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Photo of the Day: The Philadelphia Daily News

Oct 10, 2011, 12:23 PM EDT

I’ll give Philly, its fans and its media this much: for as insufferable as they can be when they’re cruising, they offset it rather appropriately with anger, recriminations and negativity when things go poorly.

You won’t hear a lot of “we got robbed” from those guys.  You won’t hear a lot of “oh well, see you next season.”  Things are either awesome or terrible, and it’s because the players are either invincible or dog crap.  Not a lot of in between, and there’s something kind of neat about that, even if it’s a temperament most of the rest of us can’t understand.

Anyway, it leads to stuff like this column in which Dan McQuade lists a bunch of potential “solutions” he’s heard from half-crazed Phillies fans since Friday night. It also leads to this cover of this morning’s Philadelphia Daily News:


At some point over the summer I started to imagine the kind of needling stuff I’d write if and when the Phillies failed to meet expectations.  Turns out I don’t really have to. You don’t needle a guy when he’s busy trying to shove a sword in his own gut.

  1. randall351 - Oct 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM

    All of the complaining about 5 game series not being long enough to determine a true champion sound like “we got robbed” to me. The MLB is robbing them of a W.S. because the playoff series aren’t long enough.

    • bobdira - Oct 10, 2011 at 12:30 PM

      I guess we should just keep playing until they win.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Oct 10, 2011 at 12:33 PM

      That isn’t whining about being robbed, it is an opinion I had before the series started and have had for quite some time. Like I’ve said, 7 games isn’t enough either. But whatever, take whatever was said and mold it into your preconeived perceptions.

    • kellyb9 - Oct 10, 2011 at 12:53 PM

      The divisional series is what it is, the Cards were the better team this week… thats all that matters. Hell, you only have one game in football. We had 5 and couldnt get it done.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Oct 10, 2011 at 12:59 PM

        Oh, I agree it is what it is. I’ve always thought they should be longer. Actually, one game in football on a percentage basis is significantly higher are more representative of the larger whole than baseball. Again, this opinion has nothing to do with the Phillies or their loss. It is my opinion overall and has been for even before the Phillies became relevant.

    • kopy - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:12 PM

      It’s too bad Charlie Manuel forgot to yell, “Okay, best out of 7!” immediately upon completion of game 5.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:15 PM


    • Old Gator - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:25 PM

      Nobody has mentioned the coronary artery and brain capillary clogging properties of horrible horsemeat and Velveeta™ sandwiches as a contributing factor in the Feelies’…um…elimination. Incredible. I feel like Cassandra after sex change surgery. Must I continue to be a culinary prophet without honor in a savage land?

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:41 PM

        Old Gator, lay off the whippets. Your posts are beginning to make less and less sense. I need a translator at this point to understand you.

      • kopy - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:47 PM

        I enjoy OG’s posts, both of threads past and present, but I have to give the Bicepts a thumbs up because I can’t not thumbs up a post that makes me laugh.

      • Old Gator - Oct 10, 2011 at 2:18 PM

        Hal: you’re wasting money on expensive translators. You can buy a used Merriam Webster’s Dictionary and a Roget’s Thesaurus, both in excellent condition, on for less than a fifteenth of the price of the two-hour minimum you have to pay that clown.

      • bigharold - Oct 10, 2011 at 6:58 PM

        “Must I continue to be a culinary prophet without honor in a savage land?”

        In a word, .. yes. Cause most of us like “.. the coronary artery and brain capillary clogging properties of horrible horsemeat and Velveeta” and the like, I know I do! We didn’t claw our way to the top of the food change to eat like a rabbit!

        Now if you’ll excuse me, .. I’m on my way to my cardiologist.

    • halladaysbicep - Oct 10, 2011 at 2:14 PM


    • xmatt0926x - Oct 10, 2011 at 4:14 PM

      Was that Phillies fans who brought that up or was it actually one of the HBT writers? some fans may have agreed with him, but he made that claim right after the game. It may have been DJ Short, but I don’t remember for sure. Craig has also several times made the point that it’s a tossup, especially in a short 5 game series. I don’t believe it’s a valid excuse at all. The Phillies bats aren’t up to snuff in a short series. At the same time, don’t act like it was just a bunch of fans who had that opinion.

  2. halladaysbiceps - Oct 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM

    It was the worse weekend ever for me and all my Philly brethren. The Phillies lost a series they should have won, my star 1st baseman is out until the middle of next year at the earliest, and my football team stinks and is lead by a quarterback that is overrated and sucks and a head coach that should be fired and is a fat slob. That sums it up.

    • b7p19 - Oct 10, 2011 at 12:35 PM

      You just praised John Kruk for being a fat slob, but Andy Reid should be fired because he’s fat? He doesn’t even get paid to be an athlete. Do you enjoy being a stereotype?

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 10, 2011 at 12:37 PM

        John Kruk was a fat slob that could flat out hit. Period. Andy Reid sucks as a head football coach and is also fat. So, no comparison.

    • randall351 - Oct 10, 2011 at 12:44 PM

      Getting to 4 league championship games is more than the Phillies have done lately. Perhaps Charlie Manuel should be fired as well, based on your logic. Andy Reid has had more playoff success than Manuel.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 10, 2011 at 12:51 PM

        Don’t even try to compare a football coach to a baseball manager. You can’t make that comparison. A football coach has far more input into his team than a baseball manager could ever have. Another piss poor comparison.

        That being said, Manuel has one 5 straight NL East titles, been to 2 World Series and won 1. If you are trying to compare success, Manuel easily takes over Reid in that category.

      • phillyphreak - Oct 10, 2011 at 12:55 PM

        Yep, there’s bicepts to tell you how wrong your opinions are.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:04 PM


        I was disagreeing with him. That by definition is telling someone that their opinion is wrong. You continue to troll me. And badly.

      • phillyphreak - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:06 PM

        Well since it’s a piss poor comparison, then I guess you were right originally. You even told him not to even try to compare the two, bc, you already knew you can’t do it.

      • randall351 - Oct 10, 2011 at 2:07 PM

        The only way I was comparing the 2 is based on postseason success, I didn’t say anything about football or baseball being harder/easier to win.
        Andy Reid has taken the Eagles to 5 Conference championships, not 4 like I thought earlier, granted he’s only won 1 of them, and then lost in the Super Bowl, but there aren’t very many coaches who can say that.
        To say that he’s a fat slob and needs to be fired is extremely shortsighted. Which would be the same has saying to get rid of Manuel if they don’t make the playoffs next year, or whenever it is the first year he doesn’t make the postseason. Which to me is being a fair weather fan.

      • lukeslice - Oct 10, 2011 at 2:54 PM

        hahhaha…even Philly fans hate biceps

        speaking of which, you know a pitcher’s power comes very little from his biceps and actually more from the legs then shoulders/forearms right? halladay’s biceps don’t even do much of the work, which i guess fits cuz you’re so terrible at commenting on these threads. remind us again why the regular season and playoffs were just a formality for the phils again?

        4 thumbs down!

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 10, 2011 at 2:59 PM


        Whatever that handle means, I have no idea. Let me just say that you sound like a punk. My comments offer far more incite than your dribble. You sound like a little whiner. My bicepts are greater than you, little fellow.

      • lukeslice - Oct 10, 2011 at 4:24 PM

        My handle is just my name plus slice. It’s really not that complex, but I’m not surprised it was difficult for you to grasp judging by your comments as of late.

        Otherwise I ain’t here to impress ya, Superman, but I have serious doubts about your pythons judging by the fact that you spend 95% of your hours awake commenting on HBT’s message boards.

        This goes out to all my freaks…I’m your hook-up…holla if ya hear me! Biceps my balls.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 10, 2011 at 5:00 PM


        You are a friggin loser. 95% of my time commenting on these boards? It’s called multitasking, prick. I type and make money faster than you can fathom. Give me a break. Is that the best you got?

      • dasher521 - Oct 10, 2011 at 8:28 PM

        Charlie has a World Series Championship ring. Andy doesn’t have a Super Bowl ring. And, the Eagles do not have a Lombardi Trophy – ever. I’m just sayin’ . . .

      • lukeslice - Oct 11, 2011 at 8:44 AM

        awwwwwwwwww sadface biceps…poor guy. i’m glad you’re making lots of money because money buys happiness, just ask phillies and yankees fans!

    • yankeesgameday - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:04 PM

      Your football team is also led by a man who murdered a bunch of innocent dogs for his own amusement. And yeah, I’m one of those people who wont forget it, won’t let it go, and dont give a crap about he “paid his debt to society” or is “publicizing the prevention of dog fighting” because those are just excuses eagle apologists use to make themselves feel better about cheering for a plain terrible human being.

      He could go stock shelves at Wal Mart if he needed a job but eagle and (and I guess phillie) fans just turn a blind eye because he’s a good football player.

      The eagles, and his fans can all go frak themselves.

      /rant off.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:06 PM

        Frak ourselves? Lay of the Battlestar Galactica for a while. You make no fraking sense.

      • Old Gator - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:18 PM

        yankeesgameday: you do give your dogs Michael Vick chew toys, don’t you? My dogs all have Michael Vick chew toys. They love them. Here, go get some for the dog(s) in your life:

      • yankeesgameday - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:54 PM

        That’s awesome, gator. Never saw those.

      • marshmallowsnake - Oct 10, 2011 at 2:00 PM

        My whole problem with the Mike Vick story is this…if you or I did what he did, we would have a problem finding that job at Walmart, never mind signing a $100 Million deal…

    • dailyrev - Oct 10, 2011 at 2:29 PM

      I think they made a terrible mistake in deactivating Kafka. I mean, what can you talk about with a name like Vick — nasal decongestant? But with Kafka you have an embarrassment of riches (“his quarterbacking reflects the existential dilemma of Metamorphosis and The Trial; the de-individuation of Man in the pocket of the collective and its institutions; the transmutation of being and its potential into the monstrous vermin of a marginalized and neglected loner of the sidelines of Society…”)

      • Old Gator - Oct 10, 2011 at 3:17 PM

        …and you have a grand metaphor for the hatchet job the spawrts press does on you in “In the Penal Colony.” And you have a grand metaphor for the dilemmas facing a health-conscious, nutritionally aware Feelies fan at Citizens Bank Stadium in “A Hunger Artist.”

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 10, 2011 at 3:26 PM

        Old Gator,

        I have to take you to task on this infatuation you have with belittling the city of Philadelphia and it’s fans. I thought it was initially funny in the beginning, but now I have grown to weary toward your cryptic crap. What’s your problem? You keep up bringing the “Philly Cheese Steak” and nutrition into the conversation. What’s up with that? Do us Phillies fans a favor. Worry about your pitiful Marlins. They suck and will continue to suck under the guise of Ozzie Guillen. I hope you guys pick up Zambrano. I want to see your team implode.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 10, 2011 at 3:31 PM

        Old Gator,

        Here’s another observation. Write your comments like a normal English speaking person would do. You sound like a worn out English teacher that has been smoking pot between classes that you are proctoring. My god, you sound like that guy Los Gigantos.

      • Gamera the Brave - Oct 10, 2011 at 4:23 PM

        ‘cepts, I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
        However, since what you are saying is astonishingly mean-spirited, I will defend your right to say it to the death of someone imaginary and unpleasant.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 10, 2011 at 4:29 PM

        Gamera the Brave,

        Unpleasant and mean spirited toward Old Gator? Old Gator has throughout the season made fun of the city of Philadelphia with his horsemeat and velvetta comments. And he was rebuked by me, accordingly.

        I have NEVER chastised Old Gator. EVER. Even ask him. But, I’m sick and tired of his baseless shit towards the city of Philadelphia. I took him to task.

        Now, what else do you have.

  3. poreef - Oct 10, 2011 at 12:40 PM

    I’m a Bills and Mets fan, so it was pretty good schadenfreude weekend for me.

    That said, I judge the fans of other NFL cities on two qualities – how fat they are and whether they’d rather be watching the SEC. You CANNOT judge the Walrus on this metric.

    Oh – and the Eagles are one of the best-run franchises in football. I’m guessing they’ll be 5 or 6 seed in the end, kinda like the Packers last year. Mark Rypien had one magical year and won a Super Bowl. These things are kinda random. Continued success like the Eagles is not.

  4. scatterbrian - Oct 10, 2011 at 12:45 PM

    Things are either awesome or terrible, and it’s because the players are either invincible or dog crap.

    Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

    • phukyouk - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:18 PM

      pure gold!

  5. cleverbob - Oct 10, 2011 at 12:48 PM

    You can’t truly appreciate the highs without weathering the lows.

  6. schmedley69 - Oct 10, 2011 at 12:49 PM

    Plus, it’s hard to needle others when your own team was a complete bust.

    I live in the Baltimore area and have been getting a lot of crap from the locals. It’s laughable when an Orioles fan tells you that it must suck to be a Philly fan. The loss hurts for sure, but the Phillies are in much better shape as a franchise then they have ever been in my lifetime. I have lived through the 100 loss seasons when there was no hope on the horizon. Losing in the playoffs beats the hell out of having an Orioles-esque, last place kind of season. Let’s be realistic, winning the World Series every year is not going to happen. I will settle for being competitive year after year, making the playoffs more often than not, and maybe winning a World Series once in a blue moon. If it sucks to be a Phillies fan, then there are about 27 teams in which it must suck more to be a fan of. The Eagles on the other hand? Yes, it does suck to be an Eagles fan. Haven’t seen a championship in my lifetime, and probably never will.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:00 PM

      Keap the faith Schmedley….they still have Andy Reid…oh wait…well, Juan err…nevermind.

    • trigzter - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:24 PM

      basically. philly fans get pretty dissapointed year after year when no one wins anything. The Eagles have been one of the best NFL teams the last decade, but can’t win in the playoffs. The Phils look to duplicate that record as best they can, but we were fortunate enough to cash in early…they are also a very old team and are only getting older. Flyers? Guess what? Same damn thing. They are in the playoffs virtually every year yet no SC since 75. Winning in the regular season but consistently losing in the playoffs get pretty aggravating when you see it every year from most of your teams.

    • dasher521 - Oct 10, 2011 at 2:15 PM

      When the Baltimore fans give you crap, just ask, who does a dog pile on the mound for winning game 162?

    • indaburg - Oct 10, 2011 at 4:35 PM

      schmedley69, the Orioles fans are needling Phillies fan because the Orioles never had any hope to lose from the start. Is it worse to have your hopes crushed, or never to have hope at all?

      • schmedley69 - Oct 10, 2011 at 7:21 PM

        It is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all. It is much better to be a Phillies fan than an Orioles fan right now.

  7. kellyb9 - Oct 10, 2011 at 12:51 PM

    well… at least the Flyers won.. right?

    • halladaysbiceps - Oct 10, 2011 at 12:54 PM

      Always the eternal optimist, Kelly. Yes, very true.

      • kellyb9 - Oct 10, 2011 at 2:45 PM

        Haha… well i’m excited at least. I love Hockey.

  8. jaypot23 - Oct 10, 2011 at 12:55 PM

    Best. Headline. Ever.

  9. Francisco (FC) - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:09 PM

    OMG! I love Philly but the media in that town is Nuts, as in almonds, peanuts, walnuts, acorns, you name it. Disappointing yes, worst ever? Would you rather be an Orioles fan? Kansas City? How about Pittsburgh Pirates?

    I’ll still prefer to watch great seasons of baseball and a legitimate shot at post-season greatness every year even if it doesn’t materialize. I mean this whole World Series or bust is a mentality the Yankees and the NY media have. It’s sad to see Philly to sink to that level.

    • halladaysbiceps - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:14 PM

      When you have a 175 million dollar payroll and 4 stud pitchers, it better be World Series or bust. I’d rather have that mentality than what I see in other cities.

    • phukyouk - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:21 PM

      well in their defense they said it was the worst WEEKEND ever not the worst season ever…..

    • trigzter - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:26 PM

      What? Philly sees this with 3 of their teams every year? At what point would it not get annoying?

  10. phightinsphan - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:17 PM

    Craig must mean schmuck in another language. I can walk to the stadiums in a few minutes. I have been. able to the majority of my life and I both feel the pain of this last weekend and also understand that we are in a much better situation than we have ever been sports wise in this city. We have two teams that are championship caliber teams, another that given they remove the Reid regime this year has the building blocks to be another championship caliber team, and a young sixers team that has been getting better and has a world class coach. Stop complaining and enjoy being relevant in most sports. I remember way too many years where we just flat out sucked, kinda like we were Cleveland or something.

    • phukyouk - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:23 PM

      I googled it and did not find any language in which Craig means schmuck. seems as though you are wrong

  11. flavius217 - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:18 PM

    I guess Jeff Albertson sold The Android’s Dungeon. Who knew he was a sports fan?

  12. drmonkeyarmy - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:36 PM

    If anybody is having problems viewing this site in google chrome, I figured out how to fix the issue…at least the issue I was having. I found the default folder and renamed it back-up default. I had to reprogram my settings and such, but this site is now working very well. I am posting a link where I got the information from.

    • halladaysbiceps - Oct 10, 2011 at 1:59 PM

      Doctor, I have a problem viewing this site as a Phillies fan, let alone factoring in Google Chrome :)

      • marshmallowsnake - Oct 10, 2011 at 2:08 PM

        Please reset your baseball allegiance to default status. This will fix the issue and then you can start to rebuild your allegiance.

  13. dasher521 - Oct 10, 2011 at 2:13 PM

    When you have a starting rotation of Halliday, Lee, Hamels and Oswalt that should be more than enough for a five game series. This is from a long time Phillies fan. 127 days till catchers and pitchers report. Go to PFT site for Fatigueagles talk. There are only two sports seasons – baseball season and the off season.

    • halladaysbiceps - Oct 10, 2011 at 2:27 PM

      I refuse to go to PFT. Mike Florio is a blowhard and so is his followers.

      Only reason I brought up the stinkin’ Eagles was because of the photo on this thread. Otherwise, I only talk baseball here.

      You are correct. There is only baseball and the off-season. Baseball is the greatest sport that man ever invented.

  14. halladaysbiceps - Oct 10, 2011 at 2:36 PM

    All these thumbs down for the bicepts? You guys just swim in my wake.

    • marshmallowsnake - Oct 10, 2011 at 4:01 PM

      Force of habit. Sorry.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 10, 2011 at 4:06 PM


  15. Ihatecraigcalcaterra - Oct 10, 2011 at 5:55 PM

    Craig is a hater on Philly teams and hes a loser just like his braves

  16. Jonny 5 - Oct 10, 2011 at 8:03 PM

    Ahhh, hello all. Dont worry your little hearts. The phillies will win it all next season.

    As for this season. It sucks to have to watch these inferior baseball teams wind my season of baseball down for me. One good part (the only good part) about it is I can now watch playoff baseball without going insane with stress. If you love your Philly teams this last week sucked a$$. It is what it is.

    • Chris Fiorentino - Oct 10, 2011 at 11:19 PM

      Are you seriously watching that dreck? I see the updates come up during all the football action and I wonder just how the hell Doc, Lee and Hamels are home while scrubs like Greinke, marcum, etc are still toeing the rubber. I won’t see another pitch live. I’m a Phillies fan not a baseball fan. Football? I’m watching Bears-Lions right now and I don’t even care who wins. It’s just a far superior sport.

      And it was Matthew who wrote the 5 games are too short article. It was dumb because the Phillies wouldn’t have won a 7 game series unless you think lightening was going to strike twice and Ben Francisco was going to hit another pinch hit 3 run homer? Lol. I wouldn’t have been holding my breath.

  17. Jonny 5 - Oct 10, 2011 at 8:07 PM

    Ahhh, hello all. Dont worry your little hearts. The phillies will win it all next season.

    As for this season. It sucks to have to watch these inferior baseball teams wind my season of baseball down for me. One good part (the only good part) about it is I can now watch playoff baseball without going insane with stress. If you love your Philly teams this last week sucked a$$. It is what it is.

  18. dcowboyfan - Oct 11, 2011 at 12:39 PM

    I just honestly think all Phila fans period should go to Hell……!!!!!

    • cleverbob - Oct 11, 2011 at 2:22 PM

      That’s awful kind of you to invite us all down to Dallas, but we wouldn’t want to impose.

  19. dcowboyfan - Oct 11, 2011 at 4:10 PM

    To cleverbob, i unfortunately live on the suburbs of Philadelphia. All these loser fans do around here is cry and whine when the annointed ones dont win !!!
    To use the excuse that the baseball series should be seven games ?? Are you effin serious ???
    And to the Eagles fans, they were all on their knees when the season started about Andy Reid, Vick and all the other highly overpaid tools….How does 1-4 taste these days ??
    All phila fans do is talk alot of SHAT and go and hide when their teams fade !!!
    Funny i dont see any Eagles jerseys being worn around here, or Phillies for that matter. Talk about bandwagon fans !!!!
    Face facts, your teams arent as good as you all thought !!!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE !!!!!!

    • cleverbob - Oct 11, 2011 at 8:09 PM

      Unfortunately the Phillies jerseys are packed away until spring, but look around on Sunday and you’ll probably see plenty of Eagles jerseys. You live in the Philly metro area, cheer for the Cowboys, and think you’re in any position to lecture us about jumping on any bandwagon…

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