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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s happening: Terry Francona is leaving the Red Sox</title>
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		<title>By: nolanwiffle</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 14:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the insights.  And again, I can&#039;t disagree with anything you&#039;ve said.  I wholeheartedly agree that they probably have underachieved in postseason play.

My biggest concern as a baseball fan is seeing Red Sox fans morphing into what they&#039;ve loathed for so many years.....Yankee-like fans.  High payroll guarantees nothing, and that&#039;s a good thing.  It seems in recent years Sox fans have felt a berth in the playoffs is a God-given right, and a foregone conclusion.  As someone who hates the Yanks and always sort of liked the Sox (big Freddie Lynn fan back in the day) that pains me.

But, hey, I&#039;m just a bitter Orioles fan.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the insights.  And again, I can&#8217;t disagree with anything you&#8217;ve said.  I wholeheartedly agree that they probably have underachieved in postseason play.</p>
<p>My biggest concern as a baseball fan is seeing Red Sox fans morphing into what they&#8217;ve loathed for so many years&#8230;..Yankee-like fans.  High payroll guarantees nothing, and that&#8217;s a good thing.  It seems in recent years Sox fans have felt a berth in the playoffs is a God-given right, and a foregone conclusion.  As someone who hates the Yanks and always sort of liked the Sox (big Freddie Lynn fan back in the day) that pains me.</p>
<p>But, hey, I&#8217;m just a bitter Orioles fan&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: markfrednubble</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 20:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nolan, what I mean by the next level is this: When you have one of the highest payrolls in baseball and a sold-out stadium every night. you should be in the playoffs pretty much every year. OK, once in a while you&#039;ll have a bunch of injuries and off-years and you&#039;ll miss the postseason, especially in a division like the AL East. 

In the entire time the current owners have been in Boston, with Theo as GM and TIto as manager, the Red Sox have won the AL East outright once. They have been the Wild Card five times and won two World Series. After winning the &#039;07 World Series, have done as follows: &#039;08 Wild Card, lost in Game 7 of ALCS; &#039;09 Wild Card, got swept in ALDS; &#039;10 missed playoffs; &#039;11 missed playoffs after the worst September collapse in baseball history. 

The trend line is not good at all -- it&#039;s pretty straight downhill. They haven&#039;t won a postseason game in three years. During that time their free agent acquisitions have been major failures. And for two straight years they have several major injuries (more than typical) that have contributed to missing the playoffs. 

For me, getting to the next level means a lot better results that the last three seasons. 

In terms of &quot;overpaid jerks&quot; I am reacting to various reports of recent days about the clubhouse in general and various antics and lack of conditioning that Tito and Theo believed were not conducive to winning. John Lackey is an obvious candidate. Josh Beckett, Lackey&#039;s buddy, had a good year but broke down in September and looks heavier than he has ever been. Crawford was a huge disappointment not only at the plate but on defense and on the bases. I don&#039;t know if those guys or others can be described this way, so maybe the term is a bit unfair. But this was not just a breakdown of injuries, or bad pitching. It was horrendous baseball, the most errors  in September of any team, bad baserunning, good hitters failing repeatedly in key situations. . . too many failures to be attributed to simply injuries or bad starting pitching, as many people are doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nolan, what I mean by the next level is this: When you have one of the highest payrolls in baseball and a sold-out stadium every night. you should be in the playoffs pretty much every year. OK, once in a while you&#8217;ll have a bunch of injuries and off-years and you&#8217;ll miss the postseason, especially in a division like the AL East. </p>
<p>In the entire time the current owners have been in Boston, with Theo as GM and TIto as manager, the Red Sox have won the AL East outright once. They have been the Wild Card five times and won two World Series. After winning the &#8217;07 World Series, have done as follows: &#8217;08 Wild Card, lost in Game 7 of ALCS; &#8217;09 Wild Card, got swept in ALDS; &#8217;10 missed playoffs; &#8217;11 missed playoffs after the worst September collapse in baseball history. </p>
<p>The trend line is not good at all &#8212; it&#8217;s pretty straight downhill. They haven&#8217;t won a postseason game in three years. During that time their free agent acquisitions have been major failures. And for two straight years they have several major injuries (more than typical) that have contributed to missing the playoffs. </p>
<p>For me, getting to the next level means a lot better results that the last three seasons. </p>
<p>In terms of &#8220;overpaid jerks&#8221; I am reacting to various reports of recent days about the clubhouse in general and various antics and lack of conditioning that Tito and Theo believed were not conducive to winning. John Lackey is an obvious candidate. Josh Beckett, Lackey&#8217;s buddy, had a good year but broke down in September and looks heavier than he has ever been. Crawford was a huge disappointment not only at the plate but on defense and on the bases. I don&#8217;t know if those guys or others can be described this way, so maybe the term is a bit unfair. But this was not just a breakdown of injuries, or bad pitching. It was horrendous baseball, the most errors  in September of any team, bad baserunning, good hitters failing repeatedly in key situations. . . too many failures to be attributed to simply injuries or bad starting pitching, as many people are doing.</p>
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		<title>By: honkerdawg</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another stupid move by the Red Sox, sure the mgr gets some blame, but what about ALL the high priced no show players had and acquired they&#039;re the ones who didn&#039;t hit or pitch]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another stupid move by the Red Sox, sure the mgr gets some blame, but what about ALL the high priced no show players had and acquired they&#8217;re the ones who didn&#8217;t hit or pitch</p>
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		<title>By: stackers1</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember a few years back after the Yankees gave Torre his walking papers. They had 2 main candidates - Girardi &amp; Mattingly. Donny, the quiet, much beloved legend in New York was the fans &amp; the media choice. But they went with the former catcher (often just a backup) and former manager of the Feesh, Joe Girardi. Yankee management knew this was not the popular choice, but they also knew that Joe would know how to run the clubhouse. He wouldn&#039;t take any crapola from a player, no matter how much money he made or how long he&#039;s been there. If they hired Donny Baseball back then, I don&#039;t believe they win it in 09 &amp; they wouldn&#039;t be where they are today either.

My point is this &quot;team chemistry&quot; thing is important, especially in cities like NY, Bos. &amp; Chi. where the players make a ton of cash &amp; think that their cocky doesn&#039;t stink.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember a few years back after the Yankees gave Torre his walking papers. They had 2 main candidates &#8211; Girardi &amp; Mattingly. Donny, the quiet, much beloved legend in New York was the fans &amp; the media choice. But they went with the former catcher (often just a backup) and former manager of the Feesh, Joe Girardi. Yankee management knew this was not the popular choice, but they also knew that Joe would know how to run the clubhouse. He wouldn&#8217;t take any crapola from a player, no matter how much money he made or how long he&#8217;s been there. If they hired Donny Baseball back then, I don&#8217;t believe they win it in 09 &amp; they wouldn&#8217;t be where they are today either.</p>
<p>My point is this &#8220;team chemistry&#8221; thing is important, especially in cities like NY, Bos. &amp; Chi. where the players make a ton of cash &amp; think that their cocky doesn&#8217;t stink.</p>
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		<title>By: nolanwiffle</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I won&#039;t disagree with anything you&#039;ve said, because you&#039;re a fan of the team and closer to the situation than I am.  That being said, what is the &quot;next level&quot; you&#039;d like them to reach?  They&#039;ve made the playoffs 5 of the last 8 years and captured two World Series titles in that span.  They very clearly should have made the playoffs this season.

Also, who are the &quot;overpaid jerks who don&#039;t put team above self&quot;?  These guys were on cruise control in July and August, beating everybody in sight.  The wheels fell off, but I never heard this was a clubhouse full of me-first guys.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t disagree with anything you&#8217;ve said, because you&#8217;re a fan of the team and closer to the situation than I am.  That being said, what is the &#8220;next level&#8221; you&#8217;d like them to reach?  They&#8217;ve made the playoffs 5 of the last 8 years and captured two World Series titles in that span.  They very clearly should have made the playoffs this season.</p>
<p>Also, who are the &#8220;overpaid jerks who don&#8217;t put team above self&#8221;?  These guys were on cruise control in July and August, beating everybody in sight.  The wheels fell off, but I never heard this was a clubhouse full of me-first guys.</p>
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		<title>By: jamkarat</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really- no good at managing?? you should check out where he is on the leaderboards for wins and pennants for managing,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really- no good at managing?? you should check out where he is on the leaderboards for wins and pennants for managing,</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo1949</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not quite the Elderly Curmudgeon™, but....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not quite the Elderly Curmudgeon™, but&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: marinersnate</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All good points APBA.  I did want to point out that Buchholz signed long term in April and is signed through 2015 with options for 2016 and 2017.  He won&#039;t be eligable for arbitration this winter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All good points APBA.  I did want to point out that Buchholz signed long term in April and is signed through 2015 with options for 2016 and 2017.  He won&#8217;t be eligable for arbitration this winter.</p>
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		<title>By: patsandsox</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they made him the scapegoat shame on the Red Sox I think this is totaly on Theo. He signed these losers (lackey, Crawford, Drew) and Terry had to play the hand he was dealt. Terry never complained he just did the best he could. 

If anyone should be held accountable it should be the wonder boy in the GM chair.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they made him the scapegoat shame on the Red Sox I think this is totaly on Theo. He signed these losers (lackey, Crawford, Drew) and Terry had to play the hand he was dealt. Terry never complained he just did the best he could. </p>
<p>If anyone should be held accountable it should be the wonder boy in the GM chair.</p>
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		<title>By: markfrednubble</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, APBA. Two options could be trading Youkilis or Ellsbury. 

People will scream at those ideas but hear me out. I love Youk and they need more guys like him, but he&#039;s on the wrong side of the aging curve and he gets hurt too much. We assume he&#039;ll succeed Papi as DH, but what if you could good talent in return? Worth exploring. 

Ellsbury was the best all-around player in the league this year. His agent is Scott Boras and he will be a free agent next fall. I would do everything within reason to get him signed long term but if they can&#039;t, move him this winter for as much young talent as you can get. By young I mean young major leaguers or top prospects who are ready for the bigs (Matt Moore/Brett Lawrie types).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, APBA. Two options could be trading Youkilis or Ellsbury. </p>
<p>People will scream at those ideas but hear me out. I love Youk and they need more guys like him, but he&#8217;s on the wrong side of the aging curve and he gets hurt too much. We assume he&#8217;ll succeed Papi as DH, but what if you could good talent in return? Worth exploring. </p>
<p>Ellsbury was the best all-around player in the league this year. His agent is Scott Boras and he will be a free agent next fall. I would do everything within reason to get him signed long term but if they can&#8217;t, move him this winter for as much young talent as you can get. By young I mean young major leaguers or top prospects who are ready for the bigs (Matt Moore/Brett Lawrie types).</p>
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		<title>By: cba456</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This whole conversation is insane.  Just like the Lackey thing last week - we have no idea what is driving this.  We don&#039;t know if the red sox fired him, if Francona wants out, if the clubhouse was a mess, if it was a tightly run ship, if the red sox have a replacement lined up, or if he was just a scapegoat for a bad situation.  I&#039;m sure some details will come out in the future, but jumping to conclusions based on unnamed sources in the heat of the moment is dumb.  As a red sox fan, I will miss him, I think he was a great fit for 7 years, and I am indescribably happy about 2004 and 2007.  On the other hand, maybe a change isn&#039;t a bad thing (I know i&#039;m ready for a job change every 5 years or so), I wish him the best, and hope for the best for the red sox in the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole conversation is insane.  Just like the Lackey thing last week &#8211; we have no idea what is driving this.  We don&#8217;t know if the red sox fired him, if Francona wants out, if the clubhouse was a mess, if it was a tightly run ship, if the red sox have a replacement lined up, or if he was just a scapegoat for a bad situation.  I&#8217;m sure some details will come out in the future, but jumping to conclusions based on unnamed sources in the heat of the moment is dumb.  As a red sox fan, I will miss him, I think he was a great fit for 7 years, and I am indescribably happy about 2004 and 2007.  On the other hand, maybe a change isn&#8217;t a bad thing (I know i&#8217;m ready for a job change every 5 years or so), I wish him the best, and hope for the best for the red sox in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: lgwelsh1</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Terry did what no manager could do for years in Boston.....win World Series titles. If he left on his own, he has nothing to be ashamed of and best of luck to him. If he was fired......big mistake..BIG mistake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry did what no manager could do for years in Boston&#8230;..win World Series titles. If he left on his own, he has nothing to be ashamed of and best of luck to him. If he was fired&#8230;&#8230;big mistake..BIG mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: markfrednubble</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Read this list of free agents signed by Theo to big contracts (I am not including the low-risk, low-money guys), and tell me he doesn&#039;t share plenty of responsibility: 

Edgar Renteria 
JD Drew
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Julio Lugo
Mike Cameron
John Lackey
Bobby Jenks
Carl Crawford 

That is not a so-so, mediocre record. It is horrendous. I have high hopes that Crawford will turn around but the rest are pretty much lost causes, bad investments. 

Now thankfully, Theo&#039;s record in drafting and developing home-grown talent is much better. Lester, Pedroia, Youkilis, Ellsbury, Buchholz, Papelbon, Bard, Hanley Ramirez (who got Beckett and Lowell here), and the kids dealt to San diego for Adrian Gonzalez.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read this list of free agents signed by Theo to big contracts (I am not including the low-risk, low-money guys), and tell me he doesn&#8217;t share plenty of responsibility: </p>
<p>Edgar Renteria<br />
JD Drew<br />
Daisuke Matsuzaka<br />
Julio Lugo<br />
Mike Cameron<br />
John Lackey<br />
Bobby Jenks<br />
Carl Crawford </p>
<p>That is not a so-so, mediocre record. It is horrendous. I have high hopes that Crawford will turn around but the rest are pretty much lost causes, bad investments. </p>
<p>Now thankfully, Theo&#8217;s record in drafting and developing home-grown talent is much better. Lester, Pedroia, Youkilis, Ellsbury, Buchholz, Papelbon, Bard, Hanley Ramirez (who got Beckett and Lowell here), and the kids dealt to San diego for Adrian Gonzalez.</p>
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		<title>By: APBA Guy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was nice, Mark-Fred.

I argued yesterday that Tito was not to blame, primarily due to injuries. How much of this clubhouse stuff we&#039;re hearing today is actually true we don&#039;t know yet. It&#039;s also unclear if Tito initiated the departure or not. 

But it is a law of nature and baseball that first the manager takes the fall. Next some of the players will get weeded out. I don&#039;t think John Henry is going to look at this mess and think that replacing Tito will cure all ills. There&#039;s more to come.

The Red Sox have $ 121M committed to 2012, with arbitration for Ellsbury, Buchholz, Salty, and Lowrie upcoming. So they&#039;ll be at close to $ 145M after arbitration. That doesn&#039;t give them a lot of play, especially with Papelbon and Ortiz as FA&#039;s. They&#039;ve got to fill their RF spot, provide depth in the OF and at catcher, and most of all, shore up the rotation and the bullpen. All for under $ 20M. 

That can&#039;t be done, so somebody expensive will have to go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was nice, Mark-Fred.</p>
<p>I argued yesterday that Tito was not to blame, primarily due to injuries. How much of this clubhouse stuff we&#8217;re hearing today is actually true we don&#8217;t know yet. It&#8217;s also unclear if Tito initiated the departure or not. </p>
<p>But it is a law of nature and baseball that first the manager takes the fall. Next some of the players will get weeded out. I don&#8217;t think John Henry is going to look at this mess and think that replacing Tito will cure all ills. There&#8217;s more to come.</p>
<p>The Red Sox have $ 121M committed to 2012, with arbitration for Ellsbury, Buchholz, Salty, and Lowrie upcoming. So they&#8217;ll be at close to $ 145M after arbitration. That doesn&#8217;t give them a lot of play, especially with Papelbon and Ortiz as FA&#8217;s. They&#8217;ve got to fill their RF spot, provide depth in the OF and at catcher, and most of all, shore up the rotation and the bullpen. All for under $ 20M. </p>
<p>That can&#8217;t be done, so somebody expensive will have to go.</p>
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		<title>By: uyf1950</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, but in my opinion just like last year he nothing when a couple of the players went down with injuries.  For Example:  Dice K and Buchholz. both went down early in the season and Epstein instead of looking to replace them with &quot;decent replacements&quot;  who did he go to?  Bedard, he spot started Wakefield and Aceves, Weiland, Miller.
The truth is and again this is just my opinion but once the season started Epstein sat on this thumbs and was lulled into a false sense of security by the Sox play during the summer.  Offense (scoring) covers up a lot of faults but when the offense began to sputter it couldn&#039;t and didn&#039;t cover up the weakest link in the Sox chain and that was the pitching.  Aceves innings finally caught up with him, Dice K and Buchholz never made it back into the starting rotation and Wheeler stunk and Jenks spent more time on the DL then he did in a Sox uniform in 2011.  So yes, in my opinion Epstein bears a big part of the responsibility for the Sox downfall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but in my opinion just like last year he nothing when a couple of the players went down with injuries.  For Example:  Dice K and Buchholz. both went down early in the season and Epstein instead of looking to replace them with &#8220;decent replacements&#8221;  who did he go to?  Bedard, he spot started Wakefield and Aceves, Weiland, Miller.<br />
The truth is and again this is just my opinion but once the season started Epstein sat on this thumbs and was lulled into a false sense of security by the Sox play during the summer.  Offense (scoring) covers up a lot of faults but when the offense began to sputter it couldn&#8217;t and didn&#8217;t cover up the weakest link in the Sox chain and that was the pitching.  Aceves innings finally caught up with him, Dice K and Buchholz never made it back into the starting rotation and Wheeler stunk and Jenks spent more time on the DL then he did in a Sox uniform in 2011.  So yes, in my opinion Epstein bears a big part of the responsibility for the Sox downfall.</p>
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		<title>By: contraryguy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Put Francona in a dugout not so filled with random free agent purchases and he&#039;ll do great. I&#039;d love to see him in a Reds uniform but Dusty and crew have one more year to make stupid lineups and burn out pitchers arms before  they&#039;re off contract. No big divas on the Reds roster (or maybe, nobody that has a right to be).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put Francona in a dugout not so filled with random free agent purchases and he&#8217;ll do great. I&#8217;d love to see him in a Reds uniform but Dusty and crew have one more year to make stupid lineups and burn out pitchers arms before  they&#8217;re off contract. No big divas on the Reds roster (or maybe, nobody that has a right to be).</p>
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		<title>By: markfrednubble</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a Red Sox season ticket holder and a die-hard fan since 1967. Terry Francona is the best manager the Red Sox have had in my lifetime as a fan -- not only demonstrated by winning and bottom-line results but by the humanity of this guy. He is class epitomized, a folksy old-time baseball guy with a very sharp mind, straight shooter, a guy who has his players&#039; backs and never lets them twist in the media wind when he can take a bullet for him. As a corporate guy and leader of organizations, I find much to admire in Tito&#039;s people management style. I also think there is a rare level of loyalty to this guy in the fan base, much more than exists for most of the players. This is not normal. Tito is truly beloved in Boston. 

That said, this organization is at a critical intersection. They should be questioning a lot of things they believe they do well -- including the General Manager we&#039;ve always thought we were so lucky to have (could a GM have a worse record with high-priced free agents than Theo?). Sometimes you have to change management not because management is weak or inadequate, but because you need a fresh approach to get the organization to the next level. They probably aren&#039;t going to change Tito at this stage of his life. He is who he is. They are stuck with too many overpaid jerks on that roster who don&#039;t put team ahead of self. It&#039;s not as simple as firing those players. This 2011 team probably needed a tough bastard who didn&#039;t care if players hated him some days, a Belichick type. The logic may seem backward, but they have forced themselves into needing to change the manager because they are stuck with most of the players they have. 

I am not saying I believe they are right in letting Tito go. In my heart I hate it. In my head I understand it. I get the argument that injuries killed them this year but if you watched them every day, you know it went deeper than that. Remember when the Red Sox of &#039;70s were mocked as &quot;25 guys, 25 cabs&quot;? It sounds like this group is similar. 

Tito&#039;s place in Red Sox history can never be diminished. He will never have to pay for another meal or beer in this town as long as he lives. I can&#039;t wait to get up out of my seat one day and stand up for this guy when he is given his proper moment as the manager who ended 86 years of frustration. He will get a hero&#039;s reception that day and he will deserve every minute of it. Thanks for everything, Tito. Hold you heard high. You deserve better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Red Sox season ticket holder and a die-hard fan since 1967. Terry Francona is the best manager the Red Sox have had in my lifetime as a fan &#8212; not only demonstrated by winning and bottom-line results but by the humanity of this guy. He is class epitomized, a folksy old-time baseball guy with a very sharp mind, straight shooter, a guy who has his players&#8217; backs and never lets them twist in the media wind when he can take a bullet for him. As a corporate guy and leader of organizations, I find much to admire in Tito&#8217;s people management style. I also think there is a rare level of loyalty to this guy in the fan base, much more than exists for most of the players. This is not normal. Tito is truly beloved in Boston. </p>
<p>That said, this organization is at a critical intersection. They should be questioning a lot of things they believe they do well &#8212; including the General Manager we&#8217;ve always thought we were so lucky to have (could a GM have a worse record with high-priced free agents than Theo?). Sometimes you have to change management not because management is weak or inadequate, but because you need a fresh approach to get the organization to the next level. They probably aren&#8217;t going to change Tito at this stage of his life. He is who he is. They are stuck with too many overpaid jerks on that roster who don&#8217;t put team ahead of self. It&#8217;s not as simple as firing those players. This 2011 team probably needed a tough bastard who didn&#8217;t care if players hated him some days, a Belichick type. The logic may seem backward, but they have forced themselves into needing to change the manager because they are stuck with most of the players they have. </p>
<p>I am not saying I believe they are right in letting Tito go. In my heart I hate it. In my head I understand it. I get the argument that injuries killed them this year but if you watched them every day, you know it went deeper than that. Remember when the Red Sox of &#8217;70s were mocked as &#8220;25 guys, 25 cabs&#8221;? It sounds like this group is similar. </p>
<p>Tito&#8217;s place in Red Sox history can never be diminished. He will never have to pay for another meal or beer in this town as long as he lives. I can&#8217;t wait to get up out of my seat one day and stand up for this guy when he is given his proper moment as the manager who ended 86 years of frustration. He will get a hero&#8217;s reception that day and he will deserve every minute of it. Thanks for everything, Tito. Hold you heard high. You deserve better.</p>
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		<title>By: no1sportsfan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[* buddy bell has already turned down interviewing for the white sox job he is staying where he is. How about Bob Brenly it can&#039;t hurt to ask him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* buddy bell has already turned down interviewing for the white sox job he is staying where he is. How about Bob Brenly it can&#8217;t hurt to ask him.</p>
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		<title>By: marshmallowsnake</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe the time has come for me to drop the old town team... This reeks of Grady Little in 2003 and of the ownership caving into public opinion. Something tells me I will not get the straight story either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the time has come for me to drop the old town team&#8230; This reeks of Grady Little in 2003 and of the ownership caving into public opinion. Something tells me I will not get the straight story either.</p>
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		<title>By: psousa1</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shame.  He&#039;s a good manager.  Best of my lifetime with the sox.  With everyone you question moves but he was the best they&#039;ve ever had.  No way does a guy like Torre or Valentine come in here.  Theo swears by the sabermetrics bullshit and buys into the moneyball philosophy that a manager and team chemistry don&#039;t play into winning games (which is crap).  Theo knows a veteran manager (Valentine challenges the front office everywhere he goes)  will not be on board with this.  It will probably be Dave Martinez of Tampa if anyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shame.  He&#8217;s a good manager.  Best of my lifetime with the sox.  With everyone you question moves but he was the best they&#8217;ve ever had.  No way does a guy like Torre or Valentine come in here.  Theo swears by the sabermetrics bullshit and buys into the moneyball philosophy that a manager and team chemistry don&#8217;t play into winning games (which is crap).  Theo knows a veteran manager (Valentine challenges the front office everywhere he goes)  will not be on board with this.  It will probably be Dave Martinez of Tampa if anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: ippoic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ippoic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How is Epstein responsible?  He came into this season having addressed the team&#039;s need for a left fielder, having six starters available (Dice-K, Lackey, Lester, Buchholz, Beckett, Wakefield) at the MLB level and Dubront sitting in the minors, and he had good options off the bench (Lowrie).  During the season he went out and acquired one starter and tried to swing a deal for a second.

Sorry, but sometimes bad luck and injuries take down a team.  No team in baseball is prepared to have 9 guys toe the rubber.  Not Theo&#039;s fault.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is Epstein responsible?  He came into this season having addressed the team&#8217;s need for a left fielder, having six starters available (Dice-K, Lackey, Lester, Buchholz, Beckett, Wakefield) at the MLB level and Dubront sitting in the minors, and he had good options off the bench (Lowrie).  During the season he went out and acquired one starter and tried to swing a deal for a second.</p>
<p>Sorry, but sometimes bad luck and injuries take down a team.  No team in baseball is prepared to have 9 guys toe the rubber.  Not Theo&#8217;s fault.</p>
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		<title>By: aaronmoreno</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boston sportswriters are right-they becoming more like the Yankees.

Just like New York, Boston is full of entitled a-holes in the media who run everyone into the ground, and say they can&#039;t take the heat when they leave.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boston sportswriters are right-they becoming more like the Yankees.</p>
<p>Just like New York, Boston is full of entitled a-holes in the media who run everyone into the ground, and say they can&#8217;t take the heat when they leave.</p>
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		<title>By: badmamainphilliesjamas</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t think the RS collapse can be pinned on Francona ...even if he did lose control of the clubhouse, the game is played by the players on the field.  Managers are easy scapegoats, but it&#039;s hard to quantify their actual added (or subtracted) value. 
Every top team has high-priced players and big egos.  They all have injuries--some worse than others.  That said, watching Charlie Manuel and the Phils, I think much can be said for what a manager DOESN&#039;T allow to happen.  It&#039;s hard to prove a negative, but a manager is the one who can keep a team from going off the rails in the midst of injuries, slumps, egos, finger-pointing and local sports talk.
Hope Francona lands someplace where he&#039;s appreciated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t think the RS collapse can be pinned on Francona &#8230;even if he did lose control of the clubhouse, the game is played by the players on the field.  Managers are easy scapegoats, but it&#8217;s hard to quantify their actual added (or subtracted) value.<br />
Every top team has high-priced players and big egos.  They all have injuries&#8211;some worse than others.  That said, watching Charlie Manuel and the Phils, I think much can be said for what a manager DOESN&#8217;T allow to happen.  It&#8217;s hard to prove a negative, but a manager is the one who can keep a team from going off the rails in the midst of injuries, slumps, egos, finger-pointing and local sports talk.<br />
Hope Francona lands someplace where he&#8217;s appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: uyf1950</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[uyf1950]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone has to be made to be the scapegoat.   Sure probably Theo Epstein is more responsible for the Sox demise than Francona but usually the first guy to go is the &quot;on field&quot; manager and a couple of coaches.  That&#039;s just the way it is.  Sure it&#039;s the players that are mainly to blame they are the ones that go out and actually run, hit and pitch but as the saying goes you can&#039;t let 25 players go.  Or at least in the case of September for the Sox let 20 or so under performers go.  So Francona has to &quot;fall on his sword&quot;.  It may not be right, it may not be the best thing for the organization either short or long term, but it is the way of the sports world.  
The problem for the Sox should Francona leave however doesn&#039;t change.  They still have the underlying issues.  Some bad in hindsight long term contracts like Crawford&#039;s and Lackey&#039;s.  Obviously some issues with the health of certain players like Lowell and Buchholz.  And not saying anything about the players they may or may not have to replace like Papelbon and Ortiz.  
To be honest nearly everyone applauded Theo Epstein during FA and spring training for the coup he made with the signings of Wheeler, Jenks, Crawford and Gonzalez.  But the truth is Wheeler, Jenks and Crawford were a complete bust in 2011 as for Gonzalez and this is just my opinion while his overall numbers are impressive.  When crunch time came in August and specifically September he did not live up to expectations.
So the Sox management/ownership can get rid of Francona but have they made anything better or only worse?  That the question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone has to be made to be the scapegoat.   Sure probably Theo Epstein is more responsible for the Sox demise than Francona but usually the first guy to go is the &#8220;on field&#8221; manager and a couple of coaches.  That&#8217;s just the way it is.  Sure it&#8217;s the players that are mainly to blame they are the ones that go out and actually run, hit and pitch but as the saying goes you can&#8217;t let 25 players go.  Or at least in the case of September for the Sox let 20 or so under performers go.  So Francona has to &#8220;fall on his sword&#8221;.  It may not be right, it may not be the best thing for the organization either short or long term, but it is the way of the sports world.<br />
The problem for the Sox should Francona leave however doesn&#8217;t change.  They still have the underlying issues.  Some bad in hindsight long term contracts like Crawford&#8217;s and Lackey&#8217;s.  Obviously some issues with the health of certain players like Lowell and Buchholz.  And not saying anything about the players they may or may not have to replace like Papelbon and Ortiz.<br />
To be honest nearly everyone applauded Theo Epstein during FA and spring training for the coup he made with the signings of Wheeler, Jenks, Crawford and Gonzalez.  But the truth is Wheeler, Jenks and Crawford were a complete bust in 2011 as for Gonzalez and this is just my opinion while his overall numbers are impressive.  When crunch time came in August and specifically September he did not live up to expectations.<br />
So the Sox management/ownership can get rid of Francona but have they made anything better or only worse?  That the question.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Fiorentino</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Fiorentino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I only remember that song quote because of her huge bombs bouncing around in the video back in the day.  It&#039;s not like I ever listened to Janet &quot;Miss Jackson if you&#039;re Nasty&quot; ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only remember that song quote because of her huge bombs bouncing around in the video back in the day.  It&#8217;s not like I ever listened to Janet &#8220;Miss Jackson if you&#8217;re Nasty&#8221; <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: stinkfist5</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Buck, here&#039;s your chance to nab your first transaction...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buck, here&#8217;s your chance to nab your first transaction&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sportsdrenched.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I think Buddy Bell is a good fit for the White Sox.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I think Buddy Bell is a good fit for the White Sox.</p>
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		<title>By: daubs17</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[totally obnoxious. the fact that a manager no longer wants to manage the boston red sox is a clear indication of the stuff that went on in the clubhouse. ortiz, youkilis, papelbon, and lackey all need to go. see ya losees]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>totally obnoxious. the fact that a manager no longer wants to manage the boston red sox is a clear indication of the stuff that went on in the clubhouse. ortiz, youkilis, papelbon, and lackey all need to go. see ya losees</p>
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		<title>By: nolanwiffle</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You two should get together and discuss this further over a couple of apple-tinis.]]></description>
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		<title>By: aceshigh11</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aceshigh11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That sucks.  I&#039;m going to miss him.]]></description>
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