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Acrimony! A family seating dispute erupts between the Cards and Brewers

Oct 13, 2011, 9:40 AM EDT

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There is a good bit of acrimony between the Cardinals and the Brewers. Brewers fans think Albert Pujols and that whole operation in St. Louis is lousy, two-faced and low-rent (adjectives which actually filled my inbox from Brewers fans in recent weeks).  The Cardinals think much the same about the Brewers. Or at least Nyjer Morgan. And you know that La Russa doesn’t do much to diminish any “us-against-the-world” feelings that simmer in the minds of his players.

It appeared yesterday that a new front had opened in that little war, with the Brewers accusing the Cardinals of jerking around their family and friends with respect to seating in Busch Stadium.  It seems the Phillies families had all been located behind home plate in the NLDS, but the Brewers families were seated in multiple places around the park, causing some degree of consternation among the Brewers.

As of last night everyone in an official capacity was claiming that it was all a misunderstanding.  The Cardinals explained that the Brewers families were in multiple suites, which was exactly what had been done for the Dodgers in the 2009 playoffs and the Padres and Tigers in 2006. Brewers traveling secretary Dan Larrea said “[t]here was some concern initially among the players about the situation, but it worked out.”

I suppose there will still be some beefing about this from Brewers fans who I have learned in recent weeks are really awesome at holding grudges. In this case, however, a grudge seems inappropriate. And really, given Mark Kotsay in center field, it was not even the most significant instance of someone connected to the Brewers being in a poor location yesterday.

  1. kappy32 - Oct 13, 2011 at 9:51 AM

    I’m glad you mentioned Kotsay in CF last night. That made no sense whatsoever. They had their ace going last night against the Cards’ ace & it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that it was going to be a low scoring game. In such a matchup, defense is exponentially important. This wasn’t some mid-July matchup; it’s a swing-game in the NLCS. The Brewers had two far superior defensive CFs not playing the position last night in Gomez & Morgan. The way Fielder & Braun have been raking, you can sacrifice the bat for the defense. Although he hit a HR, Kotsay’s fielding blunders are what caused the Crew the game. If they lose in 6 or 7, the decision to start Kotsay may go down as a huge coaching blunder. In my opinion, that was Roenicke attempting to out-manage the legend & he may have allowed his ego & the rivalry to cloud his judgment. Rangers-Cards it shall be.

    • thefalcon123 - Oct 13, 2011 at 10:03 AM

      I think all managers should be directed to this page:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size_determination

      It’ll take 5 minutes to read and your team will be better off for it. Hell, just make them read this line: “A choice of small sample sizes, though sometimes necessary, can result in wide confidence intervals or risks of errors in statistical hypothesis testing.”

      Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to prepare to watch Allen Craig start in right tonight because Berkman is 3 for 32 against Randy Wolfe.

      • paperlions - Oct 13, 2011 at 11:03 AM

        The way Holliday looked last night….I’m hoping for Craig in LF.

    • twd1165 - Oct 13, 2011 at 12:06 PM

      “Roenicke attempting to out-manage the legend”

      Oh, please…LaRussa is a legend in his own mind. He employs bush-league tactics that grate against baseball’s unwritten rules…his classic is calling timeout for a pinch-runner as the pitcher is on the mound and ready to toe the rubber. Or classlessly criticizing the umpires’ strike zone on live TV because he’s PO’d that he didn’t like their calls. Boo-hoo! Get over it..the calls were bad for both teams. LaRussa might be a smart guy but he’s no legend.

      • thefalcon123 - Oct 13, 2011 at 1:52 PM

        In 16 seasons LaRussa has been manager of the Cards, I’ve never once seen him call a timeout just before a pitch to put in a pinch runner. Ever. And I’ve seen him criticize the umps strike zone on live TV exactly once…which was last week.

        Their are plenty of good reasons to criticize LaRussa (*cough* Aaron Miles *cough*), but you somehow managed to miss all of them.

  2. cintiphil - Oct 13, 2011 at 10:27 AM

    This matter best describes the words petty and sour grapes. I thought the Brewer fans were better than this. If the Brewers win, then all of this will be forgotten.

    • bravesman1983 - Oct 13, 2011 at 10:37 AM

      I think the “petty and sour grapes” argument could easily be turned around on the Cardinals organization, assuming they really have decided to treat the Brewers’ families differently than the Phillies’ families.

      • paperlions - Oct 13, 2011 at 11:05 AM

        The suites they were put in have indoor and outdoor seating and security at the door to enter each suite…none of them are general access….plus, you have much better/quicker access to food and beer. Some people might appreciate a place to get out of the rain instead of being in the open right behind the plate.

      • xmatt0926x - Oct 13, 2011 at 1:37 PM

        Have to agree with Paperlions. I linked to the article and the Brewers rep also mentioned that overall, it was likely a better situation for the Brewers families to be in suites than have to go through the crowd to sit behind the plate, etc. So the question now becomes why did they screw the Phillies families????? LARUSSA!!!!!!! YOU EVIL BASTARD!!!!!!

  3. woody1351 - Oct 13, 2011 at 11:07 AM

    during the 06 playoffs, i sat in the box next to the mets and tigers families in the next box over they had 2 or 3 suites in a row that had doors so you could walk though to all of them. the mets friends and families were the rudest people ive ever been near at a baseball game.

    • Alex K - Oct 13, 2011 at 11:13 AM

      Then you’ve never been to a game at Citi Field.

      • thefalcon123 - Oct 13, 2011 at 1:59 PM

        Living in New York, I go to about a half dozen or so games at Citi Fielder and 2 or 3 a year in Philly. And I have to tell ya, Mets fans are much worse than Phillies fans.

        My Favorite Citi Field Memory:

        2007: Cardinals V. Mets. 1st Inning. September Makeup Game during their legendary collapse. Martinez gives up a 1st inning RBI single to Skip Schumaker to make the score 1-0. A reasonable looking, well dressed, non-crazy appearing man sitting in a fairly expensive seat right next to me stands up and *screams* “FUCK YOU MARTINEZ YOU SON OF A BITCH. I”LL KILL YOU! I’LL FUCKING KILL YOUUUUUUU!!!”.

        Now *that’s* Citi Field.

        Coming in 2nd would be seeing a a small Citi Field crowd stand up around and loudly boo a 12-year-old girl who was cheering for Yadier Molina.

        Stay classy Flushing.

      • cintiphil - Oct 13, 2011 at 4:49 PM

        Oh yes, I have to agree that Phillie fans are bad, but still a close second to Mets fans. They will kill you if given a chance. In fact, if you wear a Yankee hat, they will try to get to you too. We found that out the hard way. There must be some way to hold these nuts down, or get them out of the park.

  4. foreverchipper10 - Oct 13, 2011 at 2:01 PM

    Nice jab at Kotsay at the end there. Ha!

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