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Don’t tell Michael Young, but 2,000-hit club isn’t very exclusive

Aug 8, 2011, 1:36 PM EDT

Michael Young dugout

Michael Young went 2-for-4 last night to reach 2,000 career hits. That they’ve all come for the Rangers is noteworthy and getting there at age 34 means he has a shot at 3,000, but in terms of the attention being given to the actual milestone 2,000 might be just a bit overrated.

Young is the 234th player to reach 2,000 hits, which isn’t exactly exclusive company. By comparison, only 202 hitters have 250 homers and 203 pitchers have 150 wins, and no one really makes a big deal about either of those milestones.

Young is the 20th active player in the 2,000-hit club and Adrian Beltre, Juan Pierre, Paul Konerko, Jason Giambi, Placido Polanco, and Derrek Lee are all in the 1900-1,999 range.

Even reaching 2,000 hits by age 34 isn’t that rare, as Young became the 106th player to do so and if Beltre gets healthy within a few weeks he’ll probably become the 107th guy by the end of the season. Of that group, 27 have gotten to 3,000.

  1. reospeedwagon916 - Aug 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM

    Yeah but round numbers are just so awesome.

  2. clydeserra - Aug 8, 2011 at 1:58 PM

    With his defensive problems, and Beltre, Kinsler, and Andrus under team control for the remainder of his $16M per year contract, he is almost guaranteed to not make it.

  3. dsmaxsucks - Aug 8, 2011 at 2:00 PM

    Well there are 57000 members in Mensa and every one of them thinks that’s exclusive. And they give out a couple hundred Oscars every year and people get all dressed up for it. 1 of 234 seems a little more exclusive than you’re letting on.

    And Dizzy Dean won exactly 150 games, and people are still talking about what a pitcher he was.

    • Jack Marshall - Aug 8, 2011 at 2:07 PM

      Dizzy WAS a great pitcher. Koufax won just 165, and Pedro Martinez may end up behind Tim Wakefield in wins. So what?

      • ftbramwell - Aug 8, 2011 at 4:26 PM

        A win is kind of a meaningless stat to determine a pitcher’s effectiveness. Would you rather have Randy Johnson in 2006 — 17 wins and a 5.00 ERA in 200+ innings — or Felix Hernandez in 2010 — just 13 wins but a 2.27 ERA in almost 250 innings?

    • paperlions - Aug 8, 2011 at 2:11 PM

      Agreed. As over-rated as Young has been thanks to his home ballpark, being one of 234 people to have 2000 hits in MLB is pretty exclusive considering the tens of thousands of ball players there have been in MLB history and the hundreds of millions of people that have played the sport. Just being an MLB player is a pretty exclusive club.

      • b7p19 - Aug 8, 2011 at 2:46 PM

        OK, but how can you be happy about being in the same club as Juan Pierre?

    • boxchain has a loose changeup - Aug 9, 2011 at 11:28 AM

      57,000 out of 300 million is 0.02% of the population, if we’re limiting ourselves to the US.
      234 hitters reaching 2000 hits is 1.3% of the 17,500 baseball players in B-R. That figure includes the pitchers, so if you remove them from the population of hitters, it’s more like 2%, and if you want to remove batters who only got a cup of coffee, the exclusivity is even less.

      No, I am not a Mensa member, but I do know a bit about math

  4. Richard In Big D - Aug 8, 2011 at 2:06 PM

    He didn’t get 2/3 the attention that his highly overrated counterpart in the Bronx did when he reached 3,000, so how can you say it’s too much? Given that he was the first guy to get 2,000 in a Rangers uniform, and that there are still plenty of hits left in his bat, maybe even enough to get to 3,000, I think the fuss made was just about right.

    • banksatdixie - Aug 8, 2011 at 2:14 PM

      The difference is he isn’t Jeter’s counterpart. Jeter still plays shortstop. I didn’t realize that Posada had just reached 3000 hits. Weird they’d bench him after that.

    • Kevin S. - Aug 8, 2011 at 2:32 PM

      Jeter is overrated but still a legitimate player. Young is an average player people think is a perennial All Star. Real rich, taking the Jeter shot while defending Young.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Aug 8, 2011 at 2:56 PM

        True, not his counterpart but still overrated. Young is a career .303 hitter which I would say makes him an above average player

      • Kevin S. - Aug 8, 2011 at 4:00 PM

        Michael Young is the definition of a player overrated by an empty batting average in a great home park. Career OPS+ of 106. OBPs 50 points higher and slugs 80 points higher in the Bandbox at Arlington. Has a reputation for defensive excellence despite actually being terrible in the field at every position he’s played. Has a reputation for being a team player despite moaning and whining about being disrespected every time he’s moved for a superior fielder, and wanting out of the organization that gave him a ludicrous contract extension.

        A lot of the defensive and diva comments I just made can be applied to Jeter as well, obviously, but the fact remains that Derek Jeter has been a significantly better offensive player over the course of his career. Jeter’s overrated only in the sense of where he ranks amongst Hall of Famers. Michael Young is overrated in that people think he’s actually a great ballplayer.

      • chase1971 - Aug 8, 2011 at 4:02 PM

        I’m pretty sure Jeter is a terrible player now

      • Kevin S. - Aug 8, 2011 at 4:04 PM

        Given that 3,000 is a career accomplishment, we’re talking about Jeter’s career being overrated, not his current performance.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Aug 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM

        There’s a difference between overrated and average. No question both Jeter and Young are overrated but anybody who doesn’t think they’re above average players doesn’t no much about baseball or has a serious bias

  5. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Aug 8, 2011 at 2:24 PM

    Like when they said on ESPN last night that Mariano’s next save will be #30 on the year, tying him for most consecutive seasons with 30+ saves. Isn’t he already tied with Hoffman for most consecutive 29+ save seasons? But that’s not as sexy I guess.

    After all, that’s one more, innit?

  6. Senor Cardgage - Aug 8, 2011 at 2:34 PM

    Don’t tell Aaron Gleeman, but Michael Young doesn’t really care about 2,000 hits. When asked about the milestone, he said his only focus now is getting number 2,001. “It means something. The last thing I want to do is belittle it,” he said. “I know there haven’t been many guys that have accomplished it and from what I understand I got here pretty quickly, so I’m very happy with it and it means a lot to me, but at the same time I’m trying to see the big picture.”

    And so what if he’s the 234th guy to do it? That still puts him in the top two percent of major league hitters ever.

  7. 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Aug 8, 2011 at 2:53 PM

    Coincidentally there’s 234 players enshrined in Cooperstown. Does that count as “exclusive company”?

    • bosfaninva - Aug 8, 2011 at 3:13 PM

      Since the enshrinees include Rabbit Maranville, Joe Tinker, and Eppa Rixey, I’d say nah.

    • Kevin S. - Aug 9, 2011 at 7:15 AM

      Consider that those 234 cone from the pool of all players, not just hitters. Yeah, it’s considerably more exclusive.

  8. 78mu - Aug 8, 2011 at 2:57 PM

    Well, it may not be really really really really exclusive but I doubt Julio Lugo or I will do it. But it is still something a lot of us would like to be able to say we did.

  9. veryindifferent - Aug 8, 2011 at 3:09 PM

    This is really a horrible argument and it’s an even worse blog post. The Rangers made a big deal of it – not Michael Young. 2K is something special and it was done right.

    Just don’t share any more of your stupid thoughts on the Rangers, Mr. Gleeman. Let the real writers and bloggers do that.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Aug 8, 2011 at 3:36 PM

      Just a half-assed attempt to get some traffic on his posts. He probably doesn’t like the fact that Craig usually gets most of the attention on HBT

    • The Common Man - Aug 8, 2011 at 5:34 PM

      If it’s a horrible argument, explain why. Aaron says that it’s not a truly exclusive group based on the quality of the players on the list and the sheer number of them. Why is that wrong? If you’re going to accuse someone of having “stupid thoughts,” it would be nice if you offered some of your own that were not stupid to counter them. Alas, all you’ve done is assert it’s “something special and was done right.”

  10. koufaxmitzvah - Aug 8, 2011 at 4:10 PM

    Michael Young is Gaucho. That alone makes him awesome.

    SB, DP, IV.

    Go Gauchos.

  11. FC - Aug 8, 2011 at 4:48 PM

    Even reaching 2,000 hits by age 34 isn’t that rare, as Young became the 106th player to do so and if Beltre gets healthy within a few weeks he’ll probably become the 107th guy by the end of the season. Of that group, 27 have gotten to 3,000.

    I find this last nugget of information interesting, since only 28 hitters have managed to reach 3,000+ hits, it seems hitting 2K by Age 34 statistically improves your odds of making 3,000 to roughly 1 in 4.

  12. humanexcrement - Aug 8, 2011 at 10:21 PM

    Young has a bright future ahead of him as DH for the Oakland A’s.

  13. willo3g - Aug 9, 2011 at 6:57 AM

    I never like Jeter and Young so… They are good player but not big spot in HOF

  14. cull1224 - Aug 9, 2011 at 9:28 AM

    Who’s making a big deal about Young reaching 2,000 hits? Likely the same writers who are arguing amongst themselves that the feat is not such a big deal. In other words, they’ve got nothing else to write about so they basically “create a story.”

  15. loungefly74 - Aug 9, 2011 at 9:37 AM

    2,000 hits is nice…but 3,000 is the magic number.

  16. kdbaker10 - Aug 10, 2011 at 2:04 AM

    I watch and read national sports outlets and by no means do I think was overplayed nationally. I can see how you make the case locally but, as a ranger fan, it was neat to see a guy who has spent his entire career in Texas (moaning aside…though he has changed positions 5x, once after a gold glove…speaking of overrated…) be honored locally. There was a banner that night way out in Centerfield. I thought it was well-done by Texas and well handled by MY.

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