Comments on: Clayton Kershaw simply owns the Giants http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/ Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball. Sun, 19 May 2013 15:19:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: drunkenhooliganism http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-197471 Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:36:00 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-197471 But they are only that good because Kershaw and Kemp carried them.

]]> By: gogigantos http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196742 Thu, 22 Sep 2011 00:14:47 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196742 thank you, yes,,
that is when he told us all,”I am not an idiot” because trading Williams was such a bitter pill for us,, that is what I was thinking of

]]> By: tomemos http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196639 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:43:48 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196639 Sabean wasn’t GM in 93. He came on after the ’96 season–he made the Matt Williams trade.

]]> By: davidpom50 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196626 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:29:33 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196626 Asshat McCourt didn’t REALLY spend on free agents… He leveraged and borrowed and deferred, and that’s why he’s in so much financial trouble now. All that came due, and he’d spent the real money on himself and his bitchwhore wife. Can I say asshat and bitchwhore on here? I guess I just did. 4 times.

]]> By: cup0pizza http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196502 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:40:56 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196502 You obviously haven’t seen any Dodgers games for at least the past two seasons. Terrible team, poorly aligned by the idiots running the team, horrible contracts and signings, weak hitting, unreliable/pathetic pitching by any starter not named Kershaw/Kuroda, failure to hit in the clutch and with RISP, on and on. Without Kershaw and Kemp, they’d be so far back in the cellar it’s unreal.

]]> By: Big Ed Robles http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196443 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:12:10 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196443 Generally, I agree. You can’t look at wins and say “X got more than Y, so he’s the better pitcher.” I do, however, think that someone winning a lot of games, especially compared to the teams total wins, should get a little extra credit. There’s a definite effect on the pitcher’s psyche. When Halladay faces the Cubs, for example, he’s *supposed* to win; when Kershaw faces the Cubs, he must wonder whether or not the Dodgers’ offense will show up to the game.

]]> By: gogigantos http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196434 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:55:35 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196434 I find agreeing with you ‘Cepts to be rather pleasant,,

]]> By: gogigantos http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196430 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:50:34 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196430 I hope the Cy voters don’t notice, because he is a BEAST, but dealing against the worst worst worst offense in the NL six times isn’t such a feat, really. Damn my Gints pain me sometimes, most of my life,,,, love and baseball,,,
“Son don’t fall in love, the Giants will break your heart worse than any woman ever will”,, Well, Once all the way sure is good.
Yo, Sabes, you fool, this starting rotation of epicness deserves a couple more shots in October, so get it right. Fool.

]]> By: gogigantos http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196429 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:47:02 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196429 He did pony up big dollars for a feminized Manny-B-Manny, not going to look too hard, but he has spent on the free agents, J Pierre is still payed by the Fodgers? and the payroll in general. The problem seems that he spent more on his lifestyle and pinched on security.
Please be careful throwing around genius titles ‘Cepts

]]> By: cur68 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196413 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:23:35 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196413 “He had work to do, posts to write, baseball to analyze, Theo Epstein blame articles to debunk”… (and don’t forget) “Obscure Robert E. Howard quotes to throw out there, by Crom.”

]]> By: The Baseball Idiot http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196406 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:09:25 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196406 Why did you have to lead with the Royals? Couldn’t you have put the Cubs first?

]]> By: halladaysbiceps http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196396 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:00:08 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196396 Kershaw is being paid 1/20th of the salary of a Cliff Lee because he hasn’t reached free agency yet. That’s how the economics of baseball contracts works, genius.

Trying to buy titles? Are you serious? The Dodgers never brought in high priced free agents in the past? For years and years, the Dodgers were a top 4 salary team with tons of high priced talent until McCourt ran your team into the ground. Don’t give me that BS that the Dodgers never tried to buy titles.

]]> By: gogigantos http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196387 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:52:34 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196387 long long past Sabes being a good GM, the offensive fortune of last year, and the heavy roll the pitching staff continues to post is beautiful,, we will have to hope he can build a better offense and keep much of the ‘pen before this epic collection of still young starting pitching window starts to close
he may not have been an idiot back in ’93, but was surely lucky that Kent worked out so so well, lucky because that really wasn’t his plan
not sure he has ever really had a plan
long have been sure he is a fool
and we have been forced to suffer him
a long waited Championship still tastes o so good, but,,, the window for this team,,, our future,,, the future of Sabes,,,,

]]> By: cup0pizza http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196375 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:33:27 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196375 Kersh is pretty good, especially at 1/20th of the salary Cliffy is getting from a team that tries to buy titles in order to compensate for 2 titles in 125 years and the most losses in MLB history. Ha.

]]> By: Chris Fiorentino http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196374 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:32:15 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196374 “putrid”…LOL. Yeah, 77-76 is so putrid. What does that make the Royals, Pirates, Cubs, Astros and the other 15 teams behind them in the standing this year?

]]> By: JBerardi http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196373 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:26:08 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196373 Let’s be honest, every pitcher owns the Giants. They’re dead last in the NL in runs per game.

On a related note, can we get past the idea that Brian Sabean is a good GM at this point?

]]> By: cup0pizza http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196369 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:20:39 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196369 Cy Young. 20 wins on this putrid Dodgers team is remarkable, plus all the numbers are just better than anyone else in the NL. Kershaw is straight dealing.

]]> By: thefalcon123 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196368 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:18:34 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196368 Run Support, Last 5 starts:
Halladay: 4.4 runs run per game
Lee: 3.4 runs per game
Kershaw: 2.8 runs per game

]]> By: Chris Fiorentino http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196358 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:05:35 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196358 FC…I guess what I am trying to say is that the Dodgers are nowhere near as bad as the following teams:

Royals
Orioles
Twins
Oakland
Mariners
Padres
Rockies
Astros
Pirates
Cubs
Reds
Marlins
Mutts
Nats

Are they World Champions? No, but they don’t suck and I don’t even think they are bad. Average? Yeah.

]]> By: gogigantos http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196357 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:05:06 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196357 Caught some of the Arizonas broadcast today. Not sure if Grace said it or his partner, but one joked that the DBacks MVP this year should be Kershaw, 5-0 against the Giants this year,, &^**&^&ing *&^&,, If he wins the Cy, he should send a thank you to SF, and a Christmas card to Timmy. He should want to get on his good side cuz Timmy will be gunning for him hard next year.
Kershaw is a beast, best to him and can’t wait to get even next year, (*&^*^(*&%^

]]> By: Francisco (FC) http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196349 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:55:17 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196349 and they could end up with the same record as a team that recently won the World Series.

That actually tells me how much of a crapshoot the postseason is and not so much how good the Dodgers really are.

]]> By: Chris Fiorentino http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196347 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:46:23 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196347 What does that have to do with their record, which is what I referred to in my post? I was simply saying that the Dodgers aren’t that bad…they are over .500 and they could end up with the same record as a team that recently won the World Series. Their record is middle of the pack in the NL…they are currently 7th in the NL and 14th of 30 teams in the Major Leagues. This isn’t Zack Greinke of 2009 or anything. The Dodgers are not a terrible team. They aren’t even a bad team. They are about average.

]]> By: Bill http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196344 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:39:28 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196344 If only Kershaw also owned the Dodgers. And maybe the Mets.

]]> By: skipperxc http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196343 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:39:00 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196343 Dee Gordon/Jamey Carroll would start at short for the Brewers. Not that comparing anybody to Yuni is really fair, but still.

]]> By: halladaysbiceps http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196342 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:38:24 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196342 The stats you pulled up are the average for the entire year, correct? Give me the run support over, say the last 5 starts for Halladay and Lee. I haven’t looked but I bet it’s around 3 runs per game average. Point is that the Phillies have not supported Halladay and Lee like they did earlier in the season.

]]> By: thefalcon123 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196338 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:32:39 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196338 Phillies rank in runs: 5th
Dodgers rank in runs: 10th

Halladay run support: 4.64 runs per game
Lee run support: 4.13 runs per game
Kershaw run support: 4.28 runs per game

Average NL runs per game: 4.13

]]> By: Francisco (FC) http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196336 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:30:50 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196336 Craig was sitting on his high chair, not really paying attention to the several dozen highlights that the display was running through in the sixteen smaller screens split across his 70″ LED frame. Lots of interesting things going on there (Molina managed to go from first to home on an extra-base hit? Without a throw to the plate? Damn those Cardinals!). Instead he was lost in thought, idly puffing a few bubbles from his pipe, the collar on his Braves bathrobe a bit slack. This NL Cy Young business was more inscrutable with each passing day.

He perked up and walked to his lab table where the machine sat. Looking a lot like a multi-function office copier, he opened a side panel and made a series of adjustments on his machine. He closed it up and set his display to NL Cy Young with his three bobble head figures on the scanning surface.

The machine rumbled, a light ran across the figures and the machine started spitting out results: “Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers… OWNS THE GIANTS… Cliff Lee Phillies… OWNS THE POSTSEASON… Roy Halladay, Phillies… OWNS BASEBALL… INSUFFICIENT DATA… IT IS THEO EPSTEIN’S FAULT…”

Craig sighed, even his machine was blaming everything on Theo! He then noticed an Ian Kennedy bobble-head figure on the corner of his table with a tag reading: “I GOT 20 WINS, SHOW SOME LUV!”. He rolled his eyes and proceeded to lecture the small toy on the finer points of modern statistics.

“Wins are overrated Ian, it shows more about how the team is doing when you pitch than actual pitching ability,” he then backhanded the figure causing it fly off his table and walked back to his fireplace and high chair.

He had work to do, posts to write, baseball to analyze, Theo Epstein blame articles to debunk…

]]> By: jasonburg http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196335 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:29:34 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196335 As a lifelong Giants fan I am genetically predisposed to hate anything associated with the Dodgers. In 48 years of fandom, Kershaw is the only Dodger I have ever coveted. Not because we need the pitching, but because not having to face him would give the Gs at least five more shots at a win per year. It’s no lie; the guy OWNS the Giants. He is a beast.

]]> By: lapsncaps http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196328 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:21:54 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196328 As much as I think Kershaw should and will win the Cy Young; wins are the most worthless statistic for a pitcher. ERA, WHIP, K/BB Ratio to IP, and WAR are much more valuable. All what wins prove are that you get better run support than runs against. Not their fault their team had poor hitting!

]]> By: drunkenhooliganism http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/clayton-kershaw-simply-owns-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-196321 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:16:56 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=86967#comment-196321 Other than Kemp, is there a guy on the Dodgers that would start for the Phillies/Braves/Diamondbacks/Brewers?

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