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Tim Hudson against Philly in a must-win game 162? Been there, done that

Sep 28, 2011, 8:50 AM EDT

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First, the quote of the day from Mark Bradley of the Atlanta-Journal Constitution:

Tim Hudson in the 162nd game. A team could do worse. For example: Derek Lowe in the 161st game …”

Yup.  And we know this is true for reasons beyond the fact that Lowe, on general principles, sucks.  We know that because the Braves were in the exact same position last year.  They had a big lead — though a softer, earlier one — for a playoff spot in 2010.  They blew it. Less of a collapse than it was Philly remembering that they were good and overtaking them, but they blew the lead regardless.  They stumbled on offense down the stretch and then, on the final game of the season, they needed a win from Tim Hudson against a Philly team with nothing to play for in order to secure a playoff spot.

The result last year: an 8-7 win over Philly, with Tim Hudson picking up the win after giving up four runs in seven innings. As will likely be the case tonight, last year Charlie Manuel used the game to give multiple starters some work. Cole Hamels pitched two innings. Joe Blanton and Roy Oswalt each pitched an inning. There’s no Danys Baez around this year to blow it like he did last year, but Manuel will likely give multiple bullpen arms some work.

Like they say in the mutual fund ads, past performance is no guarantee of future results. But the fact is, the Braves have been here before.

  1. Phillies Homer - Sep 28, 2011 at 8:56 AM

    Part of me wants the Phillies to lose on purpose so that we face the Diamondbacks instead of the Cardinals!
    I’d much rather go up against Kennedy/Hudson/(blanking on another dbacks pitcher) than Carpenter/Garcia/and friggen Jake Westbrook who for some reason always shuts the Phillies down!

    • grapes911 - Sep 28, 2011 at 9:01 AM

      What a terrible message to send the team.

      • stlouis1baseball - Sep 28, 2011 at 9:45 AM

        Well said grapes.

    • gb4ever0811 - Sep 28, 2011 at 9:03 AM

      Remember, the Cards will use Carpenter tonight and if they have to go to game 163 they will use Lohse. That’s two Phillies killers who wouldn’t be available for Saturday/Sunday. If they would start Carpenter over the weekend it would be on short rest. Hope for a tie between the two clubs after tonight.

    • Chris Fiorentino - Sep 28, 2011 at 9:15 AM

      Yes, the best thing for the Phillies is that they remain tied, then the Cardinals win tomorrow and have to play on short rest without their #1 or #2 starters. But realistically, with doc, lee, cole, Roy, there should be no way in Hell they lose a short series to anyone on the NL.

      • stlouis1baseball - Sep 28, 2011 at 9:43 AM

        That would certainly be in the Phillies best interest. Personally, I am hoping you guys go ahead and finish off the sweep (and set a new franchise wins record while doing so) and we win the series tonight in Houston (AP going 3-4 with a couple of ribbies to extend his record of .300 AVG/30 HR/100 RBI would be a bonus). Then…both teams get a little rest and start fresh. That will make for far more enjoyable baseball. No? But you are dead on…with your guys’ rotation it shouldn’t matter (short series or not). 7 games, 1 game, 12 games, etc.. You shouldn’t be worried about anyone with that rotation.

      • salvomania - Sep 28, 2011 at 9:52 AM

        Really, the Cardinals 1-4 starters are pretty interchangeable, quality-wise.

        There’s not much to pick from between Carpenter, Lohse, Garcia and Edwin Jackson.

        If you go by ERA+ they’re all between 101 and 107, with Carpenter being the “worst.”

        Jake Westbrook, despite a couple “where’d those come from?” gems, has had a pretty rough year.

    • leerosenthall - Sep 28, 2011 at 10:27 AM

      Oh, hell to the no! Don’t tempt the Baseball Gods by pulling any of that shiz. Did you see how that D-backs/Dodgers game ended last night after that Dodgers reliever forgot to cover the bag at first with two outs in the bottom of the 10th? Not to mention Charlie Manuel and the Phils have some franchise records to break tonight. Respect the Game.

      • Jonny 5 - Sep 28, 2011 at 10:42 AM

        What he said

  2. mojosmagic - Sep 28, 2011 at 9:15 AM

    The Phillies are the best team in baseball and aren’t scared of anybody. End of story.

    • paperlions - Sep 28, 2011 at 9:20 AM

      This should be the attitude of the team and the fans…with that pitching….who scares you? No one.

      • spudchukar - Sep 28, 2011 at 10:49 AM

        Sorry PL, but the fans can believe their team is invincible, but the players should know better. This is a team that lost 7 out of 10 to St. Louis, playing 7 of those games at home. A tie and a Cardinal win on Thursday might seem like the best scenario, but then a split in Philly with Garcia and Westbrook, leaves St. Louis coming home with Carpenter and Lohse, and just maybe no return to Philly. I am not predicting anything, no doubt the Pheelies are in the driver’s seat, but in a short series, a few opportunistic bounces can mean elimination, particularly if your players enter the series overconfident.

        As Tony LaRussa says, any team is scary once the playoffs begin.

      • Jonny 5 - Sep 28, 2011 at 11:05 AM


      • Francisco (FC) - Sep 28, 2011 at 11:46 AM

        Spud, I don’t put much stock into regular season series, especially when it’s just two of them for a total of 6 or 7 games. As you said, anything can happen. That St. Louis BP is a powderkeg waiting to burst at any moment. A more competent team would have blown Rep out of the water after walking the bases loaded with no outs last night.

      • spudchukar - Sep 28, 2011 at 11:51 AM

        Talkin’ Never Won Anything.

      • Jonny 5 - Sep 28, 2011 at 12:44 PM

        Potatobird, I just had to get a dig in on you before the season ends man. Lord knows you’ve got yours in plenty during the season. 😉 Good luck anyway though.

      • Francisco (FC) - Sep 28, 2011 at 2:00 PM

        Talkin’ Never Won Anything.

        You mean like what you’re doing? :) I simply dispute your assertion that the Cardinals are any more difficult to defeat than Milwaukee or Arizona because of regular season records. I would point to recent struggles by your SP that may indicate these pitchers are running out of gas. Or they may turn it up a notch in October, we’ll see.

    • Francisco (FC) - Sep 28, 2011 at 10:08 AM

      I agree, this whole “I prefer if the Phillies play-” is a non-issue. The Phillies either are a great baseball team or they are not, they should be able to beat whoever comes knocking on their doorstep with that Vaunted rotation. If anything Arizona and Milwaukee should be scrambling to avoid the Phillies in the NLDS and hoping for a St. Louis victory and a Braves Loss.

    • kiwicricket - Sep 28, 2011 at 11:39 AM

      Is that you cept’s ???

  3. frenchysplatediscipline - Sep 28, 2011 at 9:16 AM

    Now for the million dollar question:

    IF we still manage to make the playoffs, is Derek Lowe still in the rotation?

    Is Fredi loyal to a fault like Bobby was?

    I hope not…

    • Jonny 5 - Sep 28, 2011 at 9:25 AM

      Ahhh, let’s go for the tie. That sounds like fun.

    • Jonny 5 - Sep 28, 2011 at 9:26 AM

      Sorry, not meant as a reply to you. )smacks skull(

    • Kevin S. - Sep 28, 2011 at 9:44 AM

      Are Hanson and Jurrjens gonna be ready? If not, it’s Hudson, Beachy, Minor and Lowe. No way Delgado bumps him.

      • Bill - Sep 28, 2011 at 10:03 AM

        If memory serves, they’be ruled out Hanson but haven’t ruled out Jurrjens. Could be wrong about that, though.

  4. Walk - Sep 28, 2011 at 9:31 AM

    Good luck bravos, i honestly couldnt ask for much more from a regular season game. It has felt like the playoffs for me for the last two weeks, no hard feelings from me for the cards either this has been an amazing run to the playoffs. In fact it is probably the third best for me or better, the giants getting edged by a game and not making the playoffs was both fun and hurt as i am also a giants fan as well as braves, the worst to first team, and now this.

    • stlouis1baseball - Sep 28, 2011 at 9:47 AM

      Thanks and good luck right back at you Walk. I am just hoping my Cardinals have more of it.

  5. spudchukar - Sep 28, 2011 at 11:10 AM

    A Note of Thanks.

    To the Cardinal and Rays players and management. No matter what happens in the next few days, or preferably weeks I just want to say “Thanks for the Memories of 2011”. Both teams were counted out numerous times by numerous “experts”. You have brought me so much joy for these past 8 months or so, from Jupiter and Port Charlotte, where you began to convince me a play-off spot was possible to the Septembers to Remember and the charge from behind, what a glorious campaign it has been.

    Regardless of the outcome tonight and beyond, I am proud to be a fan. With hurdles and obstacles most teams could never overcome, your collective grit and determination cannot be overstated. Good Luck, you deserve it. May the force be with you. Thanks.

    • kiwicricket - Sep 28, 2011 at 11:41 AM

      Touching stuff, Spud. Best of luck.

  6. bwebster614 - Sep 28, 2011 at 12:13 PM

    I’ve only read a few of Craigs articles and already I hTe him as a writer. He’s got no tale t and makes no sense. Get this bum off he blog.

    Braves have stunk it up. I don’t think the Phils hrow in the towel tonight. I think they give it all they got for the franchise record.

    • foreverchipper10 - Sep 28, 2011 at 12:47 PM

      Go get a keyboard with a full set of letters first.

    • kiwicricket - Sep 28, 2011 at 1:16 PM

      “He’s got no tale t and makes no sense. Get this bum off he blog”

      I find this really funny, but I’m not exactly sure why

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