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Sox source: Jon Lester’s comments today “only told part of the story”

Oct 17, 2011, 5:30 PM EDT

Boston Red Sox Jon Lester reacts at end of second inning after he gave up six runs to New York Yankees in their MLB game in New York

Earlier today self-proclaimed “grown-ass man” Jon Lester spoke with the Globe’s Pete Abraham about L’affaire Fried Chicken and the ouster of Terry Francona.  For the most part Lester has been given props for being frank and open and, well, grown-ass about it.  But two sources tell Mike Giardi of that Lester’s downplaying of it all is disingenuous:

However, two sources I spoke to — one inside the clubhouse and one in management — said Lester’s comments only told part of the story. Their feeling is that the behavior of Lester, Josh Beckett, John Lackey and, on occasion, Clay Buchholz was irresponsible, occasionally reckless, and disrespectful to manager Terry Francona … “It was the guys who should know better, the guys who have been here and often benefited from Tito’s softer hand. I mean, how many times [did] Tito defend you to the press or stick by you, and this is how [you] repay him? It’s bull—-“

Well, glad to see that clubhouse strife is all straightened out. Nope, the new Sox manager isn’t gonna have any problems on his hands when he gets to Ft. Myers next February. No siree.

  1. baseballisboring - Oct 17, 2011 at 5:40 PM

    Eh…I guess the real truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I’m a Sox fan and this drama bores me. Let’s just uhhh, play better baseball next year. Sound good?

    • ditto65 - Oct 17, 2011 at 5:59 PM

      Let this and the Theo negotiations drag on til April. It’s about time the Red Sox return to Irrelevancy, where they belong.

      • Old Gator - Oct 17, 2011 at 6:48 PM

        I suspect that the Borg will continue to use them as a marketing tool.

      • tashkalucy - Oct 17, 2011 at 8:41 PM

        ” It’s about time the Red Sox return to Irrelevancy, where they belong.”

        The Jays have passed them and the Blue jays will next year.

        The Red Sox and Yankees will be fighting for 3rd place in the AL East for at least the next 3-5 years.

      • ditto65 - Oct 17, 2011 at 9:27 PM

        The Jays and the Blue Jays? In the infamous words of ‘Bicepts: Clarify.

      • allzeroes - Oct 17, 2011 at 9:45 PM

        “The Jays have passed them and the Blue jays will next year.”

        I’m assuming you meant the Rays have passed them…it took a fluke collapse for the Rays to catch the Red Sox this year. How many times is something like that going to repeat, probably not very often…since if it did, it wouldn’t have been such big news this year.

        We’ll see about the Blue Jays. I think they are still a few seasons from competing with the other AL East teams that don’t reside in Baltimore.

    • tashkalucy - Oct 17, 2011 at 8:38 PM

      I don’t think this issue can be closed out until Jen, Kim and Paris weigh in on it.


  2. clydeserra - Oct 17, 2011 at 6:14 PM

    If only the Red Sox had a person on their team that could be a liaison between the manager and players. A veteran that is could have a personal relationship with pitchers and position players, a “Captain” if you will.

    That “Captain” could see his peers behaving badly and intervene. Of Course, if this “Captain” is playing every inning of every game, he may not notice, so maybe the “Captain” could be a guy who played, I don’t know, maybe 68 games during the season.

    If the Red Sox had a guy like that, maybe they would not have lost 72 (!) games.

    • bigharold - Oct 17, 2011 at 6:21 PM

      I was wondering when somebody was going to mention Capt Sucker Punch, .. er ..Intangibles.

      How much do you care to wage that Beckett just lost his personal caddy.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Oct 18, 2011 at 1:16 PM

      What they really need is a veteran guy, like Casey or Cora or Hinske. Their team was all middle-aged in terms of their careers. If only they had more guys at the end of their career, things would have been better.

      #Tek #Wakefield #Ortiz #Drew #Jenks #Cameron #Youk #Beckett #Lackey #Scutaro #Bedard #Wheeler #Miller

  3. APBA Guy - Oct 17, 2011 at 6:15 PM

    Lost in this is the broader discussion of baseball conditioning. I commented the other day the the great and powerful Beane believes that this the next area of value to pursue, that is, having better conditioned ballplayers. He believes having players conditioned more like English Premier League players (who look like our baseball players from the ’70’s) will produce gains in performance and durability. Certainly a couple of the A’s starters could use some conditioning. But if it works, then the Boston rotation will have to cut out the beer and fried chicken.

    • Old Gator - Oct 17, 2011 at 6:49 PM

      Our baseball players from the 70s included John Kruk and Mickey Lolich, remember?

      • The Baseball Idiot - Oct 17, 2011 at 8:02 PM

        Kruk was a rookie in 1986.

      • paperlions - Oct 17, 2011 at 8:04 PM

        I had no idea 1986 was in the 70’s.

      • Old Gator - Oct 17, 2011 at 8:26 PM

        That’s because you guys never stepped into a chronosynclastic infundibulum. Your loss. But yeah, duh-uhhh, vaporlock strikes when you least expect it. I meant Boog Powell – I was thinking of that old beer commercial with Powell and Jim Honicek when I wrote that.

        And I should have thrown in Jim Fregosi late in his career while I was at it.

      • Craig Calcaterra - Oct 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM

        Gator, if I didn’t already love you, your reference to “Sirens of Titan” would seal the deal.

      • natstowngreg - Oct 17, 2011 at 9:38 PM

        Boog Powell played for the Indians in 1975-76, when someone came up with the bright idea to have all-red road uniforms. Some writer said Boog looked like the world’s biggest Bloody Mary.

      • ditto65 - Oct 17, 2011 at 9:45 PM


  4. lovesmesomeme - Oct 17, 2011 at 6:33 PM

    I cannot ever in my 45 years recall such a public mess. This kind of activity has been going on since The Babe played,probably before. The airing of greviences is coming from up top. This is disgusting, the Sox are starting to look like a bunch chumps. The lovely thing about baseball is that on the 15th of Feburary all will be forgiven.

  5. franklapidus316 - Oct 17, 2011 at 6:37 PM

    that’s kind of the whole point lost in Popeye’s and Call of Duty jokes and No One Would Care If They Had Only Won Two More Games trenchant observations. Its about the insubordination and disrespect from guys making a fortune. It sounds more like an inevitable implosion at some point.

  6. 24missed - Oct 17, 2011 at 7:14 PM

    Good for Lester for showing up. It took a lot, obviously, to do this.

    These comments today w/ the Globe came from a phone call. There was no actual recording given, so even though there is more to follow tomorrow, who knows what Abraham left out? I tend to be very wary of some of these ‘stories’ these days, because things are taken out of context and quotes misleading.

    I’m not saying he’s a hero, by any means. A lot of regret is within him. At least he made that first step. And even though more ‘sources’ say otherwise, I don’t care. He took a step and looked at his role in this mess. Good for him.

    Just because he doesn’t say exactly what I would say or do exactly what I would do, doesn’t mean that his comments don’t count. If he gets tarred and feathered for taking responsibility, in any capacity, who else on the team would bother coming forward?

    • 18thstreet - Oct 18, 2011 at 9:27 AM

      I trust Pete Abraham. On the other hand, I’m annoyed at much of the rest of the Boston media. I don’t think the pitchers owe me (a Red Sox) fan any explanation. We all saw what they did on the field; the record speaks for itself.

      If they want to give interviews, it should be to clear their own reputations, not to apologize. There’s pretty much nothing the starters can say that will excuse how they pitched.

  7. 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Oct 17, 2011 at 7:19 PM

    This really is ridiculous. The team played awful baseball in September but because they happened to be drinking beer and eating chicken wings that becomes the main focus of their offseason. If this story had come out after they won the WS like everyone expected there wouldn’t be a team without a beer cooler and a deep fryer in the clubhouse for the 2012 season

  8. uyf1950 - Oct 18, 2011 at 5:57 AM

    The Red Sox story was news BEFORE this whole beer and fried chicken thing. It was news because a team that some estimated could win 100 games something they hadn’t done since 1946 and had only done a total of 3 times since 1900, didn’t even come close. It was news because they went 7-20 in September. It was news because they basically “fired” their manger who led them to 2 World Series Titles in 4 years. It was news because this Red Sox team that just a few months ago spent $300M on 2 players contracts to insure they would make the not only the post season but the World Series finished 3rd in the American League behind a team with a payroll 1/4 of theirs.
    Finally it’s continuing to be news not because of the beer and fried chicken thing but because no one in the organization is willing to “belly up to the bar” no pun intended and accept responsibility for why and how it happened. Other than to say “we just played bad baseball” in September. Well that part is obvious isn’t it.

  9. mauijim3 - Oct 18, 2011 at 6:54 AM

    Don’t stadiums stop serving alcohol after the 7th inning anyway?

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