Comments on: The Yankees aren’t afraid to go after Yu Darvish

By: Mike Sommer

Mike Sommer — Wed, 24 Aug 2011 04:15:40 +0000

Matsui had four 100-rbi seasons for the Yankees. Four times he hit 20 or more HR. His OPS+ numbers ranged from 108 to 137. He hit .292 as a Yankee, OPS+ 123 for them. In 56 postseason games as a Yankee, he hit .312-10-39. How did he underperform, in ANY way?

By: humanexcrement

humanexcrement — Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:25:40 +0000

I was talking about pitchers.

By: pisano

pisano — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:37:37 +0000

You’re 100% correct, if the Yankees didn’t learn anything from Irabu,and Igawa they’ll never learn. These guys just don’t hold up in major league baseball. One after the other has fallen on his ass. Ask Boston if they had it to do over again if they would sign that broke down Dice-k, and I don’t want to hear this sh*t about him winning a world series for them,because there were 24 other guys on that team. Hey let Boston sign him they don’t seem to care about taking a chance on 100 mil.

By: trevorb06

trevorb06 — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:27:22 +0000

What I’m saying is when the MLB gets a guy thru posting why not start him in the minors to let him get a feel for the new system.

By: youngyankee

youngyankee — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:50:03 +0000

how did Matsui underperform?

By: Joe

Joe — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:48:26 +0000

Because most of these guys are more advanced than the Latin American players (who sign as early as age 16), and really don’t belong in the minors. Did Ichiro really need to be in the minors to learn how to play in the US? Matsui? Daisuke has been a disappoinment, but even he was an above-average major leaguer when he came over.

And if the Asian players aren’t good enough to play in the majors, they usually do spend time in the minors.

By: dlevalley

dlevalley — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:44:08 +0000

This doesn’t really reflect the relationship between MLB and the NPB. While MLB teams are not prohibited from signing Japanese amateur players, they have agreed not to in order to allow the Japanese professional league thrive. Once a player signs with a NPB team, they cannot sign with an MLB team until they hit free agency or are ‘Posted’.

Therefore, there really is no mechanism for an MLB team to sign and develop Japanese players in the U.S. minor leagues. Unlike Latin American players, MLB only gains access to a Japanese player at the height (or even a bit after) his professional career.

Sure, the Twins could have signed Nishioka and sent him to AAA to learn how to play ‘American’ baseball. But then they are paying millions to develop a guy who has already gone through the development phase of his career (he’s 27). Then, they’ll either have to overpay him for many years (in order to cash in on his early 30′s, after he’s spent 2-3 years in the U.S. minors) or risk the chance that he departs for another MLB team through free agency (thus leaving the Twins with the development bill and another team reaping the rewards).

Sure, many MLB teams have been burned by overpaying for Japanese players on both sides of the ball. But sending them to the minors after bidding on them in the posting process is not the solution.

By: southofheaven81

southofheaven81 — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:31:39 +0000

Oh, but we’re specifically talking pitching. Never mind.

By: southofheaven81

southofheaven81 — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:31:00 +0000

I wouldn’t exactly call Matsui a “bust.” He underperformed but October 2009 makes up for a LOT.

By: trevorb06

trevorb06 — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:19:54 +0000

What I don’t understand is why MLB teams don’t treat big japanese players the same as big latin america players. Success in Japan does not mean success in the USA. They should sign these guys and have them start out in the minors and get used to the new baseball system. Even guys like Nishioka could have benefitted from this. He wasn’t used to the concept of take out slides and sure enough he got burned by one. This isn’t meant as any disrespect to foreign players by ANY means, it’s just that baseball is different in the USA than it is in Japan or Cuba or South America. It’s a different level of competition. Once MLB teams start to understand this (and really foreign players and their agents) then we’d probably see more successfuly players from Japan making more money over the course of their career when they spend 10 seasons in the majors instead of being run out of town after failing 2 or 3 seasons.

By: humanexcrement

humanexcrement — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:20:14 +0000

The Yankees have been burned? Pretty much everyone has been burned. Take away a couple good seasons by Hideo Nomo and one by Daisuke Matsuzaka and you’ve got bust after bust after bust. I’d leave this one alone if I were the Yankees. Let someone else break the bank for this guy.

By: yankeesfanlen

yankeesfanlen — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:07:21 +0000

I detect haircut/beard issues.