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What they’re saying about the collapses

Sep 29, 2011, 8:25 AM EDT

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We had a taste of what was said about the Red Sox’ collapse last night, but there will be more commentary and reaction coming in all day today.  Come, let us bask in the failure:

  • Mark Bradley, Atlanta Journal-Constitution: “They failed. They failed in the way this entire month had been a failure. They took an 8 1/2-game lead and threw it all away, and by the time they got done losing Game No. 162 they had made us suffer through all the failures that comprised this failed month.”
  • Peter Abraham, Boston Globe: “There have been nights of anguish over the years for the men who have worn the uniform of the Boston Red Sox. But nothing quite like what transpired at Camden Yards last night.”
  • Scott Lauber, Boston Herald: “It had been a plodding, month-long march to baseball’s version of death — elimination from the playoff race — for the Red Sox. But the execution took only minutes”
  • Grant Brisbee, BaseballNation: It wouldn’t have been right to complete a monumental collapse with a garden-variety loss. There had to be some hope after the hope faded — a dead-cat bounce of hope … The Braves could have made the playoffs if they had won just one game out of their last five. They did not.
  • ESPN Boston: “The long, cold winter has begun.”
  • Chipper Jones: “When you’re in a slump as a team, you find a bunch of different ways to lose. The bats go silent, you get wild on the mound, you walk in runs – whatever. You find ways to lose. Man, we sure did it in the last couple of weeks.”
  • Fredi Gonzalez: “I’m proud of the club. We battled today.”

And that sums up everything you need to know about Fredi Gonzalez. He wasn’t paying attention to last night’s game. He wasn’t paying attention to much of anything, it seems.

  1. 78mu - Sep 29, 2011 at 8:33 AM

    What Gonzalez meant was that the Braves were battling the tightening around their necks every time they came up with runners on base after the 3rd inning. You have to read between the lines Craig.

  2. planck16 - Sep 29, 2011 at 8:35 AM

    I agree, Fredi was just happy to be there. Bobby would have never let that happen. I don’t think the players respect Fredi that much. Zero fire or sense of urgency. I pray for the day that I don’t see Lowe take the mound in a Braves uniform. When your season is on the line, you don’t let Randall Delgado take the mound.

    • joshwright17 - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:21 AM

      There are many things you can get on to Freddi for, but I don’t think starting Delgado is one of them. What other alternatives were there?

  3. woodenulykteneau - Sep 29, 2011 at 8:36 AM

    Enjoy it while it lasts — was it better than ’83, O’s fans? — because after the schadenfreude wears off, fans of 18 teams might be reminded that it’s been more than two decades since your guys won a World Series.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Sep 29, 2011 at 8:43 AM

      it’s been more than two decades since your guys won a World Series.

      And it might be that long before Boston gets back to one! Ha!

      Andino’s name doesn’t even start with B. He’s ruining the alliteration in Bostonfreude along with Boston’s 2011. Babe, Bucky, Buckner, Boone and Andino? Well, he still has Robert Effing Andino working for him anyway.

      • cktai - Sep 29, 2011 at 8:52 AM

        Bob effing Andino.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Sep 29, 2011 at 8:55 AM

        BOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • nolanwiffle - Sep 29, 2011 at 8:55 AM

        …..curse of the Andino.

      • Old Gator - Sep 29, 2011 at 12:59 PM

        Bob brings you Slack.

      • leerosenthall - Sep 29, 2011 at 1:37 PM

        Bobby Andino aka B’Andino

    • nolanwiffle - Sep 29, 2011 at 8:53 AM

      How long, exactly, have you been a Sox fan? Seven years… I’m guessing. Didn’t the Sox have quite a little championship drought themselves?

      Not sure what the future holds for the O’s, but that sure felt like playoff baseball again……and it felt good. No, actually it felt….wicked awesome.

      • woodenulykteneau - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:05 AM

        Long enough to remember when Jerry Remy played for the Angels, Oblio.

      • nolanwiffle - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:22 AM

        Then you’re painfully aware that 86 years between championships is considerably longer than 28 (and counting), right?

        Keep your chin up.

      • woodenulykteneau - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:37 AM

        Yes, Oblio, I am as aware as you are not astute.

      • nolanwiffle - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:41 AM

        Then that makes the rant about the ’83 Orioles you made at 8:36 this morning kind of asinine….doesn’t it.

      • woodenulykteneau - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:50 AM

        It would to someone that doesn’t understand how a comma works.

  4. proudlycanadian - Sep 29, 2011 at 8:38 AM

    Reading this stuff is funny. It puts the stock market downturn in perspective.

  5. Jonny 5 - Sep 29, 2011 at 8:39 AM

    Ok, so I get the whole “Kimbrel was worn out” line. Because yeah, for a rookie, he was. For most any closer he threw a lot of innings this season. But why the hell did he wear himself out even more by throwing over to first base a dozen times to keep Orr from stealing? This is very strange to me to see from a closer.

    Not that it mattered much because the Braves as a whole were pretty gassed it seems, and I didn’t see them going very far in the playoffs anyway.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:06 AM

      I don’t follow the Braves, but I don’t get the worn out meme. He faced the same number of batters this year as he did last. He threw almost the same exact amount of innings as well (across minors and majors). Did he “break down” last year as well?

      • Jonny 5 - Sep 29, 2011 at 10:36 AM

        I wasn’t aware of that actually. From last year, I only remember Moylan being the big pain in the Phillies butts. Thanks for that perspective though.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Sep 29, 2011 at 10:57 AM

        I’m basically paraphrasing one of the sabr guys I follow (I want to say Klaw brought it up, but I’m not searching through months of tweets to find it). I was trying to find pitches thrown, but fangraphs only has his MLB numbers. I thought bref.com did the same but I’m drawing a blank on where to look.

  6. 12strikes - Sep 29, 2011 at 8:43 AM

    What I would like to read, and know that I will never see is the “Mea Culpa” from all the talking heads that thought Atlanta was the team to beat in the NL East. The only reason those guys made that call was so that IF…..IF (a very big IF)… Atlanta pulled it off they could put their pompous faces on TV telling everyone how much more they know about baseball then the rest of us.

    • Craig Calcaterra - Sep 29, 2011 at 8:45 AM

      Except, apart from Buster Olney, who picked Atlanta in the NL East? It was almost unanimously thought to be Philly’s division. Braves were the popular wild card pick. They fell one game short. I don’t think that’s the stuff “mea culpas” are made of.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Sep 29, 2011 at 8:52 AM

        The only other “media” person to pick the Braves that I recall was Dave Schoenfeld over at the Sweetspot on ESPN. He used WAR as the basis of his predictions.

      • 12strikes - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:00 AM

        I think the mea culpas are more of a result of HOW the Braves missed the playoff then the fact that they did miss the playoff.

        If their lead was 2 or 3 games, and STL went on a tremendous run, and the braves were atleast above 500 for sept, then I agree no mea culpa, but to lose the way the Braves did shows that this team was not ready for prime time.

      • Kevin S. - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:00 AM

        Actually, he mis-used WAR as the basis of his predictions.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:10 AM

        Agreed Kevin. Misused is probably the better adjective.

      • 12strikes - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:11 AM

        Here is the link to the ESPN Predictions:
        http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/preview/2011/news/story?page=11expertpicks

        Somewhere around 15 of them have the braves winning the divison (granted some these guys can’t even pick their nos, much less a division champion)

      • ditto65 - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:41 AM

        Or even spell nos.

      • Francisco (FC) - Sep 29, 2011 at 10:57 AM

        Except, apart from Buster Olney, who picked Atlanta in the NL East?

        Aaron Boone, ESPN
        Steve Berthiaume, ESPN
        Dave Cameron, FanGraphs
        Jason Churchill, ESPN Insider
        Jason Grey, ESPN Fantasy
        Steve Goldman, Baseball Prospectus
        Tony Jackson, ESPNLA.com
        Jonah Keri, FanGraphs
        David Kull, ESPN.com
        Andrew Marchand, ESPNNY.com
        Amy K. Nelson, ESPN.com
        Dave O’Brien, ESPN
        Doug Padilla, ESPNChicago.com
        David Schoenfield, ESPN.com
        Peter Pascarelli, ESPN

        That said, I don’t think any Mea Culpa is in order, they were just wrong and that’s all there is to it. And besides it’s not like they picked oh, say, the Cubs to win the NL Central right? :D

        I just snicker a little that you didn’t bother to check.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Sep 29, 2011 at 10:59 AM

        Steve Berthiaume, ESPN

        Picked the Astros to win the NL Central. How he’s still working at ESPN is beyond me

      • danandcasey - Sep 29, 2011 at 11:08 AM

        Of 58 “experts” I surveyed at the start of the year, 39 picked the Phils, 19 picked the Braves to win the East. 25 more had the Braves as the WC. 17 had the Braves as the NL pennant winner. 3 had the Braves as the World champs.

        Of course, 57 of the 58 “experts” had the Red Sox winning the East. 53 of the 58 had the Red Sox winning the AL pennant. And, 43 of the 58 crowned the Red Sox would-be World Champions.

        Oh yeah, the D’Backs did not make the list (but 1 “expert” had the Astros winning the Central). .

      • nategearhart - Sep 29, 2011 at 11:26 AM

        You’re demanding an apology from strangers who made an inaccurate prediction on baseball? Are you really THAT lacking in validation?

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Sep 29, 2011 at 8:46 AM

      If Philly, instead of Atlanta, lost their 2 best pitchers for the second half things might have played out differently. I did think Atlanta’s offense would be better.

      • cktai - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:12 AM

        If Philly had lost Halladay and Lee on top of Oswalt and Blanton, then yeah they would have been in trouble. What team wouldnt be if they lost 4 from their starting 5?

        However as it is, Hanson and Jurrjens missed about 20 games while Hamels and Oswalt missed about 10, so the difference between the Phillies and Braves is not as simple as pitcher injuries.

        It is not like the Atlanta offence was actually better either. Atlanta combined to hit 243/.308/.387 while the Phillies combined to hit .253/.323/.395.

        Without the injures, the Braves could have easily fended off the Cardinals, but I doubt they would have seriously challenged the Phillies.

      • danandcasey - Sep 29, 2011 at 11:01 AM

        I understand your Braves v. Phillies post, but the Cards lost their best pitcher for 34 starts this year and they are in the playoffs.

    • spudchukar - Sep 29, 2011 at 11:03 AM

      You just struck out for the 5th time.

  7. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM

    I know thi sis probably the least significant storyline from last night, but shouldn’t the Yankees organization buy Scott Proctor a house, or send his kids to college or something? First Torre almost ruined his career with his annual ‘work one pitcher to death’ mantra, the guy makes a comeback from TJ surgery, so then Girardi leaves him in for 56 pitches in nearly 3 innings. At what point could that guy tell Girardi “No, I’m not going back out there!”?

    • Francisco (FC) - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:15 AM

      The Rays should buy him a house, and Girardi as well. He went through his bullpen like an 8 year old chubby boy goes through twinkies. I think Proctor was the last guy in the pen.

      • Francisco (FC) - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:20 AM

        BTW What the heck is Proctor doing on the Yankees roster? I get that in the Universe the only baseball worth watching is in the AL East but I’m sure they had to be watching Proctor be less than effective during his tenure in Atlanta. Or did they not get the memo?

      • mabunar - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:26 AM

        Rivera was down there earlier, but at some point Joe decided he wasn’t going to use his big three (Mo,So,Ro).
        The bullpen train was planned…he wanted to get all those guys some pitches. And if Proctor gets a popup from Johnson, he would have won it that way and some buffoon would start suggesting all teams take the 1-2 inning approach.
        They were going to get in no matter what….Sox were barely leading Baltimore with Lester pitching, Wednesday would have been either Lackey or Wakefield! Would have just been postponing the inevitable.

      • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Sep 29, 2011 at 10:55 AM

        Can we buy Girardi some whitening strips instead? The man looks like George Washington.

  8. jehzsa - Sep 29, 2011 at 8:50 AM

    And to think that if the Rays had won seven (7) more games, they would have been the AL East champs!

    Oh…and the fat lady sang too.

  9. hittfamily - Sep 29, 2011 at 8:56 AM

    Forget “What they are saying about the collapses”

    I have been a part of baseball for a long time. The Rays comeback is the greatest comeback I have ever heard about, let alone seen, on any level. I honestly feel priveledged to have watched it. Forever in baseball lore we will hear the tale of how the Rays had 2 hits til the 8th inning, and were behind 7 – 0. Maddon sent a guy up with a .100 average and with 2 strikes, he hit a game tying homerun. At the time, it was a seasons aver. It was the most incredible comeback baseball will ever see in my lifetime!
    7-0 with 2 hits in the 8th. Insane!!!!!

    • indaburg - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:19 AM

      All I have to say is O! M! G! Did this really happen? Is this for real? Are the Rays really in the playoffs? I am still stunned. I keep looking at the boxscores and I still don’t believe it. Holy sh!t! Dan Johnson? Again?! I haven’t stopped smiling this morning. Baseball is awesome. :)

    • Chris Fiorentino - Sep 29, 2011 at 10:00 AM

      Hitt, I agree that it was a great comeback last night. However, how lame was it that the stadium was clearing out after the 7th inning? It has to be pretty embarrassing to you as a Rays fan that your lame asses fans couldn’t hang around for the last two innings to at least cheer the team on why could have been the last time seeing them for the year? In my opinion, that was a disgrace and I lost whatever little respect I had for the Rays fans when they showed that. No matter what the fans do the next game, they won’t make up for bailing on their team.

      • spudchukar - Sep 29, 2011 at 11:07 AM

        I admire your ability to find the “silver lining”, even on the darkest of days.

      • indaburg - Sep 29, 2011 at 10:22 PM

        I’m re-watching the Rays game from last night right now, and while some fans did leave, the majority stayed. Why not focus on respecting them? You’re a half glass empty kinda guy, aren’t you?

        Lighten up. You’re being a little too rough on the fans. The game was actually painful to watch for a Rays fan: watching one of our ace pitchers get destroyed, being two-hit until the 8th inning by what was basically the Scranton Yankee pitching staff, down 7-0 to the Yankees, a team who hasn’t blown a lead that large since ’53.

        My hope is that the Rays made a bunch of new fans last night, nationwide. I’ve always said, I didn’t choose to root for the Rays based on the quantity or quality of the fans they have. But it is nice to have company.

    • jimbo1949 - Sep 29, 2011 at 11:20 AM

      Being a Rays fan I’m surprised you’ve forgotten that Dan Johnson has a history against the Yankees. Last September he hit two 2 run homers in the same game to beat the Yankees.

      • jimbo1949 - Sep 29, 2011 at 12:30 PM

        5th and 7th inning Sept 15th 2010, both off Hughes @ TB

  10. mojosmagic - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:01 AM

    The Braves are poorly managed, and poorly constructed. Their best player should have retired last year, their best hitter is a worn down catcher, and the bullpen was put together to save a buck. The Braves saved alright and in the process severely overused and in all likelihood shortened the careers of Vetter and Kimbrel. Overuse and karma caught up with both pitchers and the Braves. And Dead Head Fred is proud of his epic collapse and only God knows why?

    • nolanwiffle - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:37 AM

      ….yet they managed to win 89 games despite going 9 and 18 in September. It was an epic collapse, but they’re a decent club.

  11. jehzsa - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:01 AM

    I’d like to be the first one to congratulate the Texas Rangers on winning their leg of the ALDS.

    Magic 2, logic 0.

  12. pisano - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:09 AM

    Boston was overrated right from the start. The media thought Crawford and Gonzo were the second coming of Christ. Gonzo has nothing to be ashamed of, because he came as advertised, but Crawford was a total bust, not only at the plate,but also in the field. Their supposed pitching staff also was way overrated. Granted they were beset with injuries, but at the end when Beckett and Lester were to shut teams down they didn’t. The Yankees smacked Lester around and the O’s did the same to Beckett. The moral to this story is there are no write in series champs, they have to earn that spot and Boston as is their custom aside from the roid era of 04, and 07 teams did their normal swan song. Too bad, too sad.

  13. mojosmagic - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:11 AM

    Get a grip with young pitchers it’s called cumulative effect. The key word I used was “shortening” their careers.

  14. apdynasty23 - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:27 AM

    http://www.firefredi.com/

  15. cackalackyank - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:29 AM

    Tampa fans: You came from 7-0 to beat the Yankees. Red Sox Fans: Still talking about your off season success, 2004, and your head to head record against the Yankees this year?

    • j0esixpack - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:45 AM

      Sox fans aren’t stupid – they knew this was a flawed team from the start of the season with the historic slump then – and aren’t surprised by this slump either.

      There’s no denying that in an 18 game series the Sox won 2/3rds against the Sox.

      That’s gotta be slightly bitter for Yankees fans to know that in a head to head matchup the Sox proved to be a better team than them – but as far as playing the rest of the league, there’s no denying that the better team made the playoffs.

      Congratulations to Tampa – I suspect the Yankees will be sorry they couldn’t protect a 7-0 lead should they meet in the playoffs

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:59 AM

        Sox fans aren’t stupid – they knew this was a flawed team from the start of the season with the historic slump then – and aren’t surprised by this slump either.

        http://www.nesn.com/2011/01/2011-red-sox-will-challenge-1927-yankees-for-title-of-greatest-team-in-major-league-history.html

        That’s gotta be slightly bitter for Yankees fans to know that in a head to head matchup the Sox proved to be a better team than them

        Nope, b/c it’s a 162 game season and it matters not how you do head to head but the entire season. As someone smart once said, you win 54, you lose 54, it’s what you do in the other 54 that matter.

        Congratulations to Tampa – I suspect the Yankees will be sorry they couldn’t protect a 7-0 lead should they meet in the playoffs

        Nope either, because Tampa has a worse hitting team and equal pitching team than the Sox (tampa starters are better, but far worse bullpen).

        wOBA:
        1. Red Sox – .351
        3. Yankees – .346
        13. Rays – .320

        wRC:
        1. Red Sox – 116
        2. Yankees (tied with Texas) – 113
        7. Rays – 103

        FIP:
        13. Yankees – 3.87
        19. Rays – 4.03
        20. Red Sox – 4.05

        xFIP:
        10. Yankees – 3.84
        17. Rays – 4.01
        26. Red Sox – 4.13

      • cackalackyank - Sep 29, 2011 at 10:25 PM

        *sigh* like I said ..STILL talking about the head to head…and oh yes I was feeling VERY bitter as I watched the Sox go home. ;-) This only goes to underscore the problem…the Rays and their fans can celebrate a meaningful accomplishment: Winning the wild card. The Red Sox and their fans are left to whine about something that turned out to be meaningless in the BIG picture. I say take one series at a time now, the Tigers are a formidable challenge. If the Rays continue to play their hot hand in October the Yankees may see them again. But as of now you have eight teams that have passed successfully through a long season and now face off at 0-0.

  16. skids003 - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:37 AM

    Mark Bradley is an idiot. He has no idea why any of the decisions made were made. He just spouts out his normal crap. He couldn’t manage a Little League team, he shouldn’t be writing about managing a Major League team.

  17. mojosmagic - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:38 AM

    The only had their projected starting lineup together for 7 games so they suffered plenty of injuries as well. Gonzalez by choice or design ran that team into the ground early. They had nothing left and that is on the manager. The cards played well but it wasn’t as if they won 10 in a row to close the season.

  18. PanchoHerreraFanClub - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:44 AM

    As so many were saying in late August, the game has passed La Russa by.

  19. El Bravo - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:47 AM

    Fredi gets lots of the blame. I find it hard not to blame two significant pitcher injuries for their woeful September too. Craig, you did write it up perfectly from the get go, Kimbrel’s tired arm blows it on the last day. Although, I still disagree with the overuse factor (I’d have to see them mid next season and how they fare to agree on that point b/c it’s a long term factor), clearly the RPs could have been managed better last night and a hundred other times.

    • Francisco (FC) - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:57 AM

      Bravo, what happened to your Heyward tag?

      • El Bravo - Sep 29, 2011 at 10:38 AM

        I killed it b/c Heyward killed me (along with the rest of the team). I warned him yesterday in a post that I would do so, and he failed me. The Braves failed. He has no right to have me use his name anymore.

      • Bill - Sep 29, 2011 at 10:52 AM

        This from the commenter who gave me grief for not being enough of a homer going into the last two games? C’mon, man. Weak sauce.

      • El Bravo - Sep 29, 2011 at 12:31 PM

        Your name is Bill. WTF are you talking about?

      • Bill - Sep 29, 2011 at 1:30 PM

        I’m not faulting you for having a simple tag. I’m faulting you for criticizing my lack of enthusiasm, and then changing your tag because your sore that our team didn’t make the playoffs. I think that was fairly obvious, and I should have been able to let this go unsaid. Alas.

      • El Bravo - Sep 29, 2011 at 3:40 PM

        Bill, my original name was El Bravo, over a year ago. I then forgot my password and created ‘Mr. Heyward’. Then wordpress took over and I merged them. Now, I’m reverting to my original name b/c, yes, I don’t think Heyward is going to pull out of this “slump”, and in fact, he is just going to be a sub-par baseball player it seems. I don’t want to name myself after a shitty ball player who will no longer be a regular on my team in all likelihood. So forgive me. Now, if you could direct your attention to a Phillies fan instead of bashing a member of the same fan base, we’d all be better off wouldn’t we?

        I still stand by my comments that one shouldn’t give up on their team before it’s all said and done (I wasn’t trying to direct that specifically at you, in fact, much of that was toward Craig (who apparently is just gifted with foresight and I’m not)). That said, I pretty much feel the team did actually give up on themselves last night. That was worse than the feeling that some fans were giving up on them. Much much worse.

      • Bill - Sep 29, 2011 at 4:07 PM

        Tone is a difficult thing to convey on the internet, but I was never trying to “bash”you. At least not maliciously. It was supposed to be more of a gentle ribbing.

  20. Tyree Studio - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:49 AM

    Keep your Chen up Red Sox fan!

  21. jehzsa - Sep 29, 2011 at 9:51 AM

    To all the whatifs.

    If Columbus hadn’t crossed the ocean, we wouldn’t have made it to the moon.

    Which, of course, we actually didn’t. It was all a mock landing.

  22. plezbo - Sep 29, 2011 at 10:50 AM

    The sad thing is, prior to all of the Calcaterra anti-Phillies/Braves-homer stuff this year, I had a lot of respect and admiration for the Braves fan base as a whole. Now, I am basking in the glory of Craigy’s tears, oh they are so salty and warm, they taste like regret and defeat, its wonderful.

    Well Craig, there is still time to start cheering for the Yankees.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Sep 29, 2011 at 11:01 AM

      Sorry, had to

  23. WhenMattStairsIsKing - Sep 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM

    I hope many of you are enjoying the therapy sessions that this comment thread is providing.

  24. spudchukar - Sep 29, 2011 at 11:15 AM

    Tough finish to a darn good season Craig. Your young talented Braves will be back and stronger for it.

    I feel guilty with so many riches today. How often in one’s life does everything go just right? You fellas (Cards and Rays) made me proud. Thanks. Thanks so much.

  25. nyyankeedave - Sep 29, 2011 at 2:37 PM

    Bobby Cox choked too. give Fredi some credit, he did a great job with a bunch of kids and under performing veterans! He can’t go out there and HIT for them!

    • Francisco (FC) - Sep 29, 2011 at 4:10 PM

      Bobby Cox choked too. give Fredi some credit, he did a great job with a bunch of kids and under performing veterans! He can’t go out there and HIT for them!

      No, but he can call for an intentional walk on Hunter Pence to get to the weaker hitter Martinez. It’s one thing to say your players must execute your game plan, quite another to not put them in the best possible position to succeed.

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