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	<title>Comments on: The Roger Maris discussion heats up</title>
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		<title>By: Alex K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope you don&#039;t mean that about Selig, because he is about as much of a lock for the HOF as anyone currently not enshrined.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you don&#8217;t mean that about Selig, because he is about as much of a lock for the HOF as anyone currently not enshrined.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No he didn&#039;t.  He had a couple great years, and a lot of mediocre ones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No he didn&#8217;t.  He had a couple great years, and a lot of mediocre ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well even in his prime I would want somebody besides, Mr. Carter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well even in his prime I would want somebody besides, Mr. Carter.</p>
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		<title>By: explodet</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[explodet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 01:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because Dale Murphy fell off a cliff offensively at age 32. His Hall of Fame case is very similar to, but slightly weaker than, Andruw Jones&#039;. And Jones isn&#039;t a slam dunk HoFer either.

(Personally, I&#039;d vote for &#039;em both, but Murphy is about as borderline as you can get.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because Dale Murphy fell off a cliff offensively at age 32. His Hall of Fame case is very similar to, but slightly weaker than, Andruw Jones&#8217;. And Jones isn&#8217;t a slam dunk HoFer either.</p>
<p>(Personally, I&#8217;d vote for &#8216;em both, but Murphy is about as borderline as you can get.)</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 23:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What example?  How being an idiot and breaking the one rule that&#039;s expressly banned in baseball?  A shining example on how to lie for a number of years, and then profit off that lie by selling a book where you outline the truth?

With that kind of background, he should go play with the pros and run for Congress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What example?  How being an idiot and breaking the one rule that&#8217;s expressly banned in baseball?  A shining example on how to lie for a number of years, and then profit off that lie by selling a book where you outline the truth?</p>
<p>With that kind of background, he should go play with the pros and run for Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: nlfan865</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ok so with all your theories on stats and celebrity being reasons to get into the HOF or not...what about Pete Rose...cant believe no one has brought this name up....i swear the day they elect  Bud Selig into the HOF is the day i take my own life...we should let Pete in and let his example to the game speak for itself]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok so with all your theories on stats and celebrity being reasons to get into the HOF or not&#8230;what about Pete Rose&#8230;cant believe no one has brought this name up&#8230;.i swear the day they elect  Bud Selig into the HOF is the day i take my own life&#8230;we should let Pete in and let his example to the game speak for itself</p>
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		<title>By: killabri</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[killabri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Roger Maris had one of the greatest home run hitting seasons of all time, and is still the American League single season home run record holder. I believe that season is worthy of a display in the Hall of Fame. 

However, Roger Maris should never sniff the Hall as an official inductee. Roger Maris had a very nice major league career, and was a big piece of some world championship teams. What this does NOT make him, however, is worthy of Hall induction. If we start putting in guys with .260 career average, 275 home runs and 875 RBI (Maris&#039; career numbers), then you have turned the Hall into a joke frankly.

Let&#039;s remember Roger Maris for what he did, and the amazing season he had. Let&#039;s also not disrespect the members of the Hall of Fame who earned their way there with far superior play.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger Maris had one of the greatest home run hitting seasons of all time, and is still the American League single season home run record holder. I believe that season is worthy of a display in the Hall of Fame. </p>
<p>However, Roger Maris should never sniff the Hall as an official inductee. Roger Maris had a very nice major league career, and was a big piece of some world championship teams. What this does NOT make him, however, is worthy of Hall induction. If we start putting in guys with .260 career average, 275 home runs and 875 RBI (Maris&#8217; career numbers), then you have turned the Hall into a joke frankly.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s remember Roger Maris for what he did, and the amazing season he had. Let&#8217;s also not disrespect the members of the Hall of Fame who earned their way there with far superior play.</p>
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		<title>By: offseasonblues</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[offseasonblues]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Count me with those who distinguish between fame and stats. And with OG for his comments about the NY press in 1961. I was old enough to read and I was horrified, even though Mantle was my idol.

Roger Maris broke the 34 year old record of one of the greatest players ever, set one that stood for another 37 years (or still stands depending on your opinion), and did it under extreme conditions.  
I know his career numbers weren’t good enough, but his 1961 season stands alone in baseball history, and it was a lot more meaningful to the game than the careers of some of the players whose names I’ve forgotten because their great numbers had no context.

My solution is two halls: a hall of fame and a hall of stats. (I&#039;m not opposed to a third one for the assholes). The stats hall could have some clear standards with a little wiggle room to allow for good debates - and no character clause. The fame hall would be totally subjective.

I know that will never happen, so I say Roger earned his plaque in a slightly different way than Mickey did, be he did earn it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Count me with those who distinguish between fame and stats. And with OG for his comments about the NY press in 1961. I was old enough to read and I was horrified, even though Mantle was my idol.</p>
<p>Roger Maris broke the 34 year old record of one of the greatest players ever, set one that stood for another 37 years (or still stands depending on your opinion), and did it under extreme conditions.<br />
I know his career numbers weren’t good enough, but his 1961 season stands alone in baseball history, and it was a lot more meaningful to the game than the careers of some of the players whose names I’ve forgotten because their great numbers had no context.</p>
<p>My solution is two halls: a hall of fame and a hall of stats. (I&#8217;m not opposed to a third one for the assholes). The stats hall could have some clear standards with a little wiggle room to allow for good debates &#8211; and no character clause. The fame hall would be totally subjective.</p>
<p>I know that will never happen, so I say Roger earned his plaque in a slightly different way than Mickey did, be he did earn it.</p>
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		<title>By: royalsfaninfargo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[royalsfaninfargo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bradley was a great 2 sport star for the Tigers and had a decent pro career in baseball. I am from KC and grew up there so I remember Bradley quite well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bradley was a great 2 sport star for the Tigers and had a decent pro career in baseball. I am from KC and grew up there so I remember Bradley quite well.</p>
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		<title>By: proudlycanadian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[proudlycanadian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe is a bit long in the tooth these days Alex, so I do not think that any current team would want him hitting with runners on base. The exception is that he could pinch hit for Adam Dunn any day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe is a bit long in the tooth these days Alex, so I do not think that any current team would want him hitting with runners on base. The exception is that he could pinch hit for Adam Dunn any day.</p>
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		<title>By: thefalcon123</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thefalcon123]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m still waiting for the town of Columbia, Missouri to begin celebrating Phil Bradly in that fashion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still waiting for the town of Columbia, Missouri to begin celebrating Phil Bradly in that fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: rhandome</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rhandome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wrong. It&#039;s Barry Bonds, period. Steroids do not make you a home run hitter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong. It&#8217;s Barry Bonds, period. Steroids do not make you a home run hitter.</p>
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		<title>By: royalsfaninfargo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[royalsfaninfargo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want to really piss someone who lives in Fargo, ND (Roger Maris&#039;s hometown) off tell them he doesnt belong in the HoF. He was a good player, but not a HoFer. This town is covered in Roger Maris stuff. There are actual billboards up on Main Ave. that have his pic and a message that says &quot;Fargo&#039;s own Roger Maris: The legitimate home run king&quot;, no BS. There is a Roger Maris Cancer Center at one of the hospitals, a Roger Maris wing at the local mall complete with all kinds of memorabilia, Roger Maris Way is a street, a Roger Maris Celebrity golf tourney, and his gravesite is a tourist attraction for those who cant get enough. 
Like I said, he was a good ballplayer who has one huge accomplishment not a HoFer. Besides if he made it in they would probably re-name this town to &quot;Maris&quot; or something corny like that!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to really piss someone who lives in Fargo, ND (Roger Maris&#8217;s hometown) off tell them he doesnt belong in the HoF. He was a good player, but not a HoFer. This town is covered in Roger Maris stuff. There are actual billboards up on Main Ave. that have his pic and a message that says &#8220;Fargo&#8217;s own Roger Maris: The legitimate home run king&#8221;, no BS. There is a Roger Maris Cancer Center at one of the hospitals, a Roger Maris wing at the local mall complete with all kinds of memorabilia, Roger Maris Way is a street, a Roger Maris Celebrity golf tourney, and his gravesite is a tourist attraction for those who cant get enough.<br />
Like I said, he was a good ballplayer who has one huge accomplishment not a HoFer. Besides if he made it in they would probably re-name this town to &#8220;Maris&#8221; or something corny like that!</p>
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		<title>By: rhandome</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rhandome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Edgar Renteria has not one, but TWO World Series-winning hits. If that doesn&#039;t make him FAMOUS then what does? Put Edgar in the Hall, pronto!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edgar Renteria has not one, but TWO World Series-winning hits. If that doesn&#8217;t make him FAMOUS then what does? Put Edgar in the Hall, pronto!</p>
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		<title>By: halfthemoney</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[halfthemoney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think Mr. Maris is a good candidate for the HOF, especially in light of all that&#039;s occurred since he retired from the game. What I would ask for many making comments on here about players in the HOF that don&#039;t compare to many in recent times is place it in historical perspective. When Hack Wilson was eligible think of how many players there were to compare him to at that time. When he retired his accomplishments were, to be honest, still a bit larger than life. He also did not have to contend with a million semi-computer literate googlists dissecting his career (no offense intended as I am one). Bert Blyleven struggled to get in and made it in part due to a robust internet campaign that used both &quot;old school&quot; and sabermetrics.

My main point is be careful comparing some of the &quot;old&quot; stats to new stats. There have been thousands upon thousands of careers and what was phenomenal 75 yrs ago ain&#039;t as impressive now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Mr. Maris is a good candidate for the HOF, especially in light of all that&#8217;s occurred since he retired from the game. What I would ask for many making comments on here about players in the HOF that don&#8217;t compare to many in recent times is place it in historical perspective. When Hack Wilson was eligible think of how many players there were to compare him to at that time. When he retired his accomplishments were, to be honest, still a bit larger than life. He also did not have to contend with a million semi-computer literate googlists dissecting his career (no offense intended as I am one). Bert Blyleven struggled to get in and made it in part due to a robust internet campaign that used both &#8220;old school&#8221; and sabermetrics.</p>
<p>My main point is be careful comparing some of the &#8220;old&#8221; stats to new stats. There have been thousands upon thousands of careers and what was phenomenal 75 yrs ago ain&#8217;t as impressive now.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PC- I realized that after I had posted Carter&#039;s numbers.  It then grew into something much bigger.

And if my team needed the go ahead RBI with a guy on base I would want someone better than Joe Carter at the plate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PC- I realized that after I had posted Carter&#8217;s numbers.  It then grew into something much bigger.</p>
<p>And if my team needed the go ahead RBI with a guy on base I would want someone better than Joe Carter at the plate.</p>
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		<title>By: 1historian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1historian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Old Gator - GOOD ONE! &#039;Hall of fame for assholes&#039; - outstanding

Let&#039;s make it official - HOFA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Gator &#8211; GOOD ONE! &#8216;Hall of fame for assholes&#8217; &#8211; outstanding</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s make it official &#8211; HOFA</p>
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		<title>By: nolanwiffle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nolanwiffle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well sure....literacy is the cornerstone of a well-developed mind.  Now if you&#039;ll excuse me, I&#039;m going to go knock back a bottle of cabernet and watch some cartoons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well sure&#8230;.literacy is the cornerstone of a well-developed mind.  Now if you&#8217;ll excuse me, I&#8217;m going to go knock back a bottle of cabernet and watch some cartoons.</p>
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		<title>By: proudlycanadian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[proudlycanadian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I mentioned Joe Carter just so I could get a gentle dig in at the Phillies phans. He was a winner and I was glad that he was on my team. You could count on him to get 100 RBI&#039;s a season. If you needed that go ahead run, he would do what was necessary to bring the runner on base home even if it ment that he had to hit a walk off home run in the World Series (with Ricky on base). Carter scored the final run in one World Series and was playing first base when he recorded the final out in another World Series. I salute him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mentioned Joe Carter just so I could get a gentle dig in at the Phillies phans. He was a winner and I was glad that he was on my team. You could count on him to get 100 RBI&#8217;s a season. If you needed that go ahead run, he would do what was necessary to bring the runner on base home even if it ment that he had to hit a walk off home run in the World Series (with Ricky on base). Carter scored the final run in one World Series and was playing first base when he recorded the final out in another World Series. I salute him.</p>
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		<title>By: nudeman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nudeman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dale Murphy has been long overlooked. 
A crime. 
Had he played in NY as opposed to a 2nd rate market (sorry Atlanta), the NY media would have demanded the TriBorough bridge be named after him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dale Murphy has been long overlooked.<br />
A crime.<br />
Had he played in NY as opposed to a 2nd rate market (sorry Atlanta), the NY media would have demanded the TriBorough bridge be named after him.</p>
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		<title>By: nudeman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nudeman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A solid all around ballplayer who caught lightning in a bottle one year; two straight MVPs. As much as I&#039;d like to say he&#039;s a HOFer (partially as a thumb in the eye to McGwire and other cheaters), I&#039;d have to say &quot;no&quot;.  Very good career, but not great. 

And btw, before we have a referendum on Maris, we should discuss Dale Murphy. Also 2 straight MVPs, 399 career HRs on lousy teams, great center fielder. Why is HE not in?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A solid all around ballplayer who caught lightning in a bottle one year; two straight MVPs. As much as I&#8217;d like to say he&#8217;s a HOFer (partially as a thumb in the eye to McGwire and other cheaters), I&#8217;d have to say &#8220;no&#8221;.  Very good career, but not great. </p>
<p>And btw, before we have a referendum on Maris, we should discuss Dale Murphy. Also 2 straight MVPs, 399 career HRs on lousy teams, great center fielder. Why is HE not in?</p>
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		<title>By: thefalcon123</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/23/the-roger-maris-discussion-heats-up/comment-page-1/#comment-183245</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thefalcon123]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You think you&#039;re so smart just because you know how to read, don&#039;t you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think you&#8217;re so smart just because you know how to read, don&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: thefalcon123</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/23/the-roger-maris-discussion-heats-up/comment-page-1/#comment-183242</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thefalcon123]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone has their own bottom line on who they feel is a HOFer and who isn&#039;t. Most people would agree that their opinion of a HOFer is a player who was very good for a number of years.  By this standard, Maris is not a hall of famer. He only played for 11 seasons and only topped 500 PA&#039;s in five of those seasons.

The players who career numbers are most comparable to Maris aren&#039;t hall of famers.  Instead, Maris&#039; most similiar players are Bob Allison, Hank Sauer, Jay Buhner and Jesse Barfield.  They were all very fine ball playes.  But all good ball players that virtually no one would consider for the hall of fame (collectively, they nabbed a whopping total of 5 hall of fame votes). 

If I tried to tell someone that I supported the hall candidacy of a player who had 3 30 home run seasons (one with more than 50). 3 100 RBI seasons, topped a .900 OPS twice, hit .260 for his career, was an above average but not great corner outfielder, knocked in and scored fewer than 1000 runs in his career, hit .217 for his career in the psotseason...why...I&#039;d be laughed out of the room!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone has their own bottom line on who they feel is a HOFer and who isn&#8217;t. Most people would agree that their opinion of a HOFer is a player who was very good for a number of years.  By this standard, Maris is not a hall of famer. He only played for 11 seasons and only topped 500 PA&#8217;s in five of those seasons.</p>
<p>The players who career numbers are most comparable to Maris aren&#8217;t hall of famers.  Instead, Maris&#8217; most similiar players are Bob Allison, Hank Sauer, Jay Buhner and Jesse Barfield.  They were all very fine ball playes.  But all good ball players that virtually no one would consider for the hall of fame (collectively, they nabbed a whopping total of 5 hall of fame votes). </p>
<p>If I tried to tell someone that I supported the hall candidacy of a player who had 3 30 home run seasons (one with more than 50). 3 100 RBI seasons, topped a .900 OPS twice, hit .260 for his career, was an above average but not great corner outfielder, knocked in and scored fewer than 1000 runs in his career, hit .217 for his career in the psotseason&#8230;why&#8230;I&#8217;d be laughed out of the room!</p>
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		<title>By: nolanwiffle</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/23/the-roger-maris-discussion-heats-up/comment-page-1/#comment-183228</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nolanwiffle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1, 2, 3 strikes you&#039;re out!  It&#039;s &quot;etc.&quot; or &quot;et cetera&quot; if you&#039;re not into the whole brevity thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1, 2, 3 strikes you&#8217;re out!  It&#8217;s &#8220;etc.&#8221; or &#8220;et cetera&#8221; if you&#8217;re not into the whole brevity thing.</p>
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		<title>By: thefalcon123</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/23/the-roger-maris-discussion-heats-up/comment-page-1/#comment-183227</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thefalcon123]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think Hack Wilson should be in the hall, but he was a bit more than a 1 year wonder.  He had a 4 or 5 year span as the best offensive center fielder in the game and lead the league in home runs 4 times.  He finished in the top 7 in WAR 5 straight years.

My problem with Wilson and the hall is that he had a Hall of Fame peak....and nothing else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Hack Wilson should be in the hall, but he was a bit more than a 1 year wonder.  He had a 4 or 5 year span as the best offensive center fielder in the game and lead the league in home runs 4 times.  He finished in the top 7 in WAR 5 straight years.</p>
<p>My problem with Wilson and the hall is that he had a Hall of Fame peak&#8230;.and nothing else.</p>
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		<title>By: thefalcon123</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/23/the-roger-maris-discussion-heats-up/comment-page-1/#comment-183223</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thefalcon123]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Totally agreed Bleed Green.  We should put Kevin Costner in the Hall of Fame.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agreed Bleed Green.  We should put Kevin Costner in the Hall of Fame.</p>
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		<title>By: thefalcon123</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/23/the-roger-maris-discussion-heats-up/comment-page-1/#comment-183222</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thefalcon123]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@The Baseball Idiot 

...so it&#039;s not just a clever name!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@The Baseball Idiot </p>
<p>&#8230;so it&#8217;s not just a clever name!</p>
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		<title>By: thefalcon123</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/23/the-roger-maris-discussion-heats-up/comment-page-1/#comment-183220</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thefalcon123]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we put everyone in the hall of was better than the worst member, we&#039;d have to put in Ray Lankford, Fred Lynn, Darrell Evans (who may belong anyway), Babe Herman, ect, ect, ect.  I mean, a lot of guys were better than George Kell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we put everyone in the hall of was better than the worst member, we&#8217;d have to put in Ray Lankford, Fred Lynn, Darrell Evans (who may belong anyway), Babe Herman, ect, ect, ect.  I mean, a lot of guys were better than George Kell.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can look at basic defensive metrics and find no one that compares to Smith in terms of balls in play turned into outs, he had outrageous numbers of assists that no one else has ever come close to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can look at basic defensive metrics and find no one that compares to Smith in terms of balls in play turned into outs, he had outrageous numbers of assists that no one else has ever come close to.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Fiorentino</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Fiorentino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh OK...I get it...they SKIPPED 1930.  I didn&#039;t notice that...thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh OK&#8230;I get it&#8230;they SKIPPED 1930.  I didn&#8217;t notice that&#8230;thanks.</p>
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