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NLDS Live Chat: Cardinals vs. Phillies Game 2

Oct 2, 2011, 8:17 PM EDT

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It’s Chris Carpenter vs. Cliff Lee in Game 2.  Must-win for the Cardinals? I hate to be so dramatic, but yeah, if you fall down 0-2 in a five game series you’re kinda screwed. Especially considering that your Game 3 opponent will be Cole Hamels.  So, yes, I’d say that St. Louis had better figure it out tonight lest they want to watch the NLCS under the same conditions the rest of us will be.

So let’s chat this up, shall we?  First pitch at 8:37pm.

  1. halladaysbiceps - Oct 2, 2011 at 8:25 PM

    I won’t be in on this during the game. I can’t chat/live blog when the Phillies are in playoff baseball. My concentration has to be on the game. If I’m not too drunk by the end of the game, I may come back on later to talk it.

    • 4d3fect - Oct 2, 2011 at 9:54 PM

      Threaten me, willya?

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 2, 2011 at 10:05 PM


    • kiwicricket - Oct 2, 2011 at 11:35 PM

      Just to clarify….You need to drink in order to concentrate? Or getting drunk increases your powers of concentration?

  2. jayswin93 - Oct 2, 2011 at 8:41 PM

    Tony LaRussa might be the equalizer in this series.. And (cliche) anything can happen in a short series. But the Cards don’t really belong in the same ball park as the Phillies. I’m just sayin’

  3. proudlycanadian - Oct 2, 2011 at 8:49 PM

    One Two Three Look at Mr Lee…
    Three Four Five, Look at him Jive
    Mr. Lee Me Lee
    Oh Mr Lee
    Mr Lee, Mr Lee
    Oh Mr Lee
    Mr Lee

  4. stlducks - Oct 2, 2011 at 8:53 PM

    I want to say this is going to be a pitching duel but i am nervous with Carp going on three days rest for the first time in his career. Hipefully the bats show up and dont go to sleep early again.

  5. jayswin93 - Oct 2, 2011 at 10:51 PM

    Hmmm! Cards bats coming alive. Phillies must dig deep to put a stranglehold on these guys.

  6. stlducks - Oct 2, 2011 at 10:56 PM

    theriot can go back to the cubs now. hes not used to playing in october.

    • meteor32 - Oct 2, 2011 at 11:21 PM

      Yeah, luckily he’s too dumb to remember the two trips he made to the postseason with the Cubs.

  7. stlducks - Oct 2, 2011 at 11:28 PM

    stay classy philly. Boo mound visits and pickoffs (even thonit worked). Cheer when he throws at Craigs head. Just great class

  8. stlducks - Oct 2, 2011 at 11:32 PM

    yea two trips = 6 games…swept both times, I wouldnt say that is good experience.

  9. stlducks - Oct 2, 2011 at 11:44 PM

    Smart managing by TLR this inning. I would have walked Howard but thats why TLR has all the wins….Now Motte needs to not suck

  10. stlducks - Oct 2, 2011 at 11:59 PM

    motte is terrible when he starts an inning. the only time hes good is whn he comes in and needs a K

    • thefalcon123 - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:15 AM

      Motte had a 4 to 1 K/BB ratio, gave up 2 homers all year and had a 2.25 ERA. He’s is pretty damn good any time. I think he’s fine any time.

  11. stlducks - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:03 AM

    well im out, but halladaysbiceps when you come on here to complain i hope you read this.

    This is what i was saying last night, this is why cards fans dont panic. Split on the road sweep at home thats the mind set. Its only one game but I know philly fans are going to panic

    • Chris Fiorentino - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:05 AM

      No panic here, duckie. The Phillies still have Hamels./Oswalt vs Garcia/Scrub. And a split means the Wrath of Doc at CBP in game 5. So no panic here. Looking forward to Big Game Cole Tuesday.

      • thefalcon123 - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:16 AM

        Jackson did have a 3 WAR this year. No, he’s not as good as Hamels, but he’s hardly a scrub.

    • halladaysbiceps - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:05 AM

      Dude, never read you post here throughout the season. Win or lose, I’m here.

  12. halladaysbiceps - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:04 AM

    Cliff Lee sucked in this game. Period. He is the main reason the Phillies lost the game. They spotted him a 4 run lead and he blew it. Lee, you are a horse. Gotta hold it, a-hole.

    • Chris Fiorentino - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:08 AM

      Cliff had some serious bad luck tonight, HB. No need to call him an a-hole. Struck out 9…The phillies still have the major advantage in the rest of the pitching matchups so there’s no need to panic. Hamels/Oswalt vs Garcia and whatever scrub they pitch in game 4 spells split at worst to me. Then it is Doctober time in game 5 at CBP. No worries.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:15 AM

        I never panic. I call it how I see it. Cliff Lee STUNK!!!! Let me clarify. He pitched like an asshole. He left pitched up in the stikezone and the Cardinals made him pay. He is a horse. The responsibility is on him to shut down the Cards after being staked a 4-0 lead. He has no excuse. None.

      • Marty - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:23 AM

        Bad luck? Did you watch the 2010 World Series? My Giants, one of the most anemic offenses in the history of the game took care of this chump like he was tossing slow pitch softballs.

        He’s simply not a good pitcher. (Un)fortunately this year he’s being revealed in an NLDS. Good luck!

      • Marty - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:24 AM

        He’s simply not a good pitcher [in the post season].

        He’s money when the world isn’t watching.

    • Utley's Hair - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:11 AM

      Meals’ strikezone of Jell-O blocks had a big impact on the game.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:12 AM

        Don’t want to hear about Meals’ strikezone. Cliff Lee stunk tonight. He lost the game. Period.

      • Utley's Hair - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:16 AM

        It was a horrible zone all around. Lee just couldn’t compensate for the shift.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:18 AM

        Hair, no excuses tonight. Did Lee stink or did he not? Simple question.

      • Utley's Hair - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:23 AM

        Comparing Lee to himself? Yes, he did. But compensating for a constantly shifting zone is tough for anyone, though he needed to do just that—and wasn’t able to.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:26 AM

        Hair, stikezone shift? Both teams had to deal with Meals’ bad umpiring. You keep on bringing up this strikezone shift nonsense. Cliff Lee elevated a lot of pitches and was hammered to the tune of 4 runs and 12 hits over 6 innings. That’s all you need to know about why the Phillies lost.

      • Utley's Hair - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:37 AM

        Yes—a shifting strikezone. Balls that were called strikes earlier. Strikes that were called balls earlier. The zone was shifting for everyone. Lee wasn’t able to overcome that. He always tries to throw strikes, but that’s not really easy to do when the zone is constantly shifting.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:41 AM

        Hair, I respectfully see where you are coming from, but, like I said, both teams had to deal with Meals’. Adapt and overcome. Lee was unable to do so. He was hit and hit hard he was. Why is it so difficult for you to accept that he sucked tonight? Why the excuses?

      • Utley's Hair - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:45 AM

        If you read your last comment, and reread mine, you’ll see that I am saying the same thing—without saying that Lee sucked. I don’t think he did. I just don’t think he could adjust to the zone.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:50 AM

        Say you’re sorry all you want about Meals’ strikezone and whatever. Lee did suck. You must have watched a different game than I did. Lee was hit around tonight more than Michael Vick is hit for an entire season. The guy was brought in to win close games and he failed.

  13. stlducks - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:07 AM

    i talked to you after last nights game and you were pissed that i wasnt panicing. you said i wasnt a real fan bc i wasnt pissed at the cards

    • halladaysbiceps - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:11 AM

      I never brought up the word panic. Not once. Read through the thread last night. If I were you, I would have shreaded the Cards perfornamce. That’s what I said.

      I will shred the Phillies performance tonight. See how that works.

  14. paperlions - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:09 AM

    While Lee wasn’t great….the Philly offense managed one single after the second inning….and 6 of those innings were against the bullpen.

    • Chris Fiorentino - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:11 AM

      Agreed. St Louis bullpen did its job tonight and kudos to them. It’s now a series. Let’s see if the Cardinals can beat Hamels and Oswalt. If they can, then they deserve to play in the NLCS.

  15. Marty - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:17 AM

    What’s to say? Another post season choke by Cliff Lee.

    • halladaysbiceps - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:21 AM

      Yeah. That’s how I view it. He has to be accountable for this loss. Gave up 12 hits in 6 innings. He blew.

  16. halladaysbiceps - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:34 AM

    Here’s the bottom line that all Phillies fans have to face, including myself, which I have already reconciled with myself. We brought Cliff Lee in to win these types of ballgames and he failed tonight. Why do you bring a guy in for the type of coin the Phillies payed? TO WIN CLOSE GAMES! He failed and should be criticized accordingly. The Phillies offense, defense, nor Charlie Manuel lost the game. Cliff Lee lost the game with his poor pitching performance.

    • aceshigh11 - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:53 AM

      I suppose I’ve got to agree with you.

      Cliff Lee is an AMAZING talent…when he’s on, he’s one of the best, most precise pitchers I’ve ever seen.

      During the playoffs last year, he put on a pitching clinic that was jaw-dropping, but when he got to the biggest stage of all in the World Series, he choked.

      These are the kinds of games Lee was brought in to win. He’s awesome, but yeah, tonight he blew it. I’m sure he’d own up to it, too.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:57 AM


        Thanks. I thought is was pretty simple.

  17. aceshigh11 - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:36 AM

    Well, the Yankees and the Phillies lost. I’m pretty well-satisfied.

    An embittered (is there any other kind?) Red Sox fan. :)

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