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The White Sox already have a short list to replace Ozzie Guillen

Sep 27, 2011, 8:51 AM EDT

Buddy Bell

Ken Williams, noting that they’ve had “warnings” that Ozzie Guillen would not be back in 2012, said last night that he already has a narrowed-down list of candidates to replace Guillen as White Sox manager.  According to Doug Padilla of ESPN Chicago, Buddy Bell is at the top of that short list.

It’s hard to say how much juice there is to Bell’s candidacy — I’m sure a lot of names will spin out in the coming days and weeks — but Bell is currently in a the Sox’ front office, so it makes sense that his name comes up.  If there is any traction to the idea of Bell taking over, you can probably imagine that the Sox are going to do their best to blow up the current roster and rebuild, because that’s pretty much Bell’s niche in the world as a manager.

Indeed, he has had three previous stints as a manager. In at least two of those cases — Detroit and Kansas City — he was part of a full-fledged rebuilding effort. He led both of those teams to a .399 winning percentage. He had more to work with in Colorado and finished at .465.

We’re less than 12 hours from the announcement of Ozzie Guillen’s departure so, sure, take what you hear about his replacement with a grain of salt. But to the extent we hear more names like Bell’s, the greater suggestion it is that Kenny Williams is going to tear it all down and start from scratch.

  1. paperlions - Sep 27, 2011 at 8:57 AM

    Buddy Bell? Seriously? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *breath* ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    • sportsdrenched.com - Sep 27, 2011 at 9:20 AM

      ^ And since they’re a division rival of the Royals. It’s an awesome idea.

      The only time I’ve seen a MLB team bat out of order was when Bell was managing the Royals.

      http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=250701107

      (As I googled looking for this ESPN article I notice batting out of order happens more than I thought it did. But still)

      • Tyree Studio - Sep 27, 2011 at 10:17 AM

        Get ready to hear every player’s name tagged with an “ie” at the end Sox fans. Buddy is great at nicknames.

  2. largebill - Sep 27, 2011 at 9:10 AM

    paperlions,

    I used to reflexively laugh at retread managers getting another shot. However, I learned my lesson after I called a Yankee fan buddy up after three time loser Joe Torre was hired. There is something to the benefit of experience and taking a little time away from the game to reassess how you’d do it differently the next time.

    I kind of doubt Bell will get the job, but one thing working in his favor is teams (especially after a nasty breakup) often look for a new manager/coach far different from the outgoing. Well, Bell is just about a 180 degree opposite of Ozzie personality wise. Regardless Marlins will be interesting next year.

    • missthedayswhenwedidnthavetologin - Sep 27, 2011 at 9:20 AM

      Oh please. I didn’t know there were still people out there that thought Torre made THAT much of a difference. Buddy Bell probably would have succeeded with that Yankee dynasty.

    • paperlions - Sep 27, 2011 at 9:28 AM

      Agreed. Anyone could have won with the talent the Yankees had…anyone. Torre has been successful in exactly one of him managerial gigs….like most managers, he won with good players and lost with bad ones. He was smart enough to stay out of the way (mostly), but generally was not good at managing the bullpen. Every year I see more evidence of managers having greater negative effects than positive ones….they are kind of like umpires, the less you hear from them…the more likely it is that they are good at their jobs.

      • missthedayswhenwedidnthavetologin - Sep 27, 2011 at 9:40 AM

        I hear you, you make a valid point especially about the umpiring lol

      • tashkalucy - Sep 27, 2011 at 9:44 AM

        “Anyone” could have won with that Yankee team?

        You mean like the guy that got fired before Torre was hired?

        THAT anyone.

        Go back to your computer stats and fantasy baseball.

      • Cris E - Sep 27, 2011 at 10:51 AM

        Anyone? The hard part about New York (anywhere really, but especially New York) is the off-field crap. Handling George, the media, the expectations, all that stuff, is really hard. All the baseball skills in the world don’t help with the 21 hours a day you’re not playing the game. Ask any player or manager out there and they’ll all tell you the easiest part of the day starts with the first pitch. Managing isn’t about double switches or even lineups anymore: it’s managing the team resources on a day to day basis through obstacles that include injuries, the media, roster churn, Twitter mistakes, turbulence at home, etc. You’ve got to get these guys through an eight month schedule without killing each other or the manager and maybe believing they can win half the time. The consequences for screwing up at that level are much more dire than batting Mauer third instead of second.

      • bigleagues - Sep 27, 2011 at 10:57 AM

        You mean the 1994 AL Manager of the Year, who led the Yanks to their first playoff appearance in 14 years, whom Steinbrenner fired because Buck resisted a coaching staff shakeup, but the Yankees spun as Bob Watson wants to bring in “his own guy”.

        Everyone likes to believe in the legend of Joe Torre – and conveniently forget that he might be the luckiest man alive. When Torre became Yankees manager his career record was 894-1,003 and he’d been fired 3 times. Basically he got the job because Steinbrenner didn’t want to pay more money to hire Sparky Anderson or Davey Johnson.

      • Alex K - Sep 27, 2011 at 10:58 AM

        Buck Showalter didn’t have the same talent as Torre. The Yankees won the wild card in 1995, so it’s not like Torre took over a team in shambles. The main talent influx in 1996 was from the following people.

        Jeter came up for a stint in 1995 but spent most the year in the minors
        Pettitte was a rookie in 1995
        Posada played one game in 1995
        Rivera was a starter for some of 1995 and a reliever for the other parts (when he wasn’t in the Minors)

        Think those guys matured and got better or were put in obviously better roles (Mo) from 1995 to 1996? Torre had better talent to work with than Showalter.

      • The Baseball Idiot - Sep 27, 2011 at 11:00 AM

        Name one manager that has ever gotten credit for being able to manage his bullpen?

        And having a great closer doesn’t count.

    • tashkalucy - Sep 27, 2011 at 9:42 AM

      There is a saying in MLB that a manager has to be fired a few times before he becomes good.

      Of course Torre was the best example.

      But it also helps if the guy gets some players to work with. The players Buddy had in KC and Detroit were awful. John McGraw couldn’t have done anything with that team. And Colorado wasn’t much better.

      But if Williams is going to blow it up, I wold think that Buddy’s had enough of that. He’s made a lot of money in baseball. If he comes back he should get some decent players.

      And in a way the same thing applies to the best managerial candidate in MLB for years – Tony Pena. He didn’t get fired from the Royals, he resigned. A solid baseball man that knows the game in and out, and can motivate players. But he’s worked his way up to Yankee bench coach, and with the money he made playing, there’s no way he takes a job unless it’s with a first class organization.

      And of course, Francona may be available shortly……

      • The Baseball Idiot - Sep 27, 2011 at 11:02 AM

        Pena ‘resigned’ because he was going to get fired. He lost control of the locker room, and favored Latin players over the others. All Pena did was change the nature of the press release.

  3. adenzeno - Sep 27, 2011 at 9:21 AM

    Sandberg!!

    • hep3 - Sep 27, 2011 at 12:18 PM

      Excellent idea !!!!!

  4. Francisco (FC) - Sep 27, 2011 at 9:28 AM

    You know MLB should just remove those requirements for manager interviews. The teams just maneuver around them going through the motions of interviewing a few guys they don’t have the slightest intention of hiring as manager of their ball club and then hire the hand-picked successor anyway.

  5. Detroit Michael - Sep 27, 2011 at 9:53 AM

    Buddy Bell is an awful choice. His teams have underperformed rather badly every time he’s managed.

    • macsmopar - Sep 27, 2011 at 2:42 PM

      Buddy Bell are you kidding me !! He is like watching paint dry compared to Ozzie and his winning percentage is about as good as Dunns bating average .. Please dont go there………….!!

  6. humanexcrement - Sep 27, 2011 at 10:25 AM

    I think Alan Trammel deserves another shot at managing. It wouldn’t be a bad idea for Don Mattingly to bail on the Dodgers before his career as a manager is permanently tarnished for something that isn’t his fault. But they’ll probably hire Jim Riggleman.

    • Detroit Michael - Sep 28, 2011 at 8:49 AM

      Trammell was quite bad during his first managerial job in Detroit. The team did better before he was hired and also did much better after he left. Some, but not all, of that had to do with on-field talent. He made many tactical mistakes during the game. Most importantly, he lost control of the clubhouse.

      We still love Tram in Detroit, but I wouldn’t hire him again if I was a GM.

  7. The Baseball Idiot - Sep 27, 2011 at 11:04 AM

    If LaRussa stays in St Louis, they’ll hire Jose Oquendo.

  8. elykoj - Sep 27, 2011 at 11:19 AM

    watch for Sandy Alomar Jr. to be considered here…

  9. bigleagues - Sep 27, 2011 at 11:36 AM

    Terry Francona will change his Sox . . . that is, if insanity is allowed to rule in the coming weeks.

  10. macsmopar - Sep 27, 2011 at 2:40 PM

    Buddy Bell are you kidding me !! He is like watching paint dry compared to Ozzie and his winning percentage is about as good as Dunns bating average .. Please dont go there………….!!

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