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Source close to Theo: It’s “50-50” Epstein would leave the Red Sox

Oct 3, 2011, 12:30 PM EDT

Theo Epstein

Gordon Edes of ESPN Boston reports that Theo Epstein is truly on the fence about leaving Boston, with one source close to Epstein saying that it’s 50-50 Epstein would take another job.

It’s all rather touchy-feely, of course. Epstein may want to go to find a new challenge, but he feels a loyalty to the organization and has a year left on his deal.  Meanwhile, owner John Henry loves Theo and seems to want him to stay but, according to Edes “there also is the sense that the loyalty Epstein feels toward Henry is reciprocal, and that Henry would not stand in the way if Epstein wanted to pursue another opportunity.”

So if he goes, where does he go?  Everyone talks about the Cubs, but the Angels job just opened up too, Edes reminds us.  As for a Theo replacement, Edes’ sources believe strongly that assistant GM Ben Cherington would get the nod.

How does this resolve itself? It seems that a job offer will set things in motion, not a firing of or a resignation by Epstein.  He’ll leave if he can find a job he likes. If not, he’s back.

  1. Clinton Manitoba - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:37 PM

    That’s some nifty reporting Gordo. I have a 50-50 chance of dying tomorrow.
    The sox however have a 100% chance of not winning the 2011 WS.

    • paperlions - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:49 PM

      Do you have duel tomorrow? Otherwise, your chances of dying tomorrow are somewhere south of 0.01%.

    • Bill - Oct 3, 2011 at 1:47 PM

      Probability. Not for the faint of brain.

  2. Louie Schuth - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:43 PM

    If only Pohlad wasn’t loyal to BS Bill Smith.

  3. psousa1 - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:54 PM

    Imagine squandering upwards of $250 million dollars on bad deals? What other profession can you get away with that?

    • heynerdlinger - Oct 3, 2011 at 1:00 PM

      Investment banking?

    • aceshigh11 - Oct 3, 2011 at 1:05 PM

      $250 million is actually chump change when you look at the amount of money that the Wall St. banksters squandered…and WE’RE on the hook for a lot of it.

    • bigleagues - Oct 3, 2011 at 1:19 PM

      $250 Million is also relatively not so bad when you look at the Red Sox total revenues over the last 10 years with The Trio in the captain’s chair and Theo at the helm.

  4. aceshigh11 - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:55 PM

    Now that Francona is gone, it might be a good thing in the long run to blow things up and rebuild from within.

    Epstein has been pretty good, but a lot of the current dysfunction can be put on his shoulders right now.

    • offseasonblues - Oct 3, 2011 at 9:02 PM

      Which is why I think he won’t leave. But I’ve been wrong on occasion …

  5. proudlycanadian - Oct 3, 2011 at 12:58 PM

    If you are thinking of leaving, then is is probably beat that you go. The Red Sox have had a good run, but let someone else rebuild. Start over fresh elsewhere.

  6. pellypell - Oct 3, 2011 at 1:12 PM

    Atta boy, bail at the first sign of trouble. You broke it, you fix it Theo.

    • Bill - Oct 3, 2011 at 1:44 PM

      Said to the general manager who guided the franchise to the only two world series wins it has notched in 93 years. Yeah, broken.

      • pellypell - Oct 3, 2011 at 2:16 PM

        Ah, so are you telling me it’s not broken right now? Really? I appreciate what he did for this team, but I am also not going to live in the past and give him free passes for the rest of his tenure because of what he might have accomplished 4 years ago. This team has serious holes, big holes, porn star sized holes that need fixing.

      • Bill - Oct 3, 2011 at 2:27 PM

        I’m saying that Red Sox fans are massively overestimating Theo’s role in the breaking, and the level of what-have-you-done-for-me-lately ingratitude is just stunning. This guy is one of the best things to happen to this team since World War One, and you all seem ready to run him out of town on a rail.

      • pellypell - Oct 3, 2011 at 2:34 PM

        I do? I am telling him to stick around and fix things:) I am ever so grateful for the teams he put together, but he has also made some mistakes along the way, mistakes I think are fixable(cough Lackey cough).

        Theo, like an NFL QB, is going to get all the praise when we win and all the blame when we loose.

    • bigleagues - Oct 3, 2011 at 2:59 PM

      Actually the first sign of trouble was 2009.

      As time passes it’s becoming far more clear that while John Henry, Tom Werner and Larry Lucchino have done wonderful things for the franchise, they – especially Henry – have become distracted with other business interests.

      Sorry, everyone can be as idealistic as they want about a “tough” manager and a “no-nonsense” GM enforcing common sense rules like ‘no drinking beer in the clubhouse during games’, but when it’s a pair of high-priced bloated baboons in the middle of multi-year contract as your ring leaders – then it requires that ownership lay down the law.

      Sit the baboons down and explain how ownership will do everything in their power to ship them out of town to a floundering franchise – and short of that instruct the manager to let the player hang out to dry in front of the media, by themselves for every poor performance that occurs until they find a place for them or they shape up and start being the professionals that they are paid to be.

      Apparently from what has been reported Henry and Werner have steered clear of doing any of that. That may be the type of management style they prefer – but it’s not necessarily the best for the type of employee they pay top dollar to.

  7. pellypell - Oct 3, 2011 at 2:15 PM

    Ah, so are you telling me it’s not broken right now? Really? I appreciate what he did for this team, but I am also not going to live in the past and give him free passes for the rest of his tenure because of what he might have accomplished 4 years ago. This team has serious holes, big holes, porn star sized holes that need fixing.

  8. gatorays - Oct 3, 2011 at 2:50 PM

    Should be fired just for paying John Lackey. Or maybe could out and make a stupid comment about he raised the price tag of a player just to cover his own ass for not making a play. see brett garnder is just as good as carl crawford comment.

  9. Matt Aromando - Oct 3, 2011 at 3:21 PM

    Seems like Epstein being Scioscia’s GM would be a nicely timed tribute to when Billy Beane went all Moneyball on Art Howe.

  10. tashkalucy - Oct 3, 2011 at 4:10 PM


    Enquiring minds want to know……

    o Will “journalist” Peter Gammons mediate again to help Litle Theo and the meanie owners get along?

    o How will Little Theo do when he can’t win with the 2nd highest payroll in MLB and has to settle for the 8th-10th highest?

    All I know is, once Theo gets with another organization and he has to compete on a more equal financial field, Brian Cashman will be pleading with the Steinbrenners to let him stay.

    • Ari Collins - Oct 3, 2011 at 7:14 PM

      The Cubs have the highest payroll in their division. I think Theo could actually compete better with $20 million less a year but $30 million more than anyone else.

    • bigleagues - Oct 3, 2011 at 11:53 PM

      I know it’s 6 and 1 half dozen of another, but the Phillies have the 2nd highest payroll.

      The Cubs with any competent involved owner (don’t know if that’s what Rickett’s is gonna be) should be in the top 2-5 payroll’s.

    • bigleagues - Oct 4, 2011 at 12:06 AM

      BTW, Theo’s strength has been in acquiring draft picks and Player Development. He might be better off without the pressure of spending to make a splash.

  11. Ari Collins - Oct 3, 2011 at 5:47 PM

    Anyone who thinks the Red Sox need to be rebuilt is delusional. They won 90 games, guys.

  12. bigleagues - Oct 3, 2011 at 7:29 PM

    When all is said and done, I think Theo is staying. But then, last Wednesday night I didn’t think Francona could be “fired” either.

    So this one fact keeps rattling around the open space in my skull . . . Ben Cherington (not Allard Baird) sat in on all of the meetings last Thursday and Friday.

  13. Glenn - Oct 3, 2011 at 11:39 PM

    How many of the bloated free agent signings were because of the owners and not Theo?

    • bigleagues - Oct 5, 2011 at 12:04 PM

      None of us know, that’s for sure. It would be an interesting insight, though.

  14. chrisnbeckett - Oct 5, 2011 at 11:14 AM

    Unfortunately, i can’t think of a better skipper thats in waiting to manage in this fishbowl of boston. Good luck tito you’ve been the best manager in the history of the red sox.

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