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Phillies-Giants scuffle leads to three-game suspension for Shane Victorino, fines for others

Aug 8, 2011, 5:46 PM EDT

Shane Victorino, Mike Muchlinski,Ramon Ramirez

The disciplinary fallout from the Phillies-Giants scuffle Friday night is pretty minor, with Shane Victorino receiving a three-game suspension and no other players from either team getting more than undisclosed fines.

Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com reports that Victorino will appeal his suspension, which stems from what MLB described as “aggressive actions that prolonged the bench-clearing incident between the clubs.”

Considering he made contact with an umpire and re-entered the scrum after being pulled away initially three games actually seems pretty light. Placido Polanco from the Phillies’ side and Ramon Ramirez and Eli Whiteside from the Giants’ side were fined, and at least in Ramirez’s case the lack of a suspension surprises me.

  1. insaneinthemembraines - Aug 8, 2011 at 5:47 PM

    Well that’s a crock of sh*t

  2. grapes911 - Aug 8, 2011 at 5:50 PM

    Three games seems very light for jumping back in the pile. I’m really shocked that Whiteside didn’t get a game or two though. I believe he is the one that started the pushing and shoving.

    • hittfamily - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:57 PM

      Whiteside did nothing wrong. He didn’t “tackle” anyone as has been reported. He kept someone who had no business being around the mound from going to the mound. He didnt try to injure anyone, just kept trespassers off the field.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:01 PM

        Seriously? He was the first to initiate contact.

      • hittfamily - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:08 PM

        He is one of 9 players who were allowed to be where he was, between the lines. He didnt charge the dugout. The dougout charged the field. Unless he is supposed to turn and run, he did the least agressive thing he possibly could have. He grabbed an aggressor and held on, protecting his pitcher, as he is trained to do.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:17 PM

        You are acting as though Polanco was the only player to make their way to the general area. Whiteside went at the first person he saw. As you can clearly see from the picture above, his pitcher was making his way to Victorino. The Giants were the far more aggressive team in this altercation and it is a farce that nobody from their team was suspended.

      • hittfamily - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:26 PM

        I disagree. The pitcher was an agressor. No one else on the giants. Any Philly who headed for the mound is an agressor. Whiteside put himself between the mound and the dugout. He didnt charge anyone. Polanco charged him! Victorino attacked a coach from behind. He should be out indefinately. He is the reason that Whiteside did nothing wrong. When a group of thugs want to fight, just because you dont run doesnt mean you are an agressor. Because of Victorinos gutless, chicken shit,actions, sneak from behind attack of a non player, the Phils look like thugs.

        Victorino showed himself to be a thug lowlife. He attacked a coach from behind. That is so far over the line I am getting angry even typing about it. How is this different than what Latrell Sprewell was thrown out of the league for?

        And yet we are talking about a guy holding his ground when a bunch of thugs are coming after his pitcher. Wrong time Pilly fans.

      • aclassyguyfromaclassytown - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:36 PM

        “Whiteside did nothing wrong. He didn’t “tackle” anyone as has been reported.”

        That’s 2 false stements in 2 sentences. Are you blind, or just ignorant?

      • aclassyguyfromaclassytown - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:36 PM

        “Whiteside did nothing wrong. He didn’t “tackle” anyone as has been reported.”

        That’s 2 false statements in 2 sentences. Are you blind, or just ignorant?

      • hittfamily - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:46 PM

        How do you define a tackle? The only part of Polanco that touched the ground was his feet. Polanco freely admits that.

        So like I said, Whiteside did nothing against the rules. Jumping around made him look foolish, but he was being rushed by attackers, not the other way around. I am not a Phillies hater or a Giants fan. I saw what I saw. One team has the right to be on one side of the foul line, and the other team has the right to be on the other. If Whiteside were to run to the dugout and engage someone, he is in the wrong. If he waits til someone runs at him and then engages, he is just holding his ground.

        I stand by everything I have said. A Rays fan thinks Victorino is a thug. A gutless thug. He took a pitch just above the belt, started to charge, waited til his team mates arrived, then attacked a non player from behind.

        GUTLESS!!!

      • chadjones27 - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:46 PM

        “I am getting angry even typing about it…”

        Bochy has taught you well. You have controlled your fear. Now, release your anger. Only your hatred can destroy me.

      • insaneinthemembraines - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:48 PM

        Hahaha reactionary Giants fans are hilarious.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:01 PM

        Hittfamily,
        I respectively disagree with you. I don’t think anybody is condoning Victorino’s plunge into the pile, but it is clear is intent was not to tackle the hitting coach. It just kind of happened. An indefinite suspension would be ludicrous. I also firmly believe that Whiteside was looking for a fight. He called for the plunking and was ready to go afterwards. Meanwhile, the most cowardly of all Sandoval is trying to choke out Ruiz then throws a sucker punch before Rowand grabbed him and pulled him away. Back to the beginning, you also have Ramirez dropping his glove and charging at Victorino….but yeah, no suspensions for them.

      • hittfamily - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:03 PM

        There is no Giants fan in me. There is a “I hate thugs” in me. Victorino started to charge, chickened out, waited til all his team mates were there, then attacked a coach. That garbage has no business in the game. Don Zimmer attacked Pedro, so Pedro tossed him aside. Good for Pedro, I’d have done the same. Now imagine if Zimmer had his back to Pedro, and Pedro speared Zimmer. That is what Victorino did. The fact he only got 3 games makes me disgusted to be a baseball fan.

        Players never should attack fans, umpires, or coaches. Period.

      • aclassyguyfromaclassytown - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:16 PM

        I’ll narrow it down by the obivous fact that you can read these postings, so you must not be blind. Ignorant it is.

      • hittfamily - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:16 PM

        How did Whiteside call for the plunking? And as far as the pitcherwalking towards Victorino, of corse he did. When Victorino pointed at Ramirez and started towards the mound, Ramirez didn’t turn and run. His reaction was as I would expect anyone who has to wear a cup to react. He didn’t throw the ball then run to the plate. He threw the ball, the batter started to charge, and the pitcher was ready to go.

        I see by the thumbs up/down that most disagree with me. I don’t have a rooting interest one way or the other. Whiteside has 2 choices there. Start throwing haymakers, or grab the first guy to cross into fair territory and hold on. Whiteside did the right thing.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:20 PM

        I think that your account for what happened is distorted. He didn’t charge because he thought better of it, not because he was some how cowardly. Furthermore, if you watch the replay he was off balance when he pulled away from Greg Gross….there was no intent on tackling the Giants hitting coach. He should not have pulled away Gross and even attempted to charge the pile, but to say that he went after the hitting coach is incorrect in my eyes. Furthermore, the most gutless action of the whole melee went unpunished…that being the Sandoval attempted sucker punch.

      • hittfamily - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:21 PM

        I’ve been to your classy town and I pissed on it.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:22 PM

        Bochy called for the plunking and Whiteside relayed the signal. I’m telling you Bochy made some funny signal into Whiteside then put his head down.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:23 PM

        You are better than comments like that hittfamily.

      • hittfamily - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:34 PM

        Drmonkeyarmy

        That last comment wan’t intended for you. It was for the classyguy who has insulted me multiple times with one liners that add nothing to the discussion. When I am talking about aggressors, I am not talking about 5 minutes into the fight. I am refering to what got it started. Whiteside has 25 players running towards him, with nobody in between him and a mob of angry Phillies. In that situation, simply grabbing and holding on is a reasonable reaction, whether it was the first “engagement” or not.

        I also believe Victorino knew where he was going, and who he was hitting. There were 20 guys in that Melee’ that had Giants unforms on, and he dove to get to a guy who didn’t have one on. Either he wanted to hit a Coach or a starting pitcher. He intentionally went after someone he knew wouldnt fight back. I also respectfully disagree that he thought better of going to the mound. He took a few steps, and when the pitcher came at him, is when he thought better of it. He had flashbacks of Nolan and Farnesworth, and decided to wait til his team mates could fight his battle for him. Then he attacked a coach. I liked Victorino a week ago. I root against him from here on out.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:42 PM

        We are just going to have to disagree on this one. I do understand your point, I just see it a tad different.

      • hittfamily - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:45 PM

        “Bochy called for the plunking and Whiteside relayed the signal. I’m telling you Bochy made some funny signal into Whiteside then put his head down.”

        I was unaware of that. Thanks for the info.

        Nonetheless, Whiteside did nothing wrong. Whiteside is a backup catcher who is auditioning for the role of backup catcher next year. If Bochy calls fastball, Whiteside better not call curveball. If Bochy calls intentional walk, Whiteside better not override him. And if Bochy calls high and tight, he better call high and tight, or now that Buster can walk without crutches, he may be out of work.

      • aclassyguyfromaclassytown - Aug 8, 2011 at 9:16 PM

        And what town am I from? I admit rooting for the Phillies, but us Phillies fans travel well because we often live out of town. For all you know I’m from the same place you are. Claiming to know where I’m from and henceforth claiming to have pissed in the town I call home just proves how ignorant you are.

      • hittfamily - Aug 8, 2011 at 9:50 PM

        I shouldn’t have said what I did. I apologize to others here. I do not apologize to you shittyguyfromaclassytown. You show up to throw in 1 sentence in every post you make. I’m sure your town is classy, but im sure it gets classier everytime you and your spammer buddies go on a road trip. You contribute nothing. Your incendiary posts add nothing. You are an internet tough guy, calling others names for disagreeing with you and daring to discuss it it a discussion forum. 95% of your posts are 20 words or less, and yes, I did search for them.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 10:50 PM

        Hittfamily,
        This is meant as a real question. Are you able to actually do a search to get somebodies posts in a condensed fashion or do you have to go through all the threads and physically search for ones posts?

      • hrv1004 - Aug 8, 2011 at 11:01 PM

        There’s no way to assume Polanco was going after the pitcher and not trying to restrain Victorino. Not saying that’s the case, but we don’t know. Whiteside did TRY to tackle Polanco. There’s no way he grabbed at Polly’s legs like that just to hold him. He just couldn’t throw Polanco off his center-of-gravity by himself. You’ll notice if you watch the replay, Polanco does go to the ground once more Giants get there. All this to say, I don’t think Whiteside should have gotten a suspension. Victorino deserved what he got for diving back in, and I believe Ramirez should have got a game or two as well.

        -Signed, a Phillies fan.

      • hittfamily - Aug 8, 2011 at 11:43 PM

        Polanco was running towards Eli’s pitcher who had his back turned. Whiteside did the correct thing there. Polanco’s intentions were unknown to you, me, and Whiteside, but Whiteside couldn’t allow Polanco past him. Whiteside and Ramirez were both thrown out of the game, essentially having to serve a 1/3 game suspension, and they were both fined. Victorino was tossed, and got 3 games on top, roughly 10 times the suspension of the other 2. I think Victorino’s actions were 10 times more egregious than the other 2’s. He charged the mound, he shoved an umpire, he reignited a calmed down situation, and he speared a non combatant opposing coach. I’m amazed he only got 3.3 games suspension.

        Drmonkeyarmy– I don’t know how to search within the site, and as far as I know, it isn’t possible. I use an outside search engine (google), and it is always up to date, within a few minutes usually. Go to google and search :

        “name of poster” “Aug 8, 2011″ site:hardballtalk.nbcsports.com

        you can get rid of the date if you don’t want a certain date. When you asked me the question, this was at the top of your post — drmonkeyarmy – Aug 8, 2011 at 10:50 PM . So I search the keywords “drmonkeyarmy” “Aug 8, 2011″ from the site hardballtalk.nbcsports.com Use the “cache” button to highlight the keywords if you don’t want to look through 100 responses to find the ones you want. I use this all the time. I collect clocks, so I search craigslist for expensive clocks I might be able to get at a discount. “atmos” “clock” site:craigslist.org That way I dont have to use craigslist’s search function that only allows me to search 1 city at a time. The ” ” means both keywords have to be on the page, so I dont end up with 10,000 car listings advertising that their vehicle has a clock.

        Hope that helped.

      • mox19380 - Aug 9, 2011 at 9:57 AM

        I respectfully read and disagreed with all your comments… but still did so respectfully. But when you insult a city and the 3.5million people that live there you officially go from respectable to just another Philly hater. Your comments are bs because your opinion is skewed.

        Fact: Pitcher threw at victorino
        Fact: Victorino gabbed at the pitcher nothing more
        Fact: Whiteside was clearly looking to get into something (evidenced by his boxing style hop around)
        Fact: Polanco is not a fighter and looked more likely to be going to break things up
        Fact: Victorino is not a goon or a thug just an idiot
        Fact: all parties should have been suspended at least one game. Victorino was suspended for re-entering the fray and that was stupid but there is no doubt that Ramirez and Whiteside were gunning for him

        Fact: If those Gigantes make the playoffs and face the Phillies Whiteside may want to book extra security when he comes to philly… i have a feeling the fans may have a few choice things to say

      • hittfamily - Aug 9, 2011 at 2:17 PM

        I did not insult Philly. I like Philly, and have enjoyed my stay there everytime. A poster going by the name of aclassyguyfromaclassycity was calling me names, so I stupidly made fun of his city. I have no idea what city he is from. It was a shot on him., albeit a stupid one. I already apologized for it your holyness.

      • hittfamily - Aug 9, 2011 at 2:21 PM

        “Fact: If those Gigantes make the playoffs and face the Phillies Whiteside may want to book extra security when he comes to philly… i have a feeling the fans may have a few choice things to say”

        What are you implying about your city? He may need extra security for what reason? You say that I insult your city, then you turn around and insult your city, or were you implying something other than the fans in Philadelphia are violent?

  3. trigzter - Aug 8, 2011 at 5:56 PM

    I don’t think we would even be talking about this if Whiteside didn’t go for the tackle.

    • jasonburg - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:09 PM

      I’m sure what you meant to say was: “…if Polanco didn’t come rushing up like he was going to blindside Ramirez, forcing Whiteside to defend his teammate.”

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:12 PM

        Don’t be an apologist. Whiteside was wrong. He was a primary instigator. The fact that he wasn’t suspended is a joke…..then of course maybe not suspending him is a bigger punishment for the Giants.

      • trigzter - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:24 PM

        yea, cause polanco is going to randomly tackle your pitcher because he hit victorino in the back. whiteside was jumping for the fun of it.

      • philsfan1 - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:33 PM

        You are a total idiot! It was your pitcher who hit Shane Victorino, not the other way.That set off the storm. If the players are not allowed to touch the umpires, the same should now be the case for the umpires. As of now, any umpire who touches a player will be subject to a 2 game suspension. Victorino did nothing like the joker who spit on him, yet gets 3 games? Nuts run the asyulum that is MLB. Totally unfair.

      • kellyb9 - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:48 PM

        Whiteside jumped in front of Victorino like a boxer long before Polanco came rushing in. No offense, but it’s a large pile of crap that Victorino is the only person getting suspended here. I’m not saying he shouldn’t, but it’s a very narrow view to say he was the only guy responsible.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:21 PM

        Is that your way of saying, “Eli Whiteside jumping up and down like an enraged monkey is a hot headed loose canon who immediately made the incident much worse than it actually was”?

  4. nyyankeedave - Aug 8, 2011 at 5:57 PM

    Shouldn’t have jumped back in the pile. He already made his point the 1st time.

  5. drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:04 PM

    What a farce this is. Ramirez throws at Victorino then leaves the mound toward Victorino and gets nothing. The player who made first contact gets nothing. Also, the only player to throw a punch gets nothing. Great job MLB.

    • cleverbob - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:07 PM

      The thing is, Polanco wasn’t even going for the pitcher, he was running to Polanco. As the baserunner on 1st, the angle he took was clearly to the plate, not the mound. That lousy catcher should have gotten 3 games. Check the replay.

      • cleverbob - Aug 9, 2011 at 8:30 AM

        *running to Victorino…

  6. fat4jc - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:08 PM

    Ryan Howard threw a punch, but swung and missed.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:10 PM

      That joke has been used by others at least 3 times since then. Thanks for trying though.

    • evanwins - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:42 PM

      Yeah, but remarkably still manages to be the most prolific run producer in baseball since he entered the Majors.

      Most RBI’s, most HR’s best PA per HR, fastest to 200 HR’s (above EVERYBODY, even Babe Ruth).

      Rookie of the YEar, MVP, HR titles, RBI’s titles.

      But yeah, he swung and missed.

      • hittfamily - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:51 PM

        And still isn’t even the top 25% of his position.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:03 PM

        Gonzalez, Tex, Albert, Fielder, ?????. I will even give you Konerko. Who else you got? Don’t give me any one year wonders either.

      • hittfamily - Aug 8, 2011 at 10:20 PM

        Albert Pujols, Joey Votto, Adrian Gonzalez, Miguel Cabrera Prince, and Mark Teixeira are all better. Konerko and Howard are in the second tier, along with others like Youk, even Trumbo now.

        Dave at Fangraphs has a nice article how 1st baseman are easily confused as being over important.

        http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/zobrist-vs-fielder-a-position-adjustment-primer/

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM

        I forgot Cabrera and Votto. Disagree about Trumbo.

      • hittfamily - Aug 8, 2011 at 11:55 PM

        Yeah, I disagree about Trumbo too. I think he will put up huge numbers, but not yet. I should have left him off the list.

  7. spudchukar - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:10 PM

    What do you think the over/under is for 100 Comments on this Post?

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:13 PM

      I will keep it going in a futile attempt to make everybody agree with me.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:13 PM

      Spuds,
      That guy above stole your joke.

    • spudchukar - Aug 9, 2011 at 12:15 AM

      Perhaps it was serendipitous, who knows? I still maintain the brawl between the city where you are encouraged to wear flowers in your hair vs. the City of Brotherly Love has more comic value.

  8. mikedi33 - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:10 PM

    San Fran starts it and no one gets suspended. crazy

  9. mcchef - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:13 PM

    Yeah, someone in the league office is definately not a Phillies fan. I thought Ramirez had a suspension coming for sure. also thought Bochy and Whiteside were likely suspensions but not definate. Wasn’t too sure Sandoval would get anything because you never saw him make contact or where the “punch” was directed or if it was defintaely a punch or not. And why in the hell did Polanco get fined?? The only thing that they got correct was suspending Victorino. Polanco got hosed and Torre and his goons played favorites in this one, giving the Giants a free pass.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:15 PM

      You are a reasonable guy. In the context of everything that was handed out, Victorino’s suspension was fair. I actually thought he would get 7 games reduced to 5 on appeal.

      • mcchef - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:26 PM

        Thanks Dr,
        but I think 7 games, even 5 would be too severein Victorino’s case. He didnt sprint to the mound and blast the pitcher, or get pinned up against the backstop and start cleating dudes in the back or head. He got the 3 games for keeping the “brawl” going by sprinting back into the pile. His action deserved a suspension and, in my opinion which m,eans jack, 3 was about right. I wouldn’t be surprised if he does appeal and gets it knocked down to 2 games. But then agin, after seeing how the office let the Giants off scott free, he may appeal and receive more games.

        Also Dr, I am interested to get your take on Tony Bruno. I know you generally seem to call people out on racist, homosexual or other demeaning comments and want to see why you think there has been no mention of his comments on this site.

      • halladaysbiceps - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:29 PM

        mcchef,

        Don’t bring the Tony Bruno debate here. We talk about baseball, not something that has no bearing on this discussion. Save it, chief.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:33 PM

        Yeah, I didn’t see a thread on it on HBT. There was one over on “Off the Bench” but trying to have dialogue over there is pointless. He shouldn’t of said it, obviously. I only saw reports of the thing about being an illegal alien. So, I’m not sure if anything further was said on his part. I actually have no idea who the guy is. I don’t take anybody on sports radio or ESPN’s daily programming seriously so i don’t pay attention to them. If he wanted to call him gutless or a coward, whatever. However, bringing race into the discussion crossed the line. He knows it too. I’m not sure if there was any punishment doled out but there should be. While I don’t think he should be fired (assuming this was a first time offense) a suspension should probably be in order.

      • mcchef - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:37 PM

        Actually Biceps,
        This site consistantly brings up when sportstalk personalities or broadcasters say bone head things. Just last week there was an article on here about Rob Dibble saying things about Strasburg. Thanks for stopping by though.

      • philsfan1 - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:46 PM

        Not fair! No Giants player gets a game. Fair is their pitcher getting at least a 7 game, Whiteside getting 7, Bochy getting 2 for ordering the hit, and Victorino getting 2, not 3 games, 1 for contact w/ ump, and 1 for going back into pile. Polanco deserves nothing after getting blindsided by tackle by who was supposed to be a catcher, but thought was a football player. MLB definitely played favorites here. I thought Torre was a class guy, wrong!!!!

      • halladaysbiceps - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:46 PM

        mcchef,

        What is the purpose of bringing the Tony Bruno comment on this particular thread? Do you have an agenda in regards to this. Last time I checked, this is about the Victorino suspension. Correct?

        It’s different if you bring another baseball related topic to the table in a particular thread. It’s another to bring in something that some radio host said that may inflame people. I don’t understand.

      • mcchef - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:55 PM

        Biceps,
        There was no hread talking about bruno to comment on. I decided to ask the opinion of a guy whom I know to be a Phillies fan and whith whom I have been having some good conversations with lately. I do not see why you are so worried about it and are trying to act as the HBT thread police. If you dont like my question that was directed twords the Dr, feel free to comment of course, but no need to take it personally. I wasnt attacking anyone, just looking for one guys opinion. With that said, I am going back to cooking dinner and have had enough of you for the evening. Have a good night.

      • halladaysbiceps - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:01 PM

        mcchef,

        It is in the context that you brought up the Bruno comment. Why do you care what Bruno said? Who cares? I know the question wasn’t directed at me, but it seems to me you are a laissez faire Giants fan that wants to stir the pot further by bringing up Bruno’s comments to add fuel to the fire. And I don’t like it. Was that clear enough, chief?

      • koufaxmitzvah - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:24 PM

        I actually see Rob Dibble more as a former pitcher than a baseball commentator on satellite radio.

  10. drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:16 PM

    Look at the picture above in the article. Victorino is barely beyond home plate. Look where Ramirez was. So, his actions weren’t aggressive?

    • mcchef - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:28 PM

      Couldn’t agree more. People want to talk about Whiteside or Victorino being the instigator, but Ramirez intentionally beaned a guy with a 90+ mph fastball and came at Victorino more than Victorino came at him (distance wise).

  11. halladaysbiceps - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:17 PM

    This is BS!!!!! “Come” Side, the hopping around, ready to fight anyone instigator, gets no suspension time, no “Pansy” Sandoval suspension, but they give Victorino a three game suspension and no one else? Thisw is why Selig and his cronies need to retire. What an outrage! What video are they watching?

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:28 PM

      Hey, I missed this the other day somehow. Did you hear Beltran’s comments about it essentially blaming Rollins for stealing 2nd. It was the 6th inning and only a 6 run game. So, the winning team should just stop playing hard. At least that might explain 2007 for the Mets fans.

      • halladaysbiceps - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:33 PM

        Yeah, I saw the comment the following morning of the game. It was uncalled for. Just shows you Beltran’s true colors. One a loser, always a loser. I never wanted him here and I think you know by now that I never called for the Phillies to get him with my comments.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:36 PM

        That is true, you never wanted the Phillies to make an offer. Did you hear what Tom McCarthy said about those comments during the game yesterday? It was something like this, “If I’m a Giants fan I’m thinking, we are stuck with that guy for the rest of the year.”

      • halladaysbiceps - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:41 PM

        Yes, I do recall the comments. While no McCarthy lover, I agree with him. Doctor, this suspension of only Victorino is an outrage. Now, do you understand why I can this POS Darth Selig? This did not just come from Joe Torre. I can guarantee you that! These people in charge have no idea how proper suspensions should be carried out.

        Victorino should be suspended. But there should be company for him!

  12. The Baseball Gods - Aug 8, 2011 at 6:39 PM

    I guess the league is saying it is ok for a pitcher to throw at a batter. That’s the lesson learned here.

    • wildbrookie - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:33 PM

      That’s all I get from it. Batters beware, the league hates you, so just stand there and take it.

  13. kingjoe1 - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:05 PM

    Complete bull. Why do umpires hold one guy back and let one their guys injure polanco? Selig sucks!

    • joelgold - Aug 8, 2011 at 10:03 PM

      Polanco has a sports hernia, and the Phillies acknowledge it has nothing to do with the brawl. Facts are sometimes useful when trying to make your point. If Victorino hadn’t rushed back into the pile he probably wouldn’t have been suspended either. I am surprised that Ramirez didn’t get some time off, as no matter what side you are on it’s pretty clear it was intentional.

  14. 60and6 - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:27 PM

    On it’s own I’ve got no beef with 3 games for Victorino. Bump the ump, fine, whatever. He was trying to get away from the guy holding him, but a punishment makes sense.

    But Yadier Molina got 5 games for going after an umpire aggressively, spitting on him, bumping him repeatedly and needing people to keep him away from the ump. Compare the two, and either Victorino got jobbed, or Molina got off light.

    Compare Weaver and Ramirez, I can’t figure out for the life of me how Ramirez avoided any suspension. Did they really expect him to confess?

    And Whiteside, just wow. Maybe the benches clear anyway, but that doesn’t escalate to the level it did without his Deion-worthy tackle attempt.

    • halladaysbiceps - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:33 PM

      Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!!! A voice of reason. Suspension for Victorino and no one else? What a joke!

    • drmonkeyarmy - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:57 PM

      Leave Deion alone. He gets a bad rep about his tackling, but it wasn’t as bad as people make it out to be. That was an Asante like tackle.

    • hittfamily - Aug 8, 2011 at 10:48 PM

      Weaver was warned not to do what he did. There was no warning given to Ramirez. It is perfectly legal to go inside. If you start suspending players for pitching inside, there will be a riot, and I will be leading the charge.

      I think Ramirez tried to hit him. I think everyone thinks he tried to hit him. But no one is sure. There were runners on first and third in a 6 run game with 9 at bats left. If Ramirez tried to put another runner in scoring position, it was incredibly foolish, and that is how MLB has to look at it. That is how Victorino should have looked at it too. Victorino took one in the lower back, and should have taken his base.

      If Victorino acts like Ryan Braun, Ramirez is thrown out of the game, and Victorino gets to play tommorrow. Instead, he thugged it up and now he gets to sit.

      • 60and6 - Aug 8, 2011 at 11:49 PM

        First of all, there was no warning given to Ramirez because before that play there was no reason to give him a warning. All that had happened to that point was the Phillies had hit Ramirez around in that inning. Ramirez was frustrated because the game was blown open on his watch, and decided to take it out on Victorino. If it’s up to the umps to know in advance when a player is going to do something stupid, we’ve got bigger problems than we know.

        Secondly, if we need to know for sure if Ramirez threw at him, why did Carlos Carrasco get tossed without a warning last week? It’s the ump’s call, and there’s no question it was intentional. And by your logic Polanco shouldn’t have been suspended because we don’t know what he would have done before Whiteside dove at him and kicked off the whole mess.

        Again, I’m not saying Victorino shouldn’t have been punished. I am saying that the Giants getting off scot-free is hardly consistent with what MLB has been doing lately in these situations, and is certainly not going to dissuade other lousy pitchers from taking out their frustrations on whoever they please.

  15. gershonpsu - Aug 8, 2011 at 7:46 PM

    I’m a big Victorino fan, but you can’t get physical with an umpire.

    • FC - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:04 PM

      My rule is: only get physical with the Mrs.

    • bleedgreen - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:07 PM

      The problem was the Ump got physical with him. Players can’t touch an ump, but an ump can touch a player? Thats BS. The ump jumped in front of Victorino, and put his hands on him, but its Shaneo that ‘made contact with the ump’? No.

      I have no problem with suspending Shane, but to say that no one from the Giants were at fault, even after Whiteside said in his presser that he called for it? Blasphemy. I might even have given Polanco a game off for it too. But Whiteside and Ramirez were the aggressors, plane and simple. Once again, the offenders get off when the guy reacting to said offense gets hosed by the league.

    • bobfromphilly - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:28 PM

      Agreed. But that’s not the only absolute. Intentionally throwing at a player can’t be condoned. Torre’s failure to send that message makes it open season on batters. Only bright side here is that Shane will only be missing batting practice against the Dodgers over the next three games.

  16. chadjones27 - Aug 8, 2011 at 8:09 PM

    I don’t think it came down to who instigated it. I think it mostly came down to that fact that Victorino ran back into the pile. I watched the video again, pretty closely. Chooch ends up on the ground, Shane gets away from Greg Gross and darts into the pile. He got held and pushed into someone from the Giants staff. Looks like no one else got suspended because there wasn’t anything much more than pushing and shoving. Although I think Ramirez deserves more than a fine for running towards Shane.
    As far as whoever said Whiteside was protecting his pitcher, fine. But, you can’t say for certain that he was actually running after the pitcher. By the time he he got near there it looks like Ramirez is pretty close to Victorino.
    And to whoever said Polanco had no right to be on that side of the foul lines: HE WAS ON FIRST BASE!

    • hittfamily - Aug 8, 2011 at 11:05 PM

      I said it. He left the baseline and ran towards the pitcher. He is not allowed to do that. Whiteside grabbed hold of a guy who had intentions on hurting his teammate. That is what all catchers are taught to do—protect your pitcher in that situation. If Whiteside gets suspended, they may as well suspend catchers for blocking balls in the dirt, or batters rounding the bag on hits. It is what they are taught to do.

      I also said Ramirez threw down his glove and started walking towards the batter. Good. If a batter starts to charge, the pitcher better be ready to fight. I’ve seen clips where the pitcher turns and runs, and he looks absolutely foolish. If Ramirez throws the ball and starts running at home plate, suspend him. But if the pitcher throws the ball, and the batter charges at him, he can do whatever he wants, because it just turned into a 6 on 1 for 10 seconds til the benches get there.

  17. loungefly74 - Aug 9, 2011 at 8:18 AM

    i hope these 2 teams meet in the post season…

  18. dasher521 - Aug 9, 2011 at 4:25 PM

    No batter hit intentionally, no brawl. That simple. There was a brawl. Victoino got what he deserved. Ramirez has to get a game, too.

    How come umpires are never suspended for “aggresive actions”?

  19. phillysports266 - Aug 9, 2011 at 6:17 PM

    Polanco was pretty clearly walking, not charging. Whiteside jumping around like an idiot inflamed the situation. Victorino got drilled, and then he was the only player being held from the scrum. The idea that he “went after the coach” is ridiculous. Ruiz and Schneider we on the ground and he jumped in after the guys who had them there. Have you ever been in a fight? Sometimes if its big and complicated you hit the wrong guy. Victorino should obviously have been suspended, but he’s appealing because Ramirez and Whiteside should have. Ramirez created the situation and Whiteside inflamed it. Those are the facts. In fact, judging by the quick response time of the Giants they planned for this and wanted it to happen. Polanco getting fined and Victorino suspended without any punishment for the Giants players (including Sandoval who threw a punch and had Ruiz in a chokehold)

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