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“A lot of people at Yankee Stadium were enraged at A-Rod … those people are idiots”

Oct 7, 2011, 9:40 AM EDT

Alex Rodriguez Reuters

We had a nice little burst of Yankees rage this morning, with writers who blamed everyone (A-Rod) for everything they could think of, never once acknowledging that (a) the Yankees, on the whole, out-pitched and out-hit the Tigers in the series; but (b) sometimes the ball just bounces the wrong way for you and anything can happen in a five game series.

Larry Koestler of The Yankee Analysts, however, supplies us with a healthy dose of sanity this morning, putting the Tigers victory over the Yankees in reasonable perspective. He notes that A-Rod was likely still feeling the effects of his nagging injuries, and notes that the numbers bear that out.  He notes that A-Rod wasn’t the only hitter who stunk up the joint. He also takes the seemingly crazy position that, hey, the Tigers actually won this series, it wasn’t simply a matter of the Yankees losing it.  Credit Max Scherzer and the Tigers’ pen for (mostly) limiting the damage and preventing those big Yankees innings we all assumed would happen last night.

This may be less satisfying for all of you than blaming A-Rod.  It does, however, have the added benefit of being true.

  1. kingkaufman - Oct 7, 2011 at 9:46 AM

    The TIGERS won the series? What or who are these Tigers you’re talking about? Hello, this was a YANKEES series. Jeez. Signed, Yankees Fans

    • shaggylocks - Oct 7, 2011 at 10:12 AM

      King, you writing anywhere these days? Miss you over at Salon.

      • kingkaufman - Oct 8, 2011 at 12:50 AM

        Thank you. Not exactly. I’m working at Bleacher Report, where I write a blog about sportswriting. http://blog.bleacherreport.com

    • pjmarn6 - Oct 7, 2011 at 10:55 AM

      You demand the big bucks, you come through in the big situations. Gonzalez demanded and got $33,000,000 or this year he got $90,000 every time he came to the plate and he stunk! He has a history of freezing and failing in the clutch. What I can’t understand is why baseball rewards old players on the way out who don’t and can’t produce. Age is going to get every single one of them and this is the way it is! You reach your peak and it is down hill. In this game you have to get results, not be a pretty face or have a name.
      I can get you 8% on investment and pay 15% and I have learned that have the files at my fingertips. In sports at 35-40 you are finished and out the door. Why pay millions for something that is not going to produce?
      You take this player Montero. He is probably going to make it big. But it will take at least 5 years for him to get the big bucks. Yet management pays has beens, 10-20-30 million dollars. This system is ridiculous. There should be a base salary with bonuses. Bring up the best and the most capable and keep the old ones that produce. DiMaggio knew he was going and gave way to Mantle. All these ridiculous contracts for players that can’t produce is foolish. Even the one that do make it part way still are not worth this money. Now if Swisher, Gonzalez, Tex and the others had it in the back of their minds, their pay check was based on production, I can guarantee you that the outcome would have been a lot different.
      You all remember Yogi Berra, Billy Martin, Mickey Mantle and Phil Rizzuto. The people who wrote about them all recalled that they played like hell to get into the World Series for the prize money! It was important to them that extra cash. Today its so what? $10 million here, $20 million here, hey these 2-3 weeks, they can go fishing and not worrying about their stock portfolio.

      • catsmeat - Oct 7, 2011 at 11:10 AM

        Gonzalez?

      • chadh88 - Oct 7, 2011 at 11:12 AM

        I’m assuming he meant A-Roid.

        Unless he is talking about Boston, but Adrian Gonzalez only made $6.3M and this is not the thread for that. Probably just another fairweather Yankee fan that is pissed they got invested in this season.

      • marshmallowsnake - Oct 7, 2011 at 11:21 AM

        If you are going to try and seem like you are making an informed point, then you at least need to get the player’s name that you are making the point about correct.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Oct 7, 2011 at 12:40 PM

        He has a history of freezing and failing in the clutch.

        Wrong

        I can get you 8% on investment

        Sure you can Bernie Madoff

        This system is ridiculous. There should be a base salary with bonuses. Bring up the best and the most capable and keep the old ones that produce

        They do, sports is a meritocracy. Those who are around are there for a reason, not your rambling.

        Yogi Berra, Billy Martin, Mickey Mantle and Phil Rizzuto

        One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn’t belong. In this case, it’s actually two. Martin and Rizzuto couldn’t hold Berra and/or Mantle’s jock. And of course they played hard for the postseason, they were getting paid peanuts compared to what they could have made if baseball was a free market.

    • massivedick - Oct 7, 2011 at 4:01 PM

      No Shit. Take this stupid a$$ Yankee discussion OFF national headlines. They got BEAT. Tigers won. I see 8 stories on Yankees and 2 on the Tigers win. Take your freaking bats and balls and go back to NYC and STFU

  2. 3kittymama - Oct 7, 2011 at 9:52 AM

    Couldn’t it just be that the Yankees simply didn’t have what it took to win, and the Tigers did? Oh, sorry, I forgot, we’re talking about the YANKEES (*bowing from the waist*) Give me a break. The Tigers outplayed, out-hearted, and outCLASSED the Yankees at every turn. The Bronx Zoo residents all need to put on their big boy pants and admit out loud that yes, they will lose some games, important games sometimes, probably, and yeah, it really sucks to lose. But the rest of MLB does it. Why can’t they?

    • RickyB - Oct 7, 2011 at 10:01 AM

      The Tigers won the series, but to say the Yankees were outclassed is pure homerism at its best. Both teams played well, the Yankees had numerous opportunities to win game five, swinging through and fouling off some very hittable pitches, but the Tigers’ pitchers got the job done in the end. I don’t buy into one team having more heart than another — heart has nothing to do with. Performance and execution determine the outcome, and the Tigers did just enough to win the series. Plain and simple.

      As we have seen throughout history (and not just baseball history) it is much easier for people to accept defeat if there is one single person to blame (Fred Merkle, Steve Bartman, Bill Buckner) whether it is actually deserved or not, and A-Rod will be that person this year as he has been before. Plenty of “blame” if you will to go around — A-Rod wasn’t the only player to not get a hit when needed with runners on base. I can’t believe someone hasn’t suggested that A-Rod should have manned up and ignored the third-base coach to try and score the first run. Everything else gets dumped on him, why not add that crap too?

    • protectthishouse54 - Oct 7, 2011 at 10:26 AM

      Dude would you just shut up. The Yankees have done plenty of losing over the years to go along with their winning. Every fan knows that. We don’t need your stupid diatribe to inform us. It was a great, entertaining series. Tigers won. Leave it at that.

      • lukeslice - Oct 7, 2011 at 1:02 PM

        He can’t help himself but to troll Yankee fans. Probably a Royals fan. How’s the hitting jacket working out for your boys, sport?

  3. davebrownspiral - Oct 7, 2011 at 9:54 AM

    Yes, A-Rod was awful. But let’s not forget he almost singlehandedly won the 2009 playoffs/World Series for the Yankees. He was awesome in that post season. As a Yankees fan I would like to see guys like Swisher and Teixiera called out on the carpet. Two guys who have never done anything in the post season, and who continued to stink up the joint in this year’s ALDS. Also Sabathia, who before pitching a couple of good games in the 2009 post season, always flopped come playoff time. He reverted to his usual ways in the ALDS. (Plus he looks like he gained about 30 pounds since the start of the season). If he decides to opt out I would let him walk, and go after CJ Wilson.

    • zakharovsa - Oct 7, 2011 at 9:59 AM

      Unless A-Rod goes 400/500/600 in every postseason series, he will never catch a break from the NY press and fans. It’s one of the most embarrassing things about being a Yankee fan.

      Also, if you think letting CC walk improves the Yankee rotation, you are insane.

      • marshmallowsnake - Oct 7, 2011 at 11:24 AM

        But letting him walk DOES improve the rotation…really…so please, do us AL East fans a favor and let him go.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Oct 7, 2011 at 10:02 AM

      Using a really rudimentary set of numbers:

      Pitcher A – 8.2IP – 6ER
      Pitcher B – 9IP – 5ER

      One is being lauded as a possible MVP candidate, the other, some are suggesting, should be run out of town.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Oct 7, 2011 at 11:27 AM

        I do wonder if Sabathia’s conditioning should be part of his next contract. Youth can cover many sins, and a 20-something pitcher can probably carry all that weight without showing ill effects. As Sabathia enters his 30’s I wonder if his usual patterns of starting and ending seasons poorly (by his standards anyway) could be the result of playing himself into shape at the beginning of the season and wearing down a bit at the end. I’m a Yankee fan and I love the big guy, but for the last 2 months his starts have been “gutting though 6 innings to give his team a chance” instead of more ace-like production. Perhaps he should do a bit more than just cutting out Cap’n Crunch.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Oct 7, 2011 at 12:42 PM

        I’m a Yankee fan and I love the big guy, but for the last 2 months his starts have been “gutting though 6 innings to give his team a chance” instead of more ace-like production

        Remember though for a good month+ the Yanks have been using a 6 man rotation, throwing the big man off his game. Then we have the game 1 debacle, where he went 2IP with 4K, then came back on 2 days rest where he was getting squeezed by blue*, and last night wasn’t that bad.

        Remember this is the same guy the Yanks rode like a clydesdale through the ’09 playoffs and he delivered every time.

        *not saying it was a biased strike zone. the zone was giving plenty of room to lefties. unfortunately the yanks have 3 lefties and three switch hitters and the tigers are all righty pitchers.

      • lukeslice - Oct 7, 2011 at 1:06 PM

        Perpetually outraged is 100% right…the whole 6 man rotation thing was understandable (good for the Garcia/Colon/Hughes/Novas of the world), but CC’s game suffered by not getting thrown every 5 days. He is a creature of habit and Girardi got that part of the 6 man staff wrong. Just let the big man go every 5 days like he’s supposed to since EVERYTHING in the Yanks’ rotation revolves around him anyway and alter the other guys around him accordingly.

    • MrWorkrate - Oct 7, 2011 at 10:27 AM

      “Sabathia, who before pitching a couple of good games in the 2009 post season, always flopped come playoff time.”

      Sabathia pitched as many games in the 2009 postseason as he had in his entire postseason career before then. And when you start pulling out sample sizes like that (one of those starts was as a 20-year-old, one was for Milwaukee after the Brewers worked him to death to get into the playoffs), you can hardly justify a pattern of expected performance.

      Jeff Weaver has a 4-4 postseason record with a 3.89 ERA. Surely he’s a better pitcher than Sabathia.

  4. Old Gator - Oct 7, 2011 at 10:00 AM

    Let’s face it – idiot people money spends just like smart people money. That’s why you should let anyone into your store who plans to buy something, regardless of race, color, creed (creed? Has anyone ever stopped to wonder what the hell a “creed” is?), religion, political persuasion (most of the time) or economic standing (some of the time – if they can’t pay, you can persecute them for their race, color, creed, religion or political persuasion without feeling like it’s cost you anything; ergo, in America, the unemployed and indigent who booed A-Roid are bigger idiots than the ticket-buyers who booed A-Roid).

    • snowbirdgothic - Oct 7, 2011 at 10:28 AM

      Creed is, of course, the guy who fought Rocky Balboa in the first couple of movies. Very important to let him shop in your store, at least until he fought Ivan Drago.

    • mattjg - Oct 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM

      Are you kidding? I’d never let Creed into my store. I’ll forego the extra couple bucks to avoid wanting to jab a pencil into my ear the second Scott Stapp opens his stupid mouth.

      • phillyfrank - Oct 7, 2011 at 11:49 AM

  5. sdelmonte - Oct 7, 2011 at 10:02 AM

    Have to say that the best Yankees blogs – TYA and IAATMS, among others – are always good reads even if you are not a fan. In fact, I am rather envious, since I stopped reading nearly all Mets blogs, finding them to be whiny rather than instructive. I have a feeling that were the Yankees to somehow play badly over a full season – hey, it could happen someday, maybe – the quality of these blogs would not waver.

  6. El Bravo - Oct 7, 2011 at 10:05 AM

    But wait, how did ARod do over the course of the series?

    • zakharovsa - Oct 7, 2011 at 10:09 AM

      Not so hot.

  7. cjpguy - Oct 7, 2011 at 10:20 AM

    A number of yankee hitters were “out to lunch”, A-Rod certainly being more focused on chewing whatever he chews rather than getting a clutch hit with the bases loaded. Martin should have be yanked and the rookie catcher given a chance. He came through before.

    The Tigers will be eliminated quickly, just like the Rays!!!

  8. ditmars1929 - Oct 7, 2011 at 10:21 AM

    I’m a huge Yankee fan and my thoughts on this are that the Tigers outplayed the Yankees to win the series. It’s really that simple. If you really must play a blame game, it would be the Yankees failing to score with some many based loaded at bats.

    If I were going to be mad about anything, I’d take it out on the morons who allowed Game 1 to start. Seriously, how hard is it to read a weather map?

    I wish the Tigers the best of luck as they advance.

    • 3kittymama - Oct 7, 2011 at 10:55 AM

      ditmars1929, I am really impressed with your post. You show the class and dignity that 99.9% of your fellow Yankee fans have no clue how to show. Somebody has to win, which means the other team will lose, and it shows what a clear-thinking good sport you are that you would wish the Tigers luck against the Rangers. Well done!

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Oct 7, 2011 at 12:44 PM

        You show the class and dignity that 99.9% of your fellow Yankee fans have no clue how to show

        Pot meet kettle.

    • henryd3rd - Oct 7, 2011 at 4:14 PM

      Classy, very classy. Too bad there are so few of you out there.

      Blaming A-Rod for all the Yankee ills is like blaming Francona for all the Bosox ills. It is still a team game and A-Rod is just one member of the team. And I might add Tex, Jeter, Swisher and Girardi escape scorn; but last time I looked none of them didn’t execute in the clutch.

      Now I can get on with watching the Giants and Knicks. Opps! No settlement yet? Damn! Okay Let Go Giants!

  9. nedstevens - Oct 7, 2011 at 10:40 AM

    big contracts come with big expectations. A-Rod did great in the 2009 playoffs? Big deal, he’s expected to perform at that level, especially when it’s the playoffs. They weren’t outplayed, they just proved how over paid most of them are.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Oct 7, 2011 at 12:48 PM

      Big deal, he’s expected to perform at that level, especially when it’s the playoffs

      Pick which one is Arod:

      A – .307/.374/.465
      B – .278/.358/.527
      C – .277/.386/.498

      One is Mr. October, one is “Captain Clutch” and the other is Choke-Rod. Without going to bref.com, can you tell me which is which?

    • dannie0107 - Oct 7, 2011 at 2:34 PM

      The money arguement is so old … please name me one professional baseball player (or any professional athlete for that matter) who is not overpaid, after signing his first contract?

      Regarding baseball, and you’ll correct me if I’m wrong, don’t “big expectations” come with every MLB player’s contract? Or do medium expectations come with a medium contract and small expectations come with a small contract – and we’ll forgive those “poor” guys/teams for losing most of the time and never making the playoffs.

      In the interests of full disclosure, I have been a Yankee fan since 1964 (born 1955) and through the years, it gives me great pleasure to say, I’ve seen the Yankees win 7 championships (’77, ’78, ’96, ’98, ’99, ’00, ’09.) I was at last night’s game and the Yanks were overplayed and the Tigers won the ALDS. I’m already looking forward to next Sunday’s Giants game and, after the Super Bowl, counting down the days to Spring Training.

  10. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Oct 7, 2011 at 11:35 AM

    Folks, we are talking about a difference of LITERALLY one swing of the bat making this a different series. After the Yankees earned the best record in the AL over the course of 162 games and THEN outscored and outpitched their playoff opponent, I am not ready to declare them ‘bad at baseball’ because they fell ONE HIT short of advancing to the next round. From a group of people who like to claim a sabermetric perspective, it seems like the judgments in the comments here based on the smallest of sample sizes are somewhat unwarranted.

    I will say this: it seemed like the Yankee pitching was so worried about gameplanning for Miggy and VMart that they forgot to look at even the most basic info on the lesser hitters. My wife, who likes baseball but by no means studies it, asked me yesterday, “If the announcers know that you can’t throw that guy (Delmon Effing Young) a first pitch fastball, why don’t the Yankee pitchers know that?” Me: “I don’t know baby, I don’t know.”

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Oct 7, 2011 at 12:53 PM

      If the announcers know that you can’t throw that guy (Delmon Effing Young) a first pitch fastball, why don’t the Yankee pitchers know that?

      Mostly it’s confirmation bias. While I can’t find stats for the fastball portion, I assume most players hit well on the first pitch if they put it in play, it’s why they swing at it. For instance, Derek Jeter has a 130 tOPS+, Alex Rodriguez has 126 tOPS+ and Delmon Young has a 135 tOPS+ (tOPS+ is OPS+ relative to the person’s career split).

      The difference between Arod/DJ and Young is the former know when not to swing at a bad first pitch, the latter less so.

  11. yankeesfanlen - Oct 7, 2011 at 11:44 AM

    STILL Leave ARod Alone!
    Since the Tigers are my second favorite team I have a horse in the next race.

  12. materialman80 - Oct 7, 2011 at 4:05 PM

    There is no joy in Mudville, mighty Stray-Rod has struck out.

  13. luckylosers - Oct 7, 2011 at 4:13 PM

    I feel sad for Fox (and those cable stations) now that the Yankees have lost. Now nobody will be watching the world series. I sure wish the Yankees and MLB could find a way to put them in the series every year. Nothing else is worth talking about except the misery that we all feel today due to this loss. — “nothing is more discouraging than unappreciated sarcasm”.

    • henryd3rd - Oct 7, 2011 at 4:27 PM

      Wrong! I am a Yankee fan and I’ll be watching the baseball. Just because the Yankees have been eliminated doesn’t mean that I stop watching baseball. There some interesting story lines out there and the fact that the Yankees have been eliminated doesn’t mean those games will not be interesting. We’ve got Fielder, Pulos, Braun, Upton and many other fine players to watch in these playoff.

      I love the game and will continue to watch or at the very least set my DVR to record some games for future viewing.

  14. tony5158 - Oct 7, 2011 at 4:18 PM

    I’ve got A-Frauds cure for October. Trade him to Baltimore for pitching prospects, He’ll never see baseball in October again, and he can pad his numbers between April and September.

    • lukeslice - Oct 7, 2011 at 4:27 PM

      Baltimore doesn’t have any pitching prospects.

      • jaytee060 - Oct 7, 2011 at 8:59 PM

        The man who wrote this article is the real idiot. Hearline reads “Yankees out hit and out pitch the Tigers.” Well ….Dimbass, if they did that then they would have won you schmuck.

  15. daviddmsvcp - Oct 7, 2011 at 10:50 PM

    The Yankees would be better off without A-Rod. I want the Yanks to win and A-Rod is not a winner. He is not even a particularly good baseball player, anymore.

    Why was he still hitting 4th? Shouldn’t someone hitting that badly be later in the order? Is the manager intimidated to move him?

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