He, along with all the players, were running toward the dust up. Happens in every baseball “fight.”

      • clydeserra - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:50 PM

        I agree that they do. He didn’t have to. If its ok for Polanco to move towards the action, then it should be OK for the catcher to try to protect his pitcher

  3. joelgold - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:01 AM

    Kind of fun for Giants fans as the game wasn’t going well. Not sure why Whiteside got tossed when it was Polanco who came running at him. And apparently jeffhink hasn’t seen the 49ers tackle lately….

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:03 AM

      Not sure what you were watching, but Whiteside was a primary instigator. Polanco wasn’t coming in with any malice. Whiteside was hopping up and down looking for a fight.

    • jeffhink - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:07 AM

      When you go after a guys knees you’re the instigator.

      • joelgold - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:16 AM

        When you are in that situation and see someone running at you, and then attempt to tackle him, that isn’t the instigator. He didn’t go after Polanco’s knees with anything but his arms in a rather poor tackling drill. Must agree with the dr that the Phillies were playing good baseball and didn’t do anything that I could see to set it off except cause the Giants frustration. Turning into a pretty heated rivalry.

      • clydeserra - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:07 PM

        So the guy running full tilt toward you is not the instigator, but the guy executing a good tackle from a dead stop is?

      • chadjones27 - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:37 PM

        clydserra, that wasn’t a good tackle. That wasn’t even a tackle.

      • clydeserra - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:51 PM

        meh, I don’t know anything about football. Point taken.

  4. drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:01 AM

    You put this up right after I put my commentary in another thread. First of all, Victorino was clearly hit on purpose. Get a shot of the Giants bench, Bochy called for it and Whiteside was ready for it. If Whiteside wouldn’t have acted like a punk, nothing would have happened. He was looking for a fight. Shane, of course, was looking for a fight as well. He wanted a piece of Ramirez. The question becomes, why were they throwing at Victorino? The Phillies were doing nothing but playing baseball. They weren’t showboating or anything. Answer, because the Giants were pissed that the Phillies were beating their ass and acted like petulant children. Best part…when Pence came up next inning and blasted a HR.

    • gaels1997 - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:15 AM

      Petulent children? So what if the Giants were getting their ass kicked. Phillies have been acting like arrogent ass’s..your up 8-2 walk to 1st bast, and FYI…Whiteside took out Polanco because Polanco was going to run up and blindside the pitcher when he wasn’t looking like a real man does.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:19 AM

        Yeah, that is what Polanco was going to do. The players were gathering…it happens in that situation. How were the Phillies acting like arrogant asses? Because Ramirez hit him on purpose and he took exception to it? What did they do to cause a beaning?

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:22 AM

        Watch the replay….Polanco wasn’t running at the pitcher. He was jogging to get to Victorino to calm the situation. Instead, Whiteside went at a 36 year olds knees.

      • joelgold - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:38 AM

        Going after his knees? Really? He put his shoulder into Polanco’s mid-section and wrapped him up with his arms. That’s not going after the knees. Best part was Mota removing Victorino’s helmet after he had charged back in and jumped the Giants’ hitting coach. Classic…..

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:43 AM

        Umm yeah…he went at the knees and tried to drive his midsection back to bend him over. As the guy below said, Pence came in and saved the day.

  5. fishmatt - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:05 AM

    I’m just wondering why the Giants felt the need to hit Victorino. It seemed pretty unnecessary given the context. I’m interested in what the players and managers will have to say after the game.

    • hcf95688 - Aug 6, 2011 at 11:04 AM

      Ramirez gave up (I’m not sure of the exact totals, my numbers are approximate) 126 hits in a row. Why not throw at the next batter?

    • clydeserra - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:11 PM

      i don’t understand that either

  6. jonirocit - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:09 AM

    What were you guys watching ? It was just time for a brawl . Sometimes team get frustrated and it happens . Ramirez did it the right way and hit him in the ass. The only person on the whole field who acted like a bitch was utley , that crap of trying to lean out and get beaned once again shows why he is the biggest pansy in baseball.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:11 AM

      Yeah, it wasn’t specific to this situation though. He leans in to pitches, it is in his DNA. Whiteside was a bitch in the whole affair in my opinion. Going after the knees.

    • jeffhink - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:15 AM

      It was time for a brawl? Here’s an idea… baseball players make statements by playing baseball. Beaning a guy like that only says you can’t handle a loss.

    • sneschalmers - Aug 6, 2011 at 2:36 AM

      Wait…of all the Phillies you go after for being a wuss, you choose Chase Utley? The guy who played an entire season with a torn labrum in his hip without saying a word? The same injury that sidelined A-Rod for an entire year…?

      As a fan of baseball who doesn’t root for either team, I can comfortably say that Chase Utley is pretty much everything that is good in baseball. He hustles on every play; he busts his ass during the offseason to get better (look at his defensive play from the start of his career to where he is now. The difference is remarkable); he hits for power and average. He does everything right.

      He also is 4th all time among active players in getting hit by pitches (source: It’s the way he approaches at bats. It’s really nothing new.

    • bigboybilly111 - Aug 6, 2011 at 8:51 AM

      all players lean into or out the ball. How long have you been watching Baseball.

      • hcf95688 - Aug 6, 2011 at 11:06 AM

        The guy that said that is a giants fan… he’s been watching baseball since September 2010.

  7. philly56 - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:34 AM

    That Whiteside simpleton was looking for a fight and when the umpire intercepted Victorino he went after the nearest phillie (polanco) for no reason and I just about crapped my pants, Polanco’s back and those cortisone shots can’t take nonsense like that. But Hunter Pence out of freaking nowhere with his knee high socks saved the day followed quickly by the entire Phillies dugout – they managed to keep Polanco on his feet and he stayed in the game so hopefully all is well. God I like Pence, I think I’m gonna go buy his jersey now. That home run he hit next inning made it even better.

    Phillies didn’t do anything but play good baseball and it sure as hell isn’t Victorino or Polanco’s fault that the giants are in a slump.

    Take the loss like adults, jesus. I wonder what they’ll do when the D-backs take first place from them.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:39 AM

      Well put philly56. That is pretty much exactly what happened. Bochy called for the beaning from the bench, too. I will give Charlie credit….he could have put in Mathieson, who is back to the Iron Pigs tomorrow, in the 9th for a beaning but didn’t.

  8. gaels1997 - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:36 AM

    Your up 8-2 take the ass bean and to to first..he walked gestured and wanted to let em go. As a Giants fan we are thoroughly disgusted with the offense so I can see just getting tired of it. Also your at home getting whipped, at least show some sort of fight since the offense isn’t remotely close to doing.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:40 AM

      There was nothing done on the Phillies part to deserve a beaning. It was uncalled for. The Giants, Whiteside in particular, wanted a fight. The scrum wasn’t going to amount to anything before he went low on Polly. That was the flash point. Victorino was settling down before that happened.

      • clydeserra - Aug 6, 2011 at 2:16 PM

        I like this assessment. Whiteside definitely looked like he was expecting or wanting contact.

        I don’t think what he did was egregious, though. I know we disagree on that point.

  9. gaels1997 - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:40 AM

    And Whiteside knows that how? Turns his head and a guys right there. It’s all worthless anyways..who cares about it, Is this some sort of Philly not getting respect thing, I mean over 70 wins full pitching staff of Cy Youngs and can hit isn’t enough that Victorino greeting beamed in the ass is some sort of wrong?? Victorino is a and always has been a snotnose punk, was nice watching his face in his hands on the bench after losing the NLCS

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 1:44 AM

      Yep, it is a Phillies fans thing…exactly what it is. You nailed that one. And yes, the beaning was wrong and uncalled for. Justify all you want, it was undeserved.

      • cleverbob - Aug 6, 2011 at 7:02 AM

        Yee, because if it was Phillies fans patting their team on the back for plunking a guy near the end of a bad loss we wouldn’t start hearing about all the 40 year old cliches again. SF fans leave me speechless.

  10. kcrockett1 - Aug 6, 2011 at 2:00 AM

    Nevermind the fact that beaning is stupid and is the ultimate in ignorance in purposefully trying to cost your team games……..but just because nothing happened in this game was done to “deserve” the beaning does not mean that nothing has ever been done…….pitchers have long memories and being that ramirez is a relief pitcher, this may have been the first time that he had a shot at victorino…….as far as Bochy “calling” for it, I wasn’t aware MLB had their own version of the red-zone channel with the Manager in the Dugout Spitting Sunflower Seeds channel………it is what it is, Victorino is gonna get thrown at because his reputation precedes him, and pitcher’s are going to put their teams in bad spots by throwing at him, it all comes back to even and millionaires get to display their ignorance

    • kcrockett1 - Aug 6, 2011 at 2:02 AM

      btw, with everybody griping about how whiteside “went for” polanco’s knees, not one phillies fan is going to admonish victorino for going at an old man? All those players out there and he goes for the hitting coach?

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 2:09 AM

        No, he was wrong to charge the pile and will be suspended accordingly. I don’t necessarily think he was going for that particular guy, but when you go full steam into the pile things like that happen.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 2:11 AM

      As far as Bouchy giving the single…yeah, I will try to find the clip. He made a funny motion to Whiteside and then put his head down.

  11. kcrockett1 - Aug 6, 2011 at 2:15 AM

    Well, as a Giants fan, I thought I would interject, because there doesn’t need to be a full on phillies fan deluge on here, but at the same time, it pisses me off, there is no need for that in the game and I’m not happy that anybody on my team, whether manager or player, would do that…………having said that, I cannot understand whether or not it is hard for phillies fans to defend victorino, because he takes any chance he is given to be an asshole on the field, in the box, or on the basepaths, so while I will not defend the actions of my team, shane victorino is an asshole, lol

    • timasahh - Aug 6, 2011 at 5:13 AM

      Smiling because you hit a double and trying hard for that extra base considered being an asshole these days? I call it refreshing. Genuine enjoyment for the game and it’s not because he finds it easy. The guy works hard and is always picked on. You wouldn’t know because you were still irrelevant, but I can’t tell you how many times the Dodgers have thrown at his head when they still mattered. Vic does all the right things and because he has fun with the game and doesn’t walk around stone-faced saying all the right things like Halladay or Utley people think he’s an asshole. The guy just plays and speaks with emotion. We love that in Philly. No it’s not hard to defend him. Then again, that is unless he sprints into a brawl he’s been removed from and tackles a hitting coach. He’ll get suspended and deservedly so. But we still love him.

  12. lanflfan - Aug 6, 2011 at 2:43 AM

    Pretty tame by “benches clearing” standards. Not sure why the HBP, but it appeared to me to be premeditated/on purpose. No call for Whiteside to hop up and down like a moron. Even if he wasn’t trying to incite a fight, it sure looked like he was heating the Ragin’ Hawaiian’s lava.

    Should suspend Ramirez for 5 for the beaning, and Whiteside 5 for appearing to incite/escalate the fight, his poor tackling form and hopping up and down like a ten year old looking to start a fight on the playground.

    The Ragin’ Hawaiian should get 6 games off. He was in the clear until he breaks free from the coach and continues the fight. And he should be warned that future issues will result in longer suspensions, as his temper seems to be a recurring theme.

    And I’d give both managers a game or two off as well, to ensure no more funny business (but you know it will probably happen again at some point).

  13. citynative - Aug 6, 2011 at 2:53 AM

    Attempt a steal up 6 late or swing 3-0 late up 6 … take your pick of why he was thrown at. Victorino came out luke he was tough… flipped his bat… and then backed down when he saw Ramirez and Whiteside wanted a piece. Funny how Shane thought he was tough again after he knew he was well protected. The “Cryan Hawaiian” pushed over an ump and a hitting coach. To Philly …. remember what City has the ring.

    • dwil12 - Aug 6, 2011 at 3:17 AM

      yea because 6 is such a huge lead that nobody can come back from while lt only being in the 6th inning. well on 2nd thought as bad as the giants offense is that might be too big of a lead for them. dont worry your city wont have that ring for long especially after the dbacks beat you out for the division.

      • hcf95688 - Aug 6, 2011 at 11:19 AM

        Six runs IS a huge lead against the punchless giants.

    • timasahh - Aug 6, 2011 at 3:18 AM

      Not sure if you watched the game, but Victorino tied the game and then the Giants’ pitcher was taking out frustration when two innings later his 1-0 gem had fallen to an 8-1 blow out. Want to add that the game wasn’t that out of hand until Rollins two run hit in the at bat directly before Vic. If a team’s not playing hard with a five run lead they should quit now. The Phillies aren’t close to where they are now if they think for a second they ever have a game in hand. On the play, Victorino tossed the bat at the ground, yeah, but only after being hit in the back by a pitch, which from the sound of it didn’t find a nice soft spot. He took a few casual steps, and then was stopped by the umpire. At that point, Whiteside tackles Polanco before he can run in and stop Victorino, and a brawl breaks out. Victorino was kept at bay, slipped past his own coach, didn’t push over an ump, and then ran into the group of people closest to the pitcher that hit him, and the first person in the way went down. Victorino deserves to be suspended for his actions after the brawl had escalated. I don’t think anyone can deny that. But what conspired wasn’t all his fault. Cryin Hawaiin he is not. Also…Philly has a ring too, and an 11.5 game lead on the Giants.

    • mercyflush - Aug 6, 2011 at 7:32 AM

      citynative: “To Philly …. remember what City has the ring”

      yeah, I know that most Giants fans just started watching baseball in fall of 2010, but Victorino and many of the current Phillies have a ring themselves from the not-too-distant past, numbnuts.

    • gmc173 - Aug 6, 2011 at 8:50 AM

      Who has a ring? Yes the Phillies has a ring from 2008 and the Giants have one from 2010… whats your point? Gaints were just pissed they were getting their ASS beat so they decided the beam Vic. Who cares? Phils will win 1 of the next 2 to take the season series.

  14. gaels1997 - Aug 6, 2011 at 3:42 AM

    It was a brawl who cares, it’s over. Who cares about the 11.5 lead? No relevance in this conversation. The reason this happened is we won last year and you guys are very good this year..that’s never been the debate. In fact Giants fans that I know never says we were better..but the Phillies team, media, and fans refuse to give the Giants any credit for last year. Fact it, in the last 4 years we both have 1 ring..and people can call it a fluke..but that’s crap. It’s hard to win , that’s why it’s rare to repeat. It’s a tough game..and a long season. Let’s just all move forward. Mutual respect should be in play here both on and off the field.

    • timasahh - Aug 6, 2011 at 4:09 AM

      The brawl happened because a pitcher got mad that he was being pummeled and took it out on the wrong guy. And I guess you must have missed all of the articles on the Phillie websites saying we need to beat the champs to be the champs. Or maybe the interviews where the coaches talk about how good the pitching and the players on the Giants are. Or maybe the hometown media that talked for weeks until we got Pence that if we don’t do anything we won’t be able to beat the Giants. Or maybe the comments on all of the Phillies websites from the fans who thought we were toast after the Giants came to town and took 2 of 3. The Giants team and fans can tell themselves what they want about how the Phillies and Philadlephia feels about them, but the fact of the matter is everyone in the Delaware valley knows the Giants outplayed the Phillies last year and are our biggest concern if we want to repeat our fortunes of ’08.

    • wildbrookie - Aug 6, 2011 at 4:10 AM

      Hard for mutual respect to exist around a team and pitchers using beanballs. Win or lose, the Giants throw them. You want credit for last year, the team needs to grow up a bit.

    • timasahh - Aug 6, 2011 at 4:13 AM

      And to answer to the relevance of an 11.5 game lead…it means everything when it comes to good ol’ fashion, who-gives-a-shit-about-this-website trash talk.

  15. eagles512 - Aug 6, 2011 at 8:19 AM

    Victorino’s reputation precedes him? You mean as one of the nicest guys in the game? Because that’s his reputation. Learn the game instead of coming on here and making stuff up because you personally don’t like the guy. And Bocchy always seemed to be a nice guy too but that was bush league. The Phils just lost 2 of 3 to the Giants last week yet they get the first 2 this weekend and you start that? Learn to lose like a pro. As for Whiteside….what a complete punk.

    • mojosmagic - Aug 6, 2011 at 9:07 AM

      Starts what? Getting thrown at? We have won a World Series and 4 divsion titles in a row and have been involved in only two brawls both times with the Giants. Kind of tells me something. If the Giants think Rollins stealing a base with a 5 run lead on the road justifies throwing at Shane Victarino then Bochey should retire. A team doesn’t stop stealing bases at that point in the game!!!

    • clydeserra - Aug 6, 2011 at 2:39 PM

      he doesn’t have the nicest reputation.

      I linked to a couple of pictures of him grabbing people on a double play after he was out.

      They seem to be taken down. I doin’t know why but you can google it yourself

  16. bigboybilly111 - Aug 6, 2011 at 8:27 AM

    look at the J.O. from SF at the end as he takes off Victorino’s helmet so he can get hurt. Should be consequences for that

    • mcchef - Aug 6, 2011 at 11:46 AM

      Definately!! Or better yet, they should stop the brawl, let everone run back to the dugout, put on protective gear, then resume the fight…. He did charge the pile and tackle an old man in the back with a helmet on. Nothing wrong with Victorino being upset, but also nothing wrong with someone saying if you wanna fight, take off the helmet.

      • clydeserra - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:34 PM

        the big boy should read up on why hockey players drop their gloves

  17. mojosmagic - Aug 6, 2011 at 8:59 AM

    Wonder if any players picked up on Jonathon Sanchez throwing his leg out at Shane on the infield hit? Shane was well past the bag when Sanchez extended (kicked) his leg in a way that Shane was lucky he didn’t blow out his Achilles tendon. No reason for Sanchez to do that and I am 100% certain it was done on purpose. That cheap shot was far more dangerous then the pitch that hit him which caused the brawl. So the Giants get lucky and celebrate a Championship on our field then throw at us because they aren’t as good? Whitehead their worthless catcher is hopping up and down like he is in a boxing ring? Botchy over uses our pitchers in an All Star game while not using his starters at all? Their pitchers complain because Charlie didn’t put them in the Hall of Fame? Anyway I have a feeling the Giants, flavor of the year in 2010 are desperate and finished.

  18. dbick - Aug 6, 2011 at 9:19 AM

    This was super entertaining. I never understand when people call Vic an asshole, what does he do that makes him an asshole? No one ever seems to have an adequate answer for the question. “uhh he runs hard and stuff, and gets angry when people hit him on purpose with fastballs, thats why he’s an asshole”

    • spudchukar - Aug 6, 2011 at 11:07 AM

      It’s the Hawaiian attitude. Big Kahuna.

  19. drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 9:48 AM

    We also learned that pandas like to attack from behind then retreat.

    • Old Gator - Aug 6, 2011 at 10:11 AM

      Yeah, before the bamboo knows what hit it and gets really pissed off….

      I enjoyed that one. It looked like a mosh pit, not a “brawl,” for Buddha’s sake. Know what would be really funny? A brawl between Giants and Phillies fans. That’d be like a death match between a chihuahua and a pit bulldog.

      • cleverbob - Aug 6, 2011 at 11:22 AM

        I know you’re joking, but thumbs down because too many fans just don’t know when they’ve taken it too far. Looking at you, LA.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 10:11 AM

      What nobody saw Sandoval sucker punch somebody from behind then run away?

      • halladaysbiceps - Aug 6, 2011 at 10:20 AM

        I didn’t. When did it happen?

      • bigxrob - Aug 6, 2011 at 10:22 AM

        You are correct.I don’t know if I would caal it a punch, but he definitly shoved/pushed someone then ran away. Pretty weak.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 10:24 AM

        After Victorino charged the pile a second time. He threw a left hook then ran away.

      • bigxrob - Aug 6, 2011 at 10:27 AM

        Bicepts, start watching at the 1:45 mark of the link DJ provided.

      • halladaysbiceps - Aug 6, 2011 at 10:31 AM


        I’ll take your word that it happened. I just re-watched it about 5 times and I don’t see the Sandoval punch. It difficult to see everything that goes on in baseball brawls.

      • bigxrob - Aug 6, 2011 at 10:31 AM

        You’re right, he did throw a punch. I thought Whiteside came off as the biggest D-bag last night. Maybe it was the giant panda.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 10:35 AM

        Look closely. It looked to be at Victorino when Shane was going to the ground…right about the 1:45 mark like he said above. Sandoval throws a quick hook then high tails it out.

      • halladaysbiceps - Aug 6, 2011 at 10:38 AM

        Thanks, bigxrob. I saw the punch. The reason I didn’t see the Sandoval punch initially was because I was watching the brawl on the Phillies website, which did not show it.

        Lol!!! Unbelievable. Sandoval throws a punch and ran away. Maybe he should be call “Pansy” instead of “Panda”.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 10:39 AM

        Also, did anybody notice Sanchez kicking out his leg when Victorino beat him to first on the infield single? I could be wrong about that and can’t find a replay, but it looked like he did.

      • halladaysbiceps - Aug 6, 2011 at 10:48 AM

        Doctor, I saw Sanchez put his leg out as well. Looked like he was trying to trip and hut him. I forgot about it with all the other crap that went on.

        The Giants are showing there true colors now. They are a team that plays dirty and all can see it now. If I were a Giants fan, I would hold my head in shame. Those players are a disgrace.

  20. halladaysbiceps - Aug 6, 2011 at 10:09 AM

    Whiteside is a gutless wonder who should be suspended a minimum of 5 games for the stunt he pulled. Anyone that says this guy did not instigate the brawl is clueless.

    • clydeserra - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:39 PM

      yes, he was hopping near on the infield, but the Phillies are all adults, they don’t have to engage in a fight.

  21. cintiphil - Aug 6, 2011 at 10:15 AM

    Well, looks like the competition is heating up. Perhaps the gas house gang antics was just the beginning. Good ole fashioned baseball is here. This may be an exciting season after all. And did you see that cry baby Ortiz complaining about his No RBI?

    For all of you out there that thought this game was played by gentlemen who never complained, or got mad, this is how the game was played for decades in the past. Hope no one really gets hurt bad. Good to see it again. This is what made the game interesting to watch. It seems that the end of the season will be interesting. I am looking forward to the Philies and Giants in the post season.

  22. sultryabyss - Aug 6, 2011 at 10:27 AM

    I’ve been a Giants fan all my life and I am disappointed in how they behaved last night. It is not the Phillies fault that we are playing poorly and there is no reason for us to act in that manner. They need to just play ball and not resort to these stupid antics to vent frustrations.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 10:37 AM

      Yeah, similarly I would be upset if the Phillies retaliate this weekend.

  23. spudchukar - Aug 6, 2011 at 11:00 AM

    Rumor has it, from undisclosed sources that both Halliday and Lee suffered injuries that could end their playing time this year. For the Giants, both Cain and Lincecum were nicked and will miss a couple of turns in the rotation. Looks like the playoffs will be between the D-backs, Braves, Cards, and Brewers.

    • halladaysbiceps - Aug 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM

      Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a comedian in the house.

  24. anonmonster - Aug 6, 2011 at 11:09 AM

    I assume Bochy called it to provide a spark for the offensively challenged Giants. Not that that makes it ok, just sayin’.

    I’m surprised by all the Whiteside hate though. He was a bit too enthusiastic, but he saw a guy out of the corner of his eye and turned to defend his pitcher. Kruk and Kuip (not exactly unbiased sources, I know) were surprised he went low and thought he had a good opportunity to get in a shot there, if he really wanted to escalate the fight.

    • mcchef - Aug 6, 2011 at 11:38 AM

      Remember that you are on a Phillies fan website. When whiteside clearly tried to tackle Polanco at the waist, people on here scream that he was going for the knees when there is actual video evidence to the contrary. The beaning was un called for and the few Giants fans that are on this site admit to that fact. We dont try and justify it. On the other side you have Phillie fans try and justify Victorino being an idiot and spearing the Giants hitting coach in the back by saying “those things happen”. Giants were wrong for the plunking, thats clear. As far as whiteside goes, he was only getting into position to defend his pitcher. Victorino was moving twords the mound and whiteside quickly moved between his pitcher and the batter, just like he is supposed to do. People dont like him hopping up and down. Really? So what? I am sure the adrenaline was flowing fast. He acted as anyone would want their catcher to act. His first move was to protect his pitcher. Having said that, I dont believe Polanco was coming in with malice. He was probably just coming in to defend his teammates if need be. Whiteside, with adrenaline going just saw him running in out of the corner of his eye and reacted. It was a brawl people. I am sure Victorino and Whiteside both are a little bit ashamed of their actions after seeing it again, but not too many people act like themselves when put in the middle of a brawl.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 11:47 AM

        Who said it was cool that Victorino tackled the hitting coach? Like I said, those things happen when you act the fool and charge the pile. Big difference from shrugging it off and saying “No big deal.” And Whiteside’s hands were on the back of Polanco’s knees as he was trying to push him over. That is going after the knees and there is video evidence to prove that. If Whiteside was trying to defend the pitcher, why did he move away from Victorino? He was looking for a fight. Here is how the suspension should go: Ramirez 3 games, Whiteside 4 games, Sandoval 6 games, Victorino 7 games.

      • mcchef - Aug 6, 2011 at 11:51 AM

        Forgot the last 2 sentences….. The Giants definately called for the beanball when it was in no way called for. The Phillies are a good club and dont deserve to have a player put into danger (risk of injury) just because the Giants are pissed they are getting smacked around.

      • mcchef - Aug 6, 2011 at 11:59 AM

        I have no problem with whiteside being suspended. Or, for that fact, any of the guys you mentioned. Whiteside moved away from Victorino because the ump had ahold of victorino at that point. If you watch the video again, you will see, once this happens, whiteside does a slight turn to check the phillies bench. He is looking for someone charging in. Then he catches polanco sprinitng in from the first base direction and almost immediately reacts. I agree whiteside was looking for “contact” in some form. Though hitting someone waist high generally means your hands will be lower than that. Take anyone who has played or watches sports, and they will instictively put their hands behind the person knees in that situation. It is how pop warner kids are taught to tackle. It is NOT “going for the knees”. And, it appears, whiteside needs to repeat pop warner to learn how to drive through on a tackle.

      • anonmonster - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:00 PM

        drmonkeyarmy – He moved protect Ramirez’s back as the plate ump was blocking Victorino. Yes, Whiteside may have been trying to push Polanco over, but it didn’t look like his knees were in any danger, and the alternatives may have been even less desirable. I’m just saying I think it was more of a protective move that, as mcchef pointed out, came from a guy who had his adrenaline pumping.

        As for Sandoval’s suspension, what did he do? I was watching the game live and, while I saw Fontenot took his spot after the bench clearing, I didn’t see anything in the many replays, nor was there an on-air mention. Most of the post-scuffle chatter was about Huff getting knicked up and the hitting coach getting tackled.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:02 PM

        Fair points on everything accept Sandoval. He threw the only punch I saw. You can see it on the clip DJ provided. At around the 1:45 mark, he threw a left hook at what looked to be Victorino then ran away.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:12 PM

        I don’t really think we are disagreeing much actually. I think we might have slightly different takes on Whiteside’s involvement but that is about it.

      • mcchef - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:12 PM

        monster, about 1:45 someone comes rushing in from the phillies and falls into sandovals legs (atleast it looks that way). Sandoval falls back alittle from this, steps forward and throws a punch at the guy (again, atleast it looks that way) while he is on the ground. If this is what happened, it is totally inexcusable. People do stupid ass things when in a mob, but that makes the action even more reprehensible. Times like this is when professionals need to keep a clear head and not give in to instict. Thank god Rowand yanked pablo out of there immediately before he did something else stupid. Oh and for that fact, pablo did not punch and run away like phillie phans would have you believe, Rowand pulled him away from behind, thankfully.

      • halladaysbiceps - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:18 PM

        Doctor, I have watched the replay a few more times. I can never recall in any baseball fight a guy who throws a punch and rubs away. I think that may be the most gutless thing I have ever seen in baseball. Sandoval should be ashamed of himself.

      • mcchef - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:19 PM

        we probably are agreeing on most points. If we leave whitesides actions, which we disagree on out of the process, then we can agree on:

        1) The Giants started the brawl sans a good reason. It was totally uncalled for and they should be ashamed.

        2) Ramirez, Whiteside, Sandoval, Bochy and Victorino all should be suspended.

        3) respect should be shown between the Giants team, Phillies team, Giants fans and Phillies fans because these are great matchups and should be fun to watch again this October.

      • halladaysbiceps - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:20 PM


        Watch the video again closely. Sandoval threw the punch, ran away and was then held. There is no mistake about it.

      • mcchef - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:23 PM

        look closer. Rowand pulls Pablo away after he throws the punch. Time to stop seeing only what you want to see. Panda should be ashamed of throwing the punch, but he does NOT do so and run away. Watch it again, and look for Rowand behind him.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 6, 2011 at 12:34 PM

        He is right, I didn’t see that before. Rowand was grabbing him as soon as Sandoval went to punch. Rowand yanked him back which gave the impression that he ran away. Then Rowand grabbed him, but he was yanking on him before. Good spot. Yes, I agree on all that you said there.

  25. hcf95688 - Aug 6, 2011 at 11:24 AM

    Where was alleged tough guy Brian Wilson during all this?

    • halladaysbiceps - Aug 6, 2011 at 11:28 AM

      He was grooming his beard.

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