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Report: Red Sox pitchers drank beer during games on their off days

Sep 30, 2011, 11:51 AM EDT

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John Tomase of the Boston Herald has some details on how the Red Sox’s clubhouse atmosphere deteriorated this season, including a report that “more than one pitcher drank beer in the clubhouse during games on the days he didn’t pitch.”

Because relievers don’t really have off days that suggests “pitchers” are really “starting pitchers” and that narrows down the list of candidates considerably.

A total of 10 pitchers started for the Red Sox this season, but only Jon Lester (31), Josh Beckett (30), John Lackey (28), and Tim Wakefield (23) started at least 20 times. Other starters were Clay Buchholz (14), Andrew Miller (12), Erik Bedard (8), Daisuke Matsuzaka (7), Kyle Weiland (5), and Alfredo Aceves (4).

Of course, whether or not drinking beer in the clubhouse between starts is big news is debatable–Thomase notes that the Red Sox famously sipped Jack Daniels together before ALCS games in 2004–but either way it’s certainly not something the Red Sox would want made public amid Terry Francona’s departure and talk of various players not being in good shape and wearing down late in the season.

  1. kopy - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:01 PM

    Sam Malone is still playing?

    • Glanzer - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:37 PM

      Sam Malone was even worse–he was pitching while drunk at times. Remember how he attacked the Oriole mascot during a game and had no recollection of it?

    • kiwicricket - Sep 30, 2011 at 1:59 PM

      I must admit, I laughed out loud when someone posted on here as ‘Norm’s wife Vera’ once.
      It’s a toss up between that and ‘Utley’s Hair’ as to which amuse me the most.

  2. danandcasey - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:06 PM

    They should fire Terry Francona!

  3. yankeesfanlen - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:06 PM

    Small things like this probably made the Sox trade Babe Ruth- How’s that workin’ out for you?

    • bigleagues - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:13 PM

      “Small things like this probably made the Sox trade Babe Ruth- How’s that workin’ out for you?”

      Yeah, cuz the Frazee family owns the team and sells its best players for cash in order to finance their Broadway show productions.

      Dumbest comment ever.

      • yankeesfanlen - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:17 PM

        Yeah, those shows were BIG hits. For 86 years or something.

      • bigleagues - Sep 30, 2011 at 1:03 PM

        MEMO
        October 21st, 2004

        TO: yankeesfanlen
        FR: MLB
        RE: ‘Curse of the Bambino’

        As you know by now the Boston Red Sox completed the first ‘reverse sweep’ in history to win the ALCS in the “House that Ruth Built”.

        The “Curse of the Bambino” which wasn’t actually voodoo, but rather a turn of phrase in a 1990 book by a Boston Sports writer has officially been retired.

        Please adjust your taunting accordingly.

      • bigleagues - Sep 30, 2011 at 1:11 PM

        MEMO
        October 28th, 2007

        TO: yankeesfanlen
        FR: MLB
        RE: Red Sox Win World Series Again

        Following the Red Sox historic disposal of the Yankees in the 2004 ALCS we advised you that the so-called “Curse of the Bambino” had become obsolete.

        This communication is to advise you that the Boston Red Sox now have won 2 World Series since the New York Yankees last championship.

        Again we advise that Yankees fans should adjust their taunting to avoid looking foolish.

        Also, please find the enclosed: 2 tickets to the Broadway revival of No, No, Nanette.

      • bigleagues - Sep 30, 2011 at 1:12 PM

        MEMO
        October 28th, 2007

        TO: yankeesfanlen
        FR: MLB
        RE: Red Sox Win World Series Again

        Following the Red Sox historic disposal of the Yankees in the 2004 ALCS we advised you that the so-called “Curse of the Bambino” had become obsolete.

        This communication is to advise you that the Boston Red Sox now have won 2 World Series since the New York Yankees last championship.

        Again we advise that Yankees fans should adjust their taunting to avoid looking foolish.

        Also, please find the enclosed: 2 tickets to the Broadway revival of No, No, Nanette. Enjoy the show.

      • bigleagues - Sep 30, 2011 at 2:56 PM

        MEMO – CONFIDENTIAL
        September 29th, 2011

        TO: All Yankees Fans
        FR: Darth Steinbrenner
        RE: Empire Strikes Back

        The rebel alliance, better known as the Boston Red Sox, were dealt a severe blow last night by a covert renegade clone army we have deployed in the Imperial resort Tampa Bay.

        We have intelligence to suggest that rebel leaders & their remaining forces are already meeting on the far away ice planet Hoth (New England) to strategize their next plan of attack. Defections are expected and being encouraged through stealth Imperial agents working through appropriate communications channels (WEEI, Sports Hub, Herald, ProJo).

        To keep up the ruse we have programmed the renegade clone army to attack Imperial forces. After a short battle they have been programmed to surrender to the Imperials. We expect all to go as planned. However, it is imperative that we reserve a more public campaign of antagonizing and belittling the rebel alliance (Red Sox fans) until we have disposed of the Tampa unit.

        Any unforseen malfunction trouble with the Tampa Clones could haunt us as we could have disposed of them ourselves and faced off against the rebel alliance directly.

      • jimbo1949 - Sep 30, 2011 at 3:56 PM

        Red Sox lost 2 out of 3 very important games, which cost them the wild card, while playing across the street from the Babe Ruth Museum.
        .
        Just sayin’………..

      • clydeserra - Sep 30, 2011 at 6:35 PM

        Question of big leagues: Did the red sox win Both world series played in 2010?

      • firedude7160 - Sep 30, 2011 at 7:23 PM

        Question for clydeserra that will allow him to answer his own question aimed at bigleagues- Did you skip the first grade class that explained how to read and write dates?

      • bigleagues - Sep 30, 2011 at 8:08 PM

        clyde:

        huh? 2010? both world series? I mean, huh?

    • natstowngreg - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:27 PM

      Baba Ruth did not do small things.

  4. cerowb - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:10 PM

    Meh, call me old-fashioned but this really isn’t a huge deal. Of course, I’d just assume they NOT enjoy a mug of suds during the game, but still…nothing really to get in a fuss over.

  5. jconfalone - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:10 PM

    Yeah, I wonder who that could be? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42XJwaqlJyI

  6. marshmallowsnake - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:11 PM

    I think 311 sang it best with, “There’s nothing to see, show’s over. People just move along.”

    That is how we need to treat this Sox team.

  7. bigleagues - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:18 PM

    I’d bet the house that its Beckett and Lackey front and center. And they are also the guys that would fit into the ‘better conditioning’ mold that Theo mentioned yesterday.

    I’d find it much harder to believe that Lester and Buchholz were among the beer drinkers (as they are both still working towards that first big day).

  8. drunkenhooliganism - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:18 PM

    Is theo trying to save his ass and stop the backlash from firing Francona? That’s way too obvious and and journalist would never fall for that.

    • mornelithe - Sep 30, 2011 at 2:51 PM

      You must’ve missed the part where they’ve stated Francona is rumored to want to go, and that it’s not a matter of being fired.

  9. thefrenchyconnection - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:20 PM

    Yawn. Next the media will be breaking the news that basketball players smoke joints before games.

  10. aceshigh11 - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:27 PM

    Now all the dirt and recriminations will come out.

    The next few months are going to be ugly for RSN.

  11. Jonny 5 - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:32 PM

    I drank beer on their off days as well……

    • acheron2112 - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:36 PM

      If I had to watch Lackey pitch in person every five days, I’d be drinking too.

      • lovesmesomeme - Sep 30, 2011 at 3:20 PM

        Amen

  12. bigleagues - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:46 PM

    Guess what . . .

    On WEEI, Lou Merloni just revealed that Beckett, Lackey and others appeared in a country music video that was released this past July. The name of the song?

    “Hell Yeah, I Like Beer” by Kevin Fowler:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDKwpbkIpQ4

    I’m officially embarrassed.

    • bigleagues - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:52 PM

      BTW – they’re all in uniform standing in front of the Green Monster. This is gonna get ugly.

      Why didn’t that embed?

      • seattlej - Sep 30, 2011 at 1:23 PM

        How did you get it to embed that time? I can’t seem to get it to work.

      • bigleagues - Sep 30, 2011 at 2:07 PM

        First of all it has to be Youtube and use the long URL (from the address bar in the browser).

        All I can figure is this: in the first post I had text above and below the video link. In the second one I tried it without text below and it embedded with no issue. Maybe having text above and below messes with the code that recognizes the video link? I dunno.

      • seattlej - Sep 30, 2011 at 3:58 PM

        Thanks. I was using the link that youtube gives you for embedding. Not sure why that wouldn’t work.

      • jimbo1949 - Sep 30, 2011 at 4:04 PM

        If you right click on the youtube video, the pop up box gives you the option to “copy embed html” which you paste in the comment box.

  13. firedude7160 - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:48 PM

    Maybe it was just in place of a sports drink after a workout. I remember reading an article about how beer could be better than sports drinks because it is carbohydrate-loaded without the jitters caused by some energy drinks.

    • firedude7160 - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:50 PM

      Found the article
      “A Bavarian brewmeister is touting its no-alcohol beer as the latest sport drink for athletes, handing it out at the finish line of sporting events and touting its regenerative benefits.”

      http://www.modbee.com/2011/02/21/1566867/german-near-beer-touted-as-sport.html

  14. oikosjeremy - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:52 PM

    Meh. I’d rather they didn’t do it, but the truth is that lots of players drink during the season. What matters is being in shape. You can drink and be in shape, or not drink and be out of shape. And the timing of your drinking (during vs. after games) is irrelevant to that. It’s not like beer contains extra calories if you drink it during a game.

    I agree that Lackey and probably Beckett ought to get in better shape (and this would be a non-story if they were in shape), but I doubt the primary reason they’re out of shape is because of drinking during games on their off days.

  15. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Sep 30, 2011 at 12:52 PM

    They should have taken LSD. I hear that shyte makes pitchers crazy good!!

    • seattlej - Sep 30, 2011 at 1:19 PM

      • seattlej - Sep 30, 2011 at 1:21 PM

    • bigleagues - Sep 30, 2011 at 1:25 PM

  16. seattlej - Sep 30, 2011 at 1:14 PM

    I know New England is all Puritanical, but what’s the big deal here, it’s beer? It’s not like they were knocking back shots of Bacardi 151 or something. Is the temperance movement making a comeback in Boston?

    • bigleagues - Sep 30, 2011 at 1:29 PM

      The one criticism I have always had about Beckett (going back to when I saw him in AA) is his conditioning. He goes home each Winter to his ranch drinks beer, eats steak and hunts. He shows up in Spring Training out of shape with virtually no off-season conditioning and attempts to coast on his natural talent. It ain’t working.

      If Theo stays and wants to make a statement – find a way to deal Beckett.

      If Lackey was one of the beer drinkers (and I’ll bet he was) – conditioning.

      None of these guys were in a position to be drinking beer in between starts. NONE OF THEM.

      • clydeserra - Sep 30, 2011 at 6:41 PM

        saw him in AA. {snerk}

      • bigleagues - Oct 1, 2011 at 12:36 AM

        Yeah I saw him in 2 Starts at AA – be as snarky as you like. He was with Portland when they were still the Marlins affiliate.

        I also saw Victor Martinez, Cliff Lee, Ryan Madson, Matt Cain, Joe Mauer (met him his first day in AA), Milton Bradley, Marcus Thames, Randy Flores, Brian Wilson, Drew Henson, Alfonso Soriano, Nick Johnson, Justin Morneau, Michael Cuddyer, David Aardsma, Fred Lewis, Boof Bonser, Juan Rivera – should I keep going?

        Freddy Sanchez, Kevin Youkilis, Marlon Byrd, Brandon Phillips, Jimmy Rollins, Grady Sizemore, Shea Hillenbrand, AJ Pierzynski, Jason Michaels, Ty Wiggington, Brad Wilkerson, Pat Burrell, Donzell McDonald, John McDonald, David Eckstein, Bronson Arroyo, Joel Pinero, Brett Myers, Chien Ming Wang, Dioner Navarro, Mike Jacobs, Jeremy Guthrie, Brandon League, Scott Baker.

        More? David Wright, Jose Reyes, Jeff Keppinger, Nate McLouth, Ryan Howard, Robinson Cano, Aaron Hill, Fausto Carmona, Jeff Karstens, Jon Lester, Shaun Marcum, Joel Zumaya, Tom Gorzelanny, Dustin Pedroia, Jose Bautista, Hanley Ramirez.

        To summarize . . . I’ve watched a lot of baseball.

    • bigleagues - Sep 30, 2011 at 1:30 PM

      BTW, in case you missed it . . . it doesn’t get more embarrassing than this:

    • mornelithe - Sep 30, 2011 at 2:52 PM

      New England is puritanical? Tell that to all the micro-breweries throughout Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Boston, and New York.

      • seattlej - Sep 30, 2011 at 3:57 PM

        Yes, love the breweries… though they’re a far cry from the number here in the NW. But I was referring more to the tradition/legacy of the region. After all, if any part of the country is puritanical, isn’t it New England? That’s where the puritans were. And the last time I was there I couldn’t buy booze on a Sunday — the legacy is still there.

  17. bobwsc - Sep 30, 2011 at 1:15 PM

    Tomase is a tub of goo so take this with a grain of salt. he is the architect behind a piece before the Pats/Giants super bowl claiming – through a credible source – that the Pats taped the Rams game walk-through prior to Super Bowl 36, which turned out to be bupkis…much like his existence.

  18. ccyclone - Sep 30, 2011 at 1:18 PM

    As many of pitchers of beer those guys go through why do you think they call them pitchers?

  19. seattlej - Sep 30, 2011 at 1:33 PM

    I heard that their punishment, as per New England culture and tradition, is that they have to wear a scarlet letter… in this case a “B” for beer. Oh, wait…

  20. Chris Fiorentino - Sep 30, 2011 at 1:36 PM

    I am surprised at all the “It’s OK to do this” comments on here. Seriously? During a game? Drinking beer? I don’t know about what goes on at Red Sox games or other team’s games, but I do know this much…I watched just about every Phillies game this season and there was never a game that Doc, Lee, Oswalt and Hamels weren’t together on the bench. None. If one of them was pitching, then the other three were sitting together. So if you are telling me that DURING GAMES, there were guys in the clubhouse drinking beers? That’s a disgrace.

    • bigleagues - Sep 30, 2011 at 3:20 PM

      I completely agree.

      It’s completely unprofessional – and as much as it pains me to say this – does anyone think Yankees players, at any time during a game, in the clubhouse drinking alcohol beverages.

    • seattlej - Sep 30, 2011 at 4:09 PM

      Meh. I just can’t get worked up over it. I think the part about being in the clubhouse is the bigger deal, but that happens all the time, right? If I were a Sox fan, would I prefer that they were engaged in the game? Sure, of course.

      But the fact that people are riled up over the beer aspect of it is ridiculous. A beer or two is pretty harmless. Unless they were pounding them it’s probably better for them than a sugary gatorade.

      • bigleagues - Sep 30, 2011 at 4:26 PM

        I’ll agree it’s not the only problem. It’s not even one of the biggest problems. But it is quite indicative of guys who don’t take their job seriously.

        My experience with the AA clubs of two major league organizations is drinking alcohol in the clubhouse before or during a game – even if you weren’t playing was clearly against the rules. That’s was in the organizational code of conduct. The reason is – unlike the romanticized days of Ruth – all of these guys are investments and employees. It’s just unprofessional. And it makes a statement to other teammates that you don’t care. There’s plenty of time to drink after the game or during the offseason (which these Sox are getting all too acquainted with).

  21. dannie0107 - Sep 30, 2011 at 1:36 PM

    Memo

    TO: bigleagues
    FROM: MLB
    RE: Correction to your memo to yankeesfanlen

    The Yankees won their last World Series Championship in 2009.

    Please update your records.

    Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

    • firedude7160 - Sep 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM

      Dannie- You failed to read the entire Memo. Both of Bigleagues memo’s were dated…
      “MEMO
      October 21st, 2004″
      “MEMO
      October 28th, 2007″
      … and since there is no EDIT FUNCTION, we all know that he didn’t go back and add that. You must have just missed that part

      • bigleagues - Sep 30, 2011 at 2:10 PM

        LOL . . . thanks for the back up firedude!

      • Chris Fiorentino - Sep 30, 2011 at 2:22 PM

        LOL…I have to admit I missed that too. I am glad I didn’t say anything about it :D

      • firedude7160 - Sep 30, 2011 at 2:35 PM

        Anytime, Bigleagues. Some people just can’t see the forest for the trees

  22. bobdira - Sep 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM

    Once again our friend bigleagues proves he is anything but big league with his overstatement (hey, don’t let the facts prevent you from making an a** of yourself AGAIN!!!!

    Apparently 2009 was the year he was trying to obtain total conciousness from the Dali Lama in Tibet.

    Big tipper the Lama!

    • firedude7160 - Sep 30, 2011 at 2:05 PM

      See the reply to the comment above you. You guys like to bust on him, and yet you fail to actually READ his while post. Just sayin…

    • bigleagues - Sep 30, 2011 at 2:12 PM

      bobdira . . . the next time you make a relevant and accurate comment will be your first.

  23. shaggytoodle - Sep 30, 2011 at 2:23 PM

    Thinking, ain’t drinking.

  24. mornelithe - Sep 30, 2011 at 2:54 PM

    I think it should be a team rule, honestly. Games are literally no more than 4-5 hours long at the very most, you can’t avoid having a beer for that long? Really? That’s just pure weakness, imo.

  25. spudchukar - Sep 30, 2011 at 3:00 PM

    Maybe they should have taken the Doc Ellis approach and caught a buzz on their days “on”.

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