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Settling the Score: Saturday’s results

Aug 7, 2011, 8:39 AM EDT

Zach Stewart AP

It is August 7. On this date in baseball history, Satchel Paige became the oldest pitcher in major league history* to throw a complete-game shutout at the age of 46 (1952), Orioles third baseman Brooks Robinson set a major league record after hitting into his fifth career triple play (1967), Roberto Clemente became the first Latin-born player to be elected into the Hall of Fame (1973), and the Mets signed David Wright to a six-year, $55 million contract (2006).

* A 47-year-old Jamie Moyer would later top Paige’s feat, shutting out the Braves in 2010.

Your Saturday box scores:

Yankees 4, Red Sox 10

Reds 4, Cubs 11

Blue Jays 2, Orioles 6

Phillies 2, Giants 1

Tigers 4, Royals 3

Brewers 7, Astros 5

White Sox 6, Twins 1

Padres 13, Pirates 2

Athletics 8, Rays 0

Cardinals 2, Marlins 1

Dodgers 5, Diamondbacks 3

Nationals 7, Rockies 15

Braves 7, Mets 11

Mariners 5, Angels 1

Indians 7, Rangers 5

  1. drmonkeyarmy - Aug 7, 2011 at 8:45 AM

    I’m going to post a link to an interesting article on Ryan Howard. Generally, I think the author of the piece is something of a clown but this seems to be a little bit thought out.
    http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20110807_Naysayers_are_wrong_on_Ryan_Howard.html?cmpid=124488799

    • halladaysbiceps - Aug 7, 2011 at 9:22 AM

      Good article by Missanelli. I can’t believe I just said that sentence. He’s dead on with his take on Howard. He put more thought in this article than in his daily radio show.

      I posted the following .gif file last night in another thread, Doctor, but didn’t know if you saw it. Tell me what Chase Utley was going to do with his bat during the Phillies-SF brawl? I don’t think he appreciated that hopping up and down nonsense.

      http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h460/ZooWithRoy/tumblr_lphp0pj1sL1qj7n14o1_500.gif

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 7, 2011 at 9:31 AM

        Yeah, I had my eye on him with that bat in real time. I think he dropped it shortly after your clip ended. It looked to me like he dropped it as soon as he realized that he had it in his hands. I thought the best quote about Eli Whiteside was from Sarge….”He was hopping up and down like he was Muhammad Ali.”

      • aclassyguyfromaclassytown - Aug 7, 2011 at 11:15 AM

        There are some things I like about Missy Mike. He stood up for Philly against (The Hack) Skip Bayless, and he occasionally says things I agree with (such as his defense of Ryan Howard). All in all, however, I don’t like like the guy. He is better than Eskin, but who isn’t. He, like Eskin, will talk down to people who call in to his show like he’s smarter and better than they are. He also thought it would be stupid to go for Hunter Pence, and thought we should’ve given up the farm to get Beltran. I look at him as a blind squirrel. The sghame of it is that a lot of young guys listen to him, and think he’s the greatest cause they don’t know much about sports or sports talk. You’ll hear a lot of young people call in his show and back down from, their own points in a heartbeat, saying “Aw, good point, good point. I never thought about that” and I’m listening like “Are you paying these idiots to call in and make you sound smarter?”. The guy doesn’t do his homework, and I’m sure any Philly fan that actually reads any of these blogs has twice the sports knowledge of him, and would be better fit to talk sports on the radio. Leave it to ESPN to hire a guy like that to be the face of Philly sports talk. And Doctor, thanks for putting me onto that Phuture Phillies blog.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM

        I can honestly say I’ve never listened to a second of his show. I don’t even watch the post game he does on PHL 17. Yeah, that guy does a really nice job with that blog. It is interesting to read because he has a pretty good feel for the kids, how they are performing and a their potential. I mean, I read the boxscores every night but they doesn’t really tell you all that much.

      • halladaysbiceps - Aug 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM

        Doctor,

        Missanelli is OK on the post game show on PHL17, but the guy I can’t stand on the show is John Clark. That guy talks so fast I swear he drinks a case of Red Bull before he goes on the air. Very annoying.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 7, 2011 at 9:54 AM

      I’m going to talk about Hunter Pence for a minute. I know the stats are going to tell me that Jayson Werth was a significantly better player, but there was something missing in the last season of Werth’s time with the Phillies. Remember when he first started getting regular playing time; he brought an energy that seemed to be missing last season. It seems to me that Pence is providing that energy now. I know it is not a quantifiable thing, but he is bringing a level of excitement and passion that I think can only help the Phillies.

      • halladaysbiceps - Aug 7, 2011 at 10:02 AM

        Actually, you would be suprised that if you average their stats out across the board over the last 4-5 years, they are almost identical, with the edge in several catagories to Pence. I don’t have the stats in front of me, but someone did a comparison the other day.

        But, you are right about the excitement that Pence has brought to this team. It is a quality that cannot be measured. He seems to be playing better too in Philly as opposed to Houston this year. It has to do with playing for a winner. I’m sure as a player you can rise to the occasion because you actually want to go to the ballpark everyday.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 7, 2011 at 10:07 AM

        Yeah, it must be hard playing in Houston these days. It is a shame really. I’ve always liked the Astros except for Billy Wagner. Biggio, Bagwell, Berkman, etc. were class players.

      • halladaysbiceps - Aug 7, 2011 at 10:21 AM

        Yeah. Pat “The Machine” Burrell called Wagner a rat. I thought that was pretty funny. It turned out that he was.

        Now, onto today’s game. Obviously, I want the Phillies to sweep. But, at the same time, against Lincecum, I know that will be tough. My main hope is that Oswalt will be able to pitch effectively and come out of the game injury-free. If he can do that and we still lose a close game, I can live with that. Don’t want to get too greedy.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 7, 2011 at 11:25 AM

        Outside of his mouth, I turned against Wagner late in the 2005 season. It was in early September and the Phillies had a pretty long homestand…to which I went to every single game. They were playing the Astros and got swept and Wagner took the loss in the last two games. There was a David Bell error in the 9th inning of the 3rd game which didn’t help, but Wagner gave up a 2 out, 3 run HR to Biggio I believe. If memory serves me right, the Phillies ended up a game out of the Wild Card to the Astros that year.

      • FC - Aug 7, 2011 at 12:09 PM

        Doc, not only a game out of the Astros, they ended up 6 GAMES in FRONT of the Padres. THAT really galled me and which is why I seriously dislike the current configuration that allows for that sort of BS to happen. The Padres went to the post-season on an 82-80 record “winning” the NL West. Even the Marlins and Mets (tied for 3rd and 4th place in the NL East) were 83-79. Hell the Nats finished 81-81 in 5th place only 1 game behind the Padres!!!!!

        IMO, if you are a division leader but can’t bothered to post a better record than other 2nd, 3rd or 4th place teams in a different division, they should give you your “Division” crown as it were, but give your post-season berth to the more deserving team. That way your division leaders should be compelled to play better baseball and not play down their level because hey, you’re 5 games up in your worthless division even if you would be in 4th or 5th place in a different division. This is just WRONG!

    • paperlions - Aug 7, 2011 at 10:46 AM

      In other words, you guys liked the article because the guy wrote something with which you agree, whereas you usually writes things with which you disagree…..confirmation bias strikes again.

      • halladaysbiceps - Aug 7, 2011 at 10:49 AM

        Correct.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 7, 2011 at 11:18 AM

        I linked the article because I found it interesting and relevant to the discussion that was had the other day. I do, however, agree with the premise that Phillies fans need to cut Howard a break. It matters not to me what fans of other teams cut him a break or whatever.

  2. mikedi33 - Aug 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM

    For the record, Jamie Moyer now is the oldest pitcher to throw a shutout, he shutout the Braves last year at the age of 47.

    • halladaysbiceps - Aug 7, 2011 at 9:37 AM

      I saw that game. What Moyer was able to do with the slop that he threw up there the last few years was remarkable. But, the guy knows how to pitch.

      He still wants to pitch next year if healthy. It will be interesting to see if a team gives him a chance.

      • Drew Silva - Aug 7, 2011 at 10:26 AM

        Good call, thanks.

  3. cakrywyj - Aug 7, 2011 at 9:40 AM

    Every single point in this article was made the previous week on his radio show. In fact, he pretty much did a whole 4 hours on this exact topic. Maybe you’re not listening hard enough or you would have heard the thought he put into the show.

    • halladaysbiceps - Aug 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM

      I can’t listen to the guy for longer than 15 mins. at a time anymore, let alone 4 hours, because he’s egotistical and arrogant towards the callers. Just like the other clown, Eskin, but not as bad as him. I don’t listen to either of them much anymore because they refuse to just talk sports and are a couple of contrarians.

      • aclassyguyfromaclassytown - Aug 7, 2011 at 11:26 AM

        I should’ve scrolled down before posting. *See above post on my view of Missy Mike.

      • halladaysbiceps - Aug 7, 2011 at 11:34 AM

        aclassguy,

        Yeah. You pretty much stated what I believe about the guy. I think they are contrarians just to get under people’s skin and generate ratings. The Bayless-Missaneli interview is classic and can be found on youtube. He takes Skip Bayless head on about the national perception of Philly and I suggest anyone who wants a good laugh to check it out.

      • professor59 - Aug 8, 2011 at 11:17 AM

        There’s a lot to like about Missanelli and a lot to dislike, too. He was at his best 10 years ago when he broke in with Steve Fredericks. He had enough respect for Fredericks that he was kept under control a bit. It was a fire and ice kind of combo. Since then, his ego has been our of control. I still enjoy his show because he is smart, but ESPN gave him the job with the goal of being the Eskin alternative in town. His was supposed to be he kindler, gentler radio show. But he does pretty much all the same things now, insulting the callers, hanging up on them, talking about them after they hang up, etc.
        He’ll never be as annoying as Eskin, who is uneducated and shouts down callers, but Missanelli still ticks off more than his share.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 7, 2011 at 9:48 AM

      I don’t listen to sports radio so I had no idea that he talked about it last week.

    • aclassyguyfromaclassytown - Aug 7, 2011 at 11:29 AM

      And what does it say about Miss Mikeanelli that all he can write about is the same thing he spent so long talking about on his radio show? If you like Mikey Miss, you don’t know that much about sports. Quit being brainwashed by that guy and form your own opinion, cause he only brings up good points about 25% of the time, if not less.

  4. nocryinginbaseball07 - Aug 7, 2011 at 10:36 AM

    Loved the Missanelli article. Love Howard, but I have been guilty of pretty much everything he mentioned at some point (he may have quoted me once). I am going to put myself in time out until I learn to behave.

  5. spudchukar - Aug 7, 2011 at 11:26 AM

    In the Melee between the City where you are supposed to wear flowers in your hair, vs. the City of Brotherly Love, Ryan Howard was seen trying to throw a haymaker, however, predictably he swung and missed.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 7, 2011 at 11:34 AM

      Spuds,
      You used this line yesterday on another thread.

    • halladaysbiceps - Aug 7, 2011 at 11:40 AM

      He’s thinks he’s a comedian. And not a very good one at that.

      spudchukar is turning into dirtyharry1971 and cup0pizza.

    • spudchukar - Aug 7, 2011 at 12:02 PM

      It is true that I repeated this line from yesterday. However, when lost in 157 comments, more closely resembling the Philadelphia chapter of the Mutual Admiration Society, I thought it worth repeating. Besides it is more apt under this posting.

      To Monkey: Do not worry about listening to Philadelphia talk radio, HBT is becoming the online written version.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 7, 2011 at 12:06 PM

        From what I gather, the tone from the Phillies fans on this site is significantly more positive than that of sports radio. I think your point was that there is a bunch of Phillies chatter on this site, though. Do you feel that is a bad thing?

      • halladaysbiceps - Aug 7, 2011 at 12:09 PM

        Just a thought: There are many other stories/teams that you can converse about on this blog other than ones the are about the Phillies. They put up about 20-30 different stories a day on this site. Don’t blame the Phillies fans who post on this site for coming out in numbers and talking about their team, especially with this weekend being an important series for us.

      • aclassyguyfromaclassytown - Aug 7, 2011 at 12:14 PM

        HBT is much better than most Philly sports talk radio. All withn the exception of the mid-day show with Glenn & Anthony.

      • spudchukar - Aug 7, 2011 at 12:21 PM

        It more closely resembles blithering than chatter. And hell no I don’t want any Phillie Phans to go away, where else can I have this much fun for free?

  6. APBA Guy - Aug 7, 2011 at 11:39 AM

    From Webster’s New American Dictionary:

    Depression: n, a condition or state of mind occurring in Giants fans after watching their team lose 3 straight to the Phillies at AT&T. Said condition is characterized by a profound silence and downturned eyes, slumping body posture, and lowered expectations. Sufferers are not encouraged to seek sympathy from A’s fans.

    And the A’s won on the road. For once one of the Rays pitchers (Cobb) had nothing.

    • mcchef - Aug 7, 2011 at 11:58 AM

      You’re an A’s fan? Huh, how about that, I know two of you now!

  7. mcchef - Aug 7, 2011 at 12:01 PM

    It will already be bad enough losing the series at home to the Phils, but I really need the Giants to win today or else coming on this site is going to be extremely hard tomorrow morning. Of course I will do so because I dont only come on here when things are going well for my team but it will be tough. Timmy vs Roy today should be exciting!

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 7, 2011 at 12:08 PM

      Giants are set-up to win this game. I have no idea what to expect out of Oswalt. Top end would be 2 runs in 6 innings in my opinion. I would expect Lincecum to be excellent today. So, it would be somewhat demoralizing if the Giants were to lose today.

      • mcchef - Aug 7, 2011 at 12:16 PM

        Yesterday was demoralizing, losing today would be….. I don’t know, something worse. I would love the Giants to score 2 runs in 6 innings on Oswalt, since it seems like the Giants players are going to the plate lately and forgetting their bats in the dugout. But, I agree about Timmy, I can see him trying to take the game completely on his shoulders and stop the losing skid all on his own. Trouble with that is, is that he has been throwing alot of pitches lately. In his last few starts he gets to 0-2, or 1-2 counts, then goes full before getting the outs. Hopefully if he gets ahead of hitters today he just puts them away instead of trying to be too fine. We will see, but mostly, you cant win if you cant score and the Giants just cant score as is especially evident over the past couple of weeks.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 7, 2011 at 1:53 PM

        There is no shame in getting shut down by Hamels. Outside of one start, he has been ridiculous the past 3 months.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 7, 2011 at 5:39 PM

        Top of the 6th….it is amazing the Giants have only 2 runs.

      • mcchef - Aug 7, 2011 at 5:43 PM

        No kidding. Too many men LOB. We were something like 0 for 17 with RISP before we got our first run today.

  8. mcchef - Aug 7, 2011 at 6:18 PM

    Did you see utley intentionally throw his bat at Lincecum! Unbelievable! He shoudl be suspended for 10 games for that! Sorry. I am totally kidding. Good to see Utley go out and apologize and Timmy say its cool, no worries. Professionals, both.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 7, 2011 at 6:36 PM

      There will be a segment of the population who will probably think that unfortunately. Yes, good sportsmanship on both parts. Lincecum had that running fastball working today. Impossible to hit that pitch.

    • professor59 - Aug 8, 2011 at 11:20 AM

      They’ll hit the bong together later lol.

  9. mcchef - Aug 7, 2011 at 6:52 PM

    Youre probably right about people thinking that. There are enough idiots out there. As far as Lincecum, I didnt think he had his best stuff early but still was very good. He didnt throw above 91 until the 7th when he started hitting 93 consistantly, like he usually does. Timmy through the whole day from the stretch cause his mechanics were a little off. Unfortunately, too much bad stuff happened in this series. Polanco is hurting again, and now Huff and Beltran are banged up. Not to mention both teams will be awaiting phone calls from the league regarding suspensions.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 7, 2011 at 7:11 PM

      Polanco hasn’t been good since the first month of the season so it isn’t anything new for the Phillies. What happened to Beltran? I saw he came out of the game, but I don’t recall the Phillies announcers saying why.

      • mcchef - Aug 7, 2011 at 7:13 PM

        He has an injured wrist. They ran x-rays at the park and, thankfully, they came back negative.

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