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And That Happened: Thursday’s scores and highlights

Sep 9, 2011, 5:18 AM EDT

Ronny Paulino, Chipper Jones

Braves 6, Mets 5; Braves 5, Mets 1: A makeup doubleheader. Chipper Jones made like it was 1999 and that dismantling the Mets was still his primary purpose on the Earth. Those were the days. He hit a homer doubled and scored twice in game 1 He drove in two more in the nightcap. Something named “Chris Schwinden” pitched for the Mets. They ought to have that looked at. All four of the starters in the double header were rookies.

Phillies 7, Brewers 2: Ryan Howard, Chase Utley and Jimmy Rollins were all out of the lineup. And it didn’t really much matter. Cole Hamels pitched a four-hitter and Hunter Pence drove in three in the first came of what could be an NLCS preview. Or, actually, if the Dbacks keep winning I suppose it could be an NLDS preview, as Milwaukee is only a couple of games ahead of Arizona at the moment.

Dodgers 7, Nationals 4; Dodgers vs. Nationals: POSTPONED:  They tried to have a makeup doubleheader in Washington, but they could only get one game in before it was washed out. A two-run double for Tony Gwynn, Jr. in the ninth broke the tie and a Dee Gordon RBI single added insurance. The Dodgers’ bullpen stepped up big here as Chad Billingsley was yanked in the third and the relief corps pitched a no-hitter for the remaining six and two-thirds.

Orioles 5, Yankees 4: The Yankees built a 4-1 lead but the bats went silent after the fourth inning. They have to be sick to death of the Orioles by now, who’ve they played in eight of the last 14 games. New York heads to Los Angeles now. Let’s see how snakebitten they are: will it rain in Southern California?

Blue Jays 7, Red Sox 4: The Sox drop their fourth in five tries. J.P. Arencibia hit a three-run homer. Andrew Miller was basically Andrew Miller, giving up five runs in five innings. But hey, at least there are those studies out there that show that how hot a team is in the last month of the season has very little bearing on their playoff performance.

Diamondbacks 4, Padres 1: Ian Kennedy wins his 19th while striking out 11. It was the Dbacks’ 14th win in 16 games.

Mariners 4, Royals 1: A two-run homer for Justin Smoak, his first in months.

White Sox 8, Indians 1: Brent Morel hit two homers — both while first-pitch swinging — and Paul Konerko hit a grand slam. The Sox scored seven runs in the seventh inning.

  1. joshftw - Sep 9, 2011 at 6:03 AM

    Maybe Chipper hit his head and thinks it really is 1999. If so, the team should really roll with it. See if Bobby Cox will come and hang out in the dugout every game.

    • robertterwilliger - Sep 9, 2011 at 6:23 AM

      if chipper hit his head, he’d be on the dl right now.

      • joshftw - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:56 AM

        That was a joke…

  2. halladaysbiceps - Sep 9, 2011 at 6:46 AM

    Phillies, 92-48. LOL!!!! This team is everything that it was as advertised and a whole lot more. Last night we had our bench basically playing the game and still dropped a 7 spot on the “Mighty” Brewers. Narveson looked like he was going to cry after they pulled him from the 6th inning after getting crushed with hit after hit. The Brewers looked simply outmatched. Their home record is a joke, considering that they play in the pitiful division known as the NL Central. Well, now we throw Halladay at them tonight. Let’s see what the Brew Crew does against him. I will say this. Doc and Lee are fighting for a personal achievement known as the CY Young award. These 2 with step up their game to another level. Brewers will be lucky to steal 1 from from the Phillies this weekend.

    • proudlycanadian - Sep 9, 2011 at 7:11 AM

      I have to give thumbs up to Halladay. As far as the Red Sox are concerned, they sure didn’t perform well last night. Blue Jay call up David Cooper had a big night for the Jays. He was the PCL batting champ this year.

      • halladaysbiceps - Sep 9, 2011 at 7:21 AM

        Boston has many pitching concerns right now. If I was a betting man, I see the Yankees wining that division.

      • Kevin S. - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:04 AM

        Glad somebody else has finally realized that Boston has bigger pitching issues than New York. The reality hasn’t fit the narrative until this point.

      • joshftw - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:47 AM

        Indeed. Lackey is an even bigger bomb than Burnett.

      • cur68 - Sep 9, 2011 at 11:30 AM

        In spite of Frank Francisco, the Blue Jays held on for a win. FF showed just why this Moose Whisperer holds his breath every time there is a ‘close’ situation. Cooper was indeed a welcome sight, this game. The Brett Lawrie onslaught continues, Thames, Arencebia, Escobar, and Encarnacion continue to be absolute studs. Another win, means 3 of 4 from the mighty Sox. Now its the Baltimore Orioles turn to face the rookies. They’re not exactly utterly demoralized after facing the Yankees; this will be a an interesting if meaningless contest.

  3. halladaysbiceps - Sep 9, 2011 at 7:40 AM

    Craig, FYI. I think your site’s thumbs up/thumbs down system is not working correctly. I have seen them disappear after posting thumb ups for some of the commenters this morning. I also saw them disappear on a couple of thumbs down on my initial post. Maybe something to let your IT department know about.

    • Craig Calcaterra - Sep 9, 2011 at 7:42 AM

      Thanks ‘ceps. We saw this yesterday and they were working on it. I guess the problem is still coming in and out. I’ll let someone know.

      • Charles Gates - Sep 9, 2011 at 7:48 AM

        Try soft music, cognac and massages?

    • deepstblu - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:21 AM

      I’m seeing up/down counts of 0/0 on all posts. If I leave a thumb up or down, then the actual count shows up.

      • Francisco (FC) - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:41 AM

        I tried this experiment myself. It’s recording just not displaying.

      • hasbeen5 - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:43 AM

        Magic!

  4. seanb72 - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:08 AM

    playing several games against Washington, Florida, and new York no doubt helped Philadelphia win 92 games.

    • halladaysbiceps - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:18 AM

      I will take those (3) teams you mentioned over Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Chicago and Houston. They are better and more scrappy than that dreck in the NL Central. The Brewers are overrated and you will continue to see it this series against the Phillies. And once the Phillies kick the snot out of them, I don’t want to read any more articles that there is a challenger or threat to the Phillies, because there isn’t.

      • Old Gator - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:59 AM

        With very few exceptions since June – mostly in July – I think you would need to own a junkyard to call the Feesh “scrappy” with a straight face.

    • bleedgreen - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:22 AM

      Clearly, the NL East is the only division with 2 good teams and the rest crappy. NL West has San Diego, LA and Colorado, NL Central has the Pirates, Astros, Cubs and Reds…

    • Kevin S. - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:25 AM

      Beating the snot out of inferior teams, over the course of a full season, is actually a fairly good indicator of team strength.

      • halladaysbiceps - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM

        Yeah, just like New York and Boston beating the snot out of a poor American League that is greatly deprived of pitching. If the Phillies were in the American League with that pitching, they would already have 100 wins.

      • Kevin S. - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:32 AM

        Conversly, the offense might not even be average. If Philly swapped with Baltimore, you could bet your ass they would have fewer than 92 wins right now. The Phillies are the best team in the NL, but they aren’t runaway better than NY and Boston.

      • halladaysbiceps - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:40 AM

        Oh, Kevin, I disagree. The Phillies, if they were in the AL East, would have at least a 5 game lead because out starting pitching is much, much better than the Yankees and Red Sox and because our offense would feast like both of those teams have done with the shitty pitching that is pretty prevalent throughout the AL. Just be glad the Phillies aren’t in the AL.

      • Kevin S. - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:50 AM

        Except the Phillies offense doesn’t have to face the Phillies rotation (obviously), so the quality of pitching they face is lower than the typical NL team, and the Phillies rotation, good as it is, wouldn’t have such insane numbers if it was pitching in the Beast all the time. They’d still be the best rotation, but not by as big a margain as the current numbers indicate. I think it would be a three-team scrum – just don’t see how they’d run away with it. Are you arguing Atlanta is just as good as NY and Boston?

      • halladaysbiceps - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:01 AM

        Kevin,

        The Phillies have a 10 game lead over the Braves. NY and Boston are better than the Braves. If the Phillies were in the AL East, they would only probably have at least a 5 game lead over either of them. And I’m being conservative with that estimate, because I don’t think either NY or Boston has the pitching that Atlanta has nor do the Braves play in a pitching deprived league.

      • Kevin S. - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:12 AM

        You know offense matters too, right?

      • halladaysbiceps - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:21 AM

        Yeah, Kevin, offense matters too. But, with the crappy pitching in the AL this year as a whole and the DH, it speaks for itself. If we put with the Phillies or Braves in that weak American League, they have better records than they have now. No question in my mind.

      • Kevin S. - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:26 AM

        I think you’re overstating how bad the AL pitching and underestimating the effect superior offenses and smaller ballparks have on iy.

      • sportsdrenched.com - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:32 AM

        Maybe the AL has crappy pitching because they have a DH.

    • deepstblu - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:27 AM

      Only five other teams in the NL above .500, and the Phillies just swept one of ‘em.

  5. seanb72 - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:17 AM

    all the criticism leveled at New York concerning how they “buy” championships can now be said about Philadelphia….should they win it all in 2011

    • halladaysbiceps - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:21 AM

      Correct, Sean. The Phillies will win it all.

      • Old Gator - Sep 9, 2011 at 10:00 AM

        Mark his words.

    • bleedgreen - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:25 AM

      Except that the Phillies are still under the luxury tax, and paid less to Cliff Lee than NY offered him. Hunter Pence doesn’t have a huge contract. Hamels, Worley, Bastardo, Madson, Stutes, Chooch, Utley, Howard, Rollins, Mayberry are all home grown, Victorino and Martinez are rule 5 picks. So they bought … who? Halladay and Lee, Oswalt (who was basically free) and Ibanez? Paying guys you draft/acquire young/cheap a lot of money isn’t ‘buying’ a championship.

      • Kevin S. - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM

        Can we stop pretending Cliff Lee took less money to stay in Philly? He got the highest AAV of any offer out there, and getting out of his contract sooner gives him a better chance of getting another decent contract.

      • gammagammahey - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:49 AM

        If someone suggested that the Yankees weren’t “buying” a championship because they “only” signed two of the top 5 pitchers in baseball, they’d be laughed at.

      • Kevin S. - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:52 AM

        Hell, they were accused of it after buying just one. And everybody counts A-Rod in the buy category even though they used the farm system and got him at a discount years before he hit FA.

      • Francisco (FC) - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:53 AM

        Can we stop pretending there are no inherent risks in doing that and stop pretending that somehow AAV is more important than the TOTAL amount of the contract a player is going to be paid? Point is he took a contract that was less in years and less in total monetary worth. He definitely left guaranteed money on the table regardless of how you try to spin it. If you want to take the path of least risk more reward you take the bigger contract because the money is guaranteed and for more time regardless of what happens to you.

        That’s what Jayson Werth did. Lee is betting that he’ll stay healthy and elite for quite a while so he’ll be able to get a new favorable contract in the future, but what if he’s injured or under performs towards the end of his contract? It’s a risk he’s taking. Besides he’s already stated: “At some point how much do you need?”. Your attempt at making Lee look somehow cold and calculating because of AAV is disingenuous .

      • joshftw - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:54 AM

        Now, Now. Can’t we put that behind us? Cliff Lee made the decision to coast his way to greatness in the NL for more money per year. I mean, if you had the option of facing the Red Sox, Rays and Blue Jays or the Mets, Marlins and Nationals for numerous starts each year, which would you choose?

      • halladaysbiceps - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:56 AM

        FC,

        The Cliff Lee nonsense that you still hear has nothing to do with the Phillies. NY fans still have something stuck in their crawl about it. They still can’t deal with the reality.

      • Francisco (FC) - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:04 AM

        I have no problem with people saying he’s earning, on average, more per year. I have a problem when they pretend this is a no-brainer move without risks involved.

      • Francisco (FC) - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:07 AM

        And for the record I have no issues with Boston or the Yankees leveraging their assets to get the best players they can. Instead of whining about it all of baseball should try to compete in the best way they can. It’s not like massive payroll = world series trophies. I mean the Yankees have had the highest payroll for how many years and counting? They one a WS in ’09? if it were all about money it would Yankees WS year in year out.

        Funny how no one complained when the Cubs and Mets spent massive amounts of dollars and had/have huge payrolls. Since they weren’t winning no one was paying attention I guess.

      • Alex K - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:20 AM

        People tell me the Cubs helped ruin baseball because of the Soriano contract. But otherwise, your right. The Cubs have spent a lot of money with little return. I guess no one care if you’re buying 5th place :)

      • Kevin S. - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:23 AM

        The Yankees’ offers were 5/120, 6/132 or 7/147, right? The contract he got from Philly (5/120 with a pretty attainable option to make it 6/135) is directly comparable to those offers. He took Philly’s offer because he had enjoyed his time with the team, but he didn’t give them some kind of massive discount. That narrative came out when the initial contract report was massively undervalued, and it was never corrected to reflect reality.

      • Old Gator - Sep 9, 2011 at 10:14 AM

        The Feesh spent less than just about anyone else and remained marginally competitive for years. Then they go out and finally spend some real money on a bunch of players this past orf-season – relatively speaking – and make like Icarus. Aaaaggggghhhh – splash – glugg. The point isn’t to spend a lot. It’s to spend it smart. Here’s a poem about it by W. H. Auden that also has applications to the course of this entire thread, not to mention the Macondo…uh….fan base in general. As an explicative aid for Macondo fans, I have underlined, big absent and small manifest alike, I have underlined passages Auden clearly wrote especially for them:

        Musee de Beaux Arts

        About suffering they were never wrong,
        The Old Masters; how well, they understood
        Its human position; how it takes place
        While someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully along;
        How, when the aged are reverently, passionately waiting
        For the miraculous birth, there always must be
        Children who did not specially want it to happen, skating
        On a pond at the edge of the wood:
        They never forgot
        That even the dreadful martyrdom must run its course
        Anyhow in a corner, some untidy spot
        Where the dogs go on with their doggy life and the torturer’s horse
        Scratches its innocent behind on a tree.
        In Breughel’s Icarus, for instance: how everything turns away
        Quite leisurely from the disaster; the ploughman may
        Have heard the splash, the forsaken cry,
        But for him it was not an important failure; the sun shone
        As it had to on the white legs disappearing into the green
        Water; and the expensive delicate ship that must have seen
        Something amazing, a boy falling out of the sky,
        had somewhere to get to and sailed calmly on.

      • Old Gator - Sep 9, 2011 at 10:17 AM

        Oh great, the “underline” html command doesn’t work here.

        Edit function!
        Edit function!
        EDIT FUNCTION!

        I’m going to do something abysmally presumptuous here and assume (with apologies to Tony Randall) that Macondo fans will quickly pick out the relevant passages, like, oh, “walking dully along” or “turned away quite liesurely.”

  6. Jonny 5 - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:25 AM

    The Phills are Hot right now.
    On the offense they have the second fewest strikeouts in the NL, fifth most runs scored, 2nd best walk/strike pct, and their BABIP says they have been second worst so the offense has been very unlucky and are likely due to get even better on the offensive side.

    The pitching? Well, 3 elite pitchers, and the other two who have a 3.285 combined era. Worley and Oswalt have looked good, Oswalt has seemed like he’s getting back to himself lately so that’s a good sign. The bull pen, has been really good. Stutes, and Bastardo have been better than expected, with Madson doing a great job closing.

    The Phillies are going to be a force in the playoffs and are on track for 106 wins on the season. I like their chances.

  7. seanb72 - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:40 AM

    four out of five teams in the AL East are .500 or better. There are only two teams in the NL East that are above .500. the Phillies are the Detroit Red Wings of baseball.

    • halladaysbiceps - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:41 AM

      The Red Wings won multiple championships. Ok. I’m fine with that comparison.

      • Kevin S. - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:08 AM

        Yeah, calling a team the Red Wings is hardly any kind of put down, not that we should be putting the Phillies down anyway. Over the past five years, the Yankees are the only other team who might be able to claim a better run, and you have to be a little persuasive about it.

  8. halladaysbiceps - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:53 AM

    The Phillies are so good the rest of baseball should just give up. Seriously, they are fielding a team that will go down as one of the greatest, most talented ever. No one on this board can give a good enough argument as to why the Phillies are not the best in baseball. Just enjoy the ride watching dominance.

    • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - Sep 9, 2011 at 10:30 AM

      Jesus, comments like these make me hope and pray every minute that your cherished team goes down in flames. Everyone knows the Phillies are the best in baseball on paper, and in reality for the most part (they haven’t played enough of the AL elites for me to say they are the absolute best). No one is making a serious argument against this so why waste space on the board saying as much??!?!?!?! They have a historically great team, but that shouldn’t make others just concede and throw in the towel or even think that way.

      Cockiness should never be rewarded and I truly hope your indelible cockiness is punished beyond reproach. Seriously, I have hated the Yankees longer than I’ve hated the Phillies, I merely disliked them for most of my life. But this year? If it’s the Yanks v. Phillies, I’m going to be the biggest Yankees fan around.

      • Jonny 5 - Sep 9, 2011 at 10:45 AM

        I wanted to scream when I read that. Biceps, do you believe in Karma? I guess not from reading that.

      • halladaysbiceps - Sep 9, 2011 at 10:56 AM

        Jonny,

        The Phillies are by far the best team in baseball and you know it. The rest of these people need to be told this as a reinforcement as to who is the king of baseball.

        Screw the karma crap. This team laughs at that premise because they know they are that good.

        El Bravo, I bet you are glad you didn’t make that Braves/Phillies bet the other day. You guaranteed the Braves would win with Beachy? Didn’t see that coming, did you?

      • Kevin S. - Sep 9, 2011 at 10:56 AM

        Anybody remember when Chris was declaring the Phillies 2010 World Series champions last September? Fun times.

      • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - Sep 9, 2011 at 11:32 AM

        Yeah Kevin, I remember clearly. I don’t see him here making bold predictions, even though they aren’t all that bold. Craig makes the same prediction as ‘Cepts. No need to rub it in though, ‘Cepts, b/c you haven’t won ANYTHING yet.

        That bet was not made only b/c two more Phillies Phaithful didn’t chime in, which is necessary clearly b/c the bet was lopsided in your favor. For the record, Beachy had nothing to do with that loss and pitched brilliantly. That was the first time he pitched well against the Phils all year and I couldn’t be happier about that fact.

        “The rest of these people need to be told this as a reinforcement as to who is the king of baseball.” The Universe called, and promptly hung up laughing. Think more longitudinally and you’ll see how ridiculous that statement is…

      • halladaysbiceps - Sep 9, 2011 at 12:02 PM

        El Bravo, you think that statement I made was ridiculous? The Phillies are clearly the best team in baseball and all homage must go to them. No one, and I mean no one stands a chance against them. Go and root for the Yankees when the Phillies are in the World Series again. Pretty pathestic, though, being that the team you root for is in the National League. I always root for the NL team because I’m a NL guy. But, that’s me, I guess.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Sep 9, 2011 at 12:48 PM

        Kevin, you are correct that I was guaranteeing that the Phillies would win the 2010 World Series. But that was just machismo because I was right about them the entire year (yeah, all year I guaranteed they would win the division even in Last July when they were still behind the Braves)

        That being said, while I won’t say what bicepts said, I will say this…I am more confident in the Phillies this year than last year for a number of reasons…

        1) Obviously, having Lee instead of Blanton is HUGE.
        2) Pence is better right now than Werth was at this point last year
        3) The Bastid
        4) Madson’s emergence as a dominant closer
        5) If the Braves rotation doesn’t get healthy quick, there will be no rotation to be afraid of in the NL
        6) …..ah &#%$ it…I guarantee the Phillies will win the 2011 World Series :D

      • Alex K - Sep 9, 2011 at 1:34 PM

        Chris- Shouldn’t it be “Obviously having Lee instead of Blanton is a HUGE weight lifted off the backs of the bullpen”?

        /fat joke

      • Chris Fiorentino - Sep 9, 2011 at 1:49 PM

        Yeah, but I would never make a joke about Heavy B’s weight…that would be wrong.

      • El Bravo - Oct 10, 2011 at 10:52 AM

        ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha!!! suck it!

  9. seanb72 - Sep 9, 2011 at 8:56 AM

    wonder which team Philadelphia will choke against come October? Arizona? Milwaukee? hmm….

    • halladaysbiceps - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:04 AM

      What team do you follow, Sean? Need to get a better feeling of who I am dealing with before converse further with you. Sounds like you have some hatred there, buddy.

    • mercyflush - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:45 AM

      No team in baseball has won more playoff games or playoff series than the Phillies the last 4 years. I dont see how someone can call them chokers.

      • professor59 - Sep 9, 2011 at 2:01 PM

        It’s called trolling, that’s how.

      • El Bravo - Oct 10, 2011 at 10:53 AM

        ill call them chokers b/c they choked. tee hee hee

  10. seanb72 - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:22 AM

    the important thing to remember: even if the phillies win it all, they will still be 24 world championships behind the greatest professional sports team in history…..NY Yankees!!

    • Kevin S. - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:33 AM

      Ugh, I hope you’re making fun of the Got Rings crowd and not being part of it. I’m a Yankee fan, and I can’t stand that shit. I’ve been following baseball for seventeen years, and the Yanks have had a hell of a run during that time. I can appreciate their history, but I can’t throw it in people’s faces.

      • yankeesfanlen - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:52 AM

        Hey, Kevin, I do it all the time. I’ll stop by for a tutorial.

    • halladaysbiceps - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:33 AM

      OK. Instead of talking smack about the Phillies, why not talk about what the Yankees are doing? I see they lost yesterday. What is your thoughts on that game? How about your thoughts on the season.

  11. sportsdrenched.com - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:33 AM

    I do not like Luke Hochaver. I do not like him on a boat, I do not like him giving up dingers to Justin Smoak. I do not like him Sam I am….

  12. yankeesfanlen - Sep 9, 2011 at 9:50 AM

    SEMI-UNRELATED TO BASEBALL POST:

    This is the Tenth Anniversay of events that changed America.The vicious attacks upon New York and Washington were beyond what had happened in all but the oldest of Americans’ memory and unsettled the nation in an unprecedented fashion. Baseball, more than any other sport, did it’s part in attempting to heal our shock.
    “NEVER FORGET” is in the news again, and to many it means vigilance again many unseen foes, but I choose to use it for another purpose-
    To the NYPD, Port Authority, EMTs, all law-enforcement officers in the country, military members at home and abroad, selfless civilians who assisted in rescue, and especially NYFD who showed exemplary bravery at the loss of 343 of their brethern-
    You are the people who I will NEVER FORGET for your astounding diligence to keep our great nation safe, and I humbly salute you.

    Len

    • halladaysbiceps - Sep 9, 2011 at 10:08 AM

      Well said, Len. Great post.

    • kopy - Sep 9, 2011 at 10:14 AM

      Thanks Len. I was in the city last weekend and bought a nice new FDNY t-shirt. When I wear it I get to represent some of the heroes while knowing some of the proceeds went towards charities related to the cause. Plus it’s an awesome shirt. It’s a small token, but I feel great about doing it.

      • kopy - Sep 9, 2011 at 10:23 AM

        Sorry if it sounds like I’m selling t-shirts here. Definitely not what I was going for. I’m just promoting the idea of anybody who wishes to show a small display of appreciation however they see fit.

      • Old Gator - Sep 9, 2011 at 10:24 AM

        Whereas I agree in spirit with Len, I’m beginning to see – or should I say, have been seeing for some weeks now – signs of the appalling crassness at the heart of American culture as the great capitalist marketing machine revs up to squeeze all kinds of profits out of 9/11 remembrance. I would suggest that during this period of mourning and remembrance, we refrain from buying anything – T-shirts, bumper stickers, commemorative “special issues” of generally exploitive magazines (I trust we can distinguish those from legitimate news and discussion organs), and anything else that stinks of make-a-fast-buck opportunism.

      • Kevin S. - Sep 9, 2011 at 10:35 AM

        Depends what they’re selling for. I don’t mind if it’s just overhead costs or if it’s for a 9/11-related charity.

      • Jonny 5 - Sep 9, 2011 at 10:42 AM

        Ole G, You and I think much alike. The third most disgusting aspect of 9/11 was the surge to profit from it directly afterwards, and it lasts to this day. I would reserve myself further and only support companies selling paraphernalia where proceeds go to charities that help support the families of the victims of the disaster.

      • kopy - Sep 9, 2011 at 11:04 AM

        Absolutely. Anytime anybody makes a charitable purchase they should be sure as to how much is going where. Reassuringly, I did my homework. I know my original post didn’t come across how I meant it to, which is why corrected it on my own right away.

        The idea of profiting off a disaster is disgusting, but the pure attention that has been rightfully shifted to the heroes that protect us on a daily basis because of 9/11 is a side effect I can appreciate. And it’s something I don’t want to be taken for granted and disappear again.

  13. Francisco (FC) - Sep 9, 2011 at 10:11 AM

    Was Carlos Gomez a bit off last night? He looked really bad fielding the balls in CF from Valdez and Pence. I can’t help but think that a better read on the ball would have ended that inning without a run scored or failing that if he had taken a better angle on Pence’s hit it would have been just 2-1 ballgame instead of 3-1. It’s not like he didn’t reach those balls, he covered all the ground he needed, he just didn’t get a correct angle on either play.

  14. goawaydog - Sep 9, 2011 at 12:37 PM

    The Giants did not lose yesterday

  15. marinersnate - Sep 9, 2011 at 1:39 PM

    One can only hope that if WAR! breaks out between Phillies fans and Yankees fans, the U.S. government gives all-out military aid. To both sides.

    • Chris Fiorentino - Sep 9, 2011 at 1:51 PM

      West-Coast Bias!!!!!

  16. Walk - Oct 10, 2011 at 3:29 PM

    Quick someone comment on ryan howard and rib eyes maybe we can necro this one into the most commented section.

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