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The Cardinals are not fans of 3:15PM starts

Sep 6, 2011, 2:30 PM EDT

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I hope you’re sitting down for this, but the Cardinals have a complaint about something. I know. I’m just as shocked as you are.

This time: the 3:15PM start time for the game against Milwaukee yesterday. Seems it created shadows that made it difficult for Cardinals hitters to pick up the ball.  Albert Pujols and Matt Holliday said it was unfair for hitters on both teams. Holliday added that due to the shadows “if you’re not ahead in the third inning, if the hitters can’t see the ball, it makes for a noncompetitive game once the shadows set in.” Worth noting that the Brewer scored in the second, third, sixth and seventh innings.

To be fair, none of the Cardinals who spoke took anything away from Randy Wolf, who pitched brilliantly.  And Ryan Braun commented on the shadows too, so it’s not like it’s your standard Tony La Russa-inspired complain-fest.

But still.  Some days the wind blows in. Some days the marine layer settles in.  Some days there are 3PM starts and vexing shadows fall across the field.  Put your big boy pants on and deal with it.

  1. nolanwiffle - Sep 6, 2011 at 2:34 PM

    “put your big boy pants on and deal with it”…..but be sure to show a little stirrup.

  2. yankeesfanlen - Sep 6, 2011 at 2:35 PM

    When the moon is in the seventh house………..

  3. halladaysbiceps - Sep 6, 2011 at 2:36 PM

    I understand where they are coming from. Shadows can cause mayhem with any team, especially at the plate. It’s a major distraction. This reminds me of when Mike Schmidt would come to bat a Shea stadium. The amount of planes that would fly over the stadium always messed with Schmitty’s concentration at the plate. He would always step out of the batter’s box and let the plane pass before he stepped back in. These things do affect hitters. Just like the white rally towels that are overused so often now in the playoffs. It’s hard to pick up the ball. Players have said so.

    • The Dangerous Mabry - Sep 6, 2011 at 2:40 PM

      Keith Hernandez stepped out for every plane at Shea as well. And he played his home games there for years and years.

      • halladaysbiceps - Sep 6, 2011 at 2:46 PM

        Exactly. Distractions can affect a player’s performance in many ways. No offense, Craig, but the “Put your big boy pants on and deal with it” thing does not apply here. And this is coming from a hardass such as myself that would like baseball to be played like it was in the 50’s and 60’s. Distractions are a big part of what results in the field for both teams in a given game.

    • nolanwiffle - Sep 6, 2011 at 2:43 PM

      It didn’t seem to bother the greatest 3rd baseman of all time. In the ’69 Series Broooksie batted a robust……, perhaps those jets were a wee bit distracting.

      • halladaysbiceps - Sep 6, 2011 at 2:48 PM

        Brooks Robinson the greatest 3rd baseman of all times? Hahahahahaha!!! Funiest thing I ever heard. You are a comedian. I applaud you for your sense of humor.

    • halladaysbiceps - Sep 6, 2011 at 2:58 PM

      10 thumbs down for saying shadows can cause a distraction for someone at the plate? I’m guessing those people have never played baseball and tried to hit under these circumstances.

    • thefalcon123 - Sep 6, 2011 at 3:51 PM

      Is everyone just automatically giving Biceps a thumbs down now? I actually thought this was a reasonable, sincere comment.

      • thefalcon123 - Sep 6, 2011 at 3:56 PM

        This just goes for the first comment. Not the one where he says he wants baseball to played like it was in the 50’s and 60’s….I guess meaning an baseball needs more teams changing cities, more expansion and virtually no games on television.

  4. jj - Sep 6, 2011 at 2:38 PM

    Miller Park has similar shadow issues during day games. Braun has complained about it on a number of occasions.

    • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - Sep 6, 2011 at 2:44 PM

      Baseballs around the league have been complaining incessantly about Braun’s routine raping, murdering and torchering of their fellow brethren.

  5. kopy - Sep 6, 2011 at 2:50 PM

    Miller Park has always had weird shadows. There are many times when the pitcher is in the sun and the batter is not, and it plays with people. There’s not much anyone can do except deal with it unless they want to keep the roof closed at all times. Even then, I think the big windows in the arch of the retractable roof would create weird shadows as well.

    • kopy - Sep 6, 2011 at 2:52 PM

      This is a good example.
      The massive roof panels with the windows below create more than just a “two-face” shadow, and even those are frustrating at Miller.

  6. oikosjeremy - Sep 6, 2011 at 2:57 PM

    Since both teams are playing under the same conditions, I don’t see what the problem is. Sure, some playing conditions favor hitters over pitchers, or vice-versa, but so what? Both teams’ hitters and both teams’ pitchers still have to play under the same conditions.

    • halladaysbiceps - Sep 6, 2011 at 3:02 PM

      It has nothing to do with fairness or level playing field. It has to do with the individual batter at the plate and they cannot see so good. You can’t pick up the ball and it’s difficult to hit, for both sides. It’s not ideal conditions. I don’t have a problem for the Cardinals, nor any other team, saying it. They are being honest.

      • cerowb - Sep 6, 2011 at 3:09 PM

        They can’t see well, either

      • nolanwiffle - Sep 6, 2011 at 3:42 PM

        To the best of my knowledge, this is a part of playoff baseball every year. There are always shadows creeping across the third base line during afternoon starts. Pitchers have a slight advantage while throwing from a sunny mound into the shadow for a few innings. BFD….play ball!

      • - Sep 6, 2011 at 3:53 PM

        Hot chicks with nice racks can be distracting too. These guys get paid pretty good to play this game. Anytime you play anything outdoors you have to deal with the elements, deal with it. Quit complaining. You’re the only fan who wants to hear it.

  7. tuftsb - Sep 6, 2011 at 3:16 PM

    The shadows were so bad that…..

    Tony LaRussa didn’t know when to wear his sungalsses.
    Josh Hamilton advised Cards batters to use one non-blue contact lens.
    CB Bucknor had a better day calling balls and strikes than usual

  8. tuftsb - Sep 6, 2011 at 3:21 PM

    and Bucky Dent says it’s easy!


    It’s not shadows – it’s the curtain coming down on the 2011 St. Louis Cardinals’ season!

    • thefalcon123 - Sep 6, 2011 at 3:57 PM

      Impossible. That current came down over a month ago.

  9. bravesman1983 - Sep 6, 2011 at 3:45 PM

    The shadows are out to get Tony La Russa.

  10. clydeserra - Sep 6, 2011 at 3:47 PM

    But randy wolf was still randy wolf right?

  11. johngaltwho - Sep 6, 2011 at 4:42 PM

    LaRussa’s full comment when asked about the problem brought up by his players… “We have suspected for some time that the Brewers have conspired with Bud Selig to alter the earth’s rotational speed such that shadows could be manipulated to the Brewers advantage. If you guys in the Press would do your jobs, you would have noticed Ron Roenicke feverishly working a remote control during the game and I could swear I almost fell out of my chair with the way the earth was spinning whenever Albert came to the plate,”

  12. kellyb9 - Sep 6, 2011 at 4:49 PM

    “Albert Pujols and Matt Holliday said it was unfair for hitters on both teams.” If it’s equally unfair to hitters on both teams, doesn’t that make it fair?

    • baccards - Sep 6, 2011 at 5:46 PM

      Unfair to the hitters on both teams – advantage pitchers, both teams..and we know where that hurts the beloved birds –

  13. uuddlrlrbastart - Sep 6, 2011 at 6:36 PM

    Two things I don’t understand:

    1. This was a St. Louis home game. If the Cardinals don’t like 3:15 start times, maybe they shouldn’t schedule them?
    2. Thanks to Fox’s Saturday scheduling, eastern and central games always start at 4:00 or 3:00 local time. For the whole season. This is suddenly a problem now because the Cardinals are out of the race? Or is it just taboo to complain about Fox games because of the billions of dollars?

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