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Yu Darvish to formally ask to be posted

Oct 19, 2011, 11:00 AM EDT

yu darvish in nippon uniform

It’s been long suspected that Japan’s best pitcher — Yu Darvish — would be posted by his NPB team this winter, thereby allowing Major League teams to bid on him.  Kyodo News in Japan has now confirmed through several sources that, yes, Darvish will formally ask for this after the postseason.

There will obviously be a lot of interest in Darvish, with the Blue Jays, Rangers and Yankees all having been reported to be considering a run at him, and no doubt many other teams will join in the fray.  How could they not when he has posted a 18-6 record in 28 starts with an ERA of 1.44 while striking out 276 batters in 232 innings?  Yes, there have been many busts among Japanese pitchers coming stateside, but Darvish seems like a cut above.

Meanwhile, Joel Sherman reports that people inside the Yankees organization or kinda bad-mouthing C.J. Wilson.  between that and the Darvish news, Wilson’s agent is probably gettin’ really mad today.

  1. aceshigh11 - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM

    Does he have a gyroball?

    Please, no Dice-K, Mach 2.

    • Kyle - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:22 AM

      For entertainment’s sake, I hope he’s a lot better.

    • moisking42 - Oct 19, 2011 at 9:46 PM

      No he has a 93 MPH fastball (up to 97, triple digits one time pitching in relief), a filthy slider/slurve, heavy breaking 2-seamer, a 12-6 curve, a changeup, a cutter, and a forkball.

      This isn’t Dice-K 2.0, he’s significantly better. He’s not as anal about pitching routines either, he doesn’t go through the same grueling off-day pen sessions that Matsuzaka did and he’s done well going on short rest before. Do your research, the only thing they have in common is Japanese blood, and Darvish only has half of that anyway.

  2. halladaysbiceps - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:06 AM

    I think the Phillies should get involved in the Yu Darvish sweepstakes. If the Phillies let Oswalt walk, we can replace his spot in the rotation with Darvish, which would make the rotation younger and keep the “4 aces” label intact.

    Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Darvish, Worley.

    • Clinton Manitoba - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:14 AM

      The Phillie’s print their own money?
      Surely Darvish/Fighters won’t take the cheese steak currency you use..

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:18 AM

        Sure. They have a currency printer in the basement at Citizens Bank Park. I thought everyone knew that.

        Cheese Steak currency? Seems Halladay and Lee liked our currency just fine.

        I also like the aspect of a mound visit to talk to Darvish by Ruiz and Charlie Manuel. The Phillies will need to hire a group of translators to intervene in that conversation.

      • Francisco (FC) - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:25 AM

        Doesn’t Charlie speak Japanese?

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:30 AM

        Yeah, Charlie does speak Japanese from his years over there. But, I can’t imagine he does that too well, given that he has a problem with his native English language. I think Darvish would be confused.

      • Clinton Manitoba - Oct 19, 2011 at 12:16 PM

        HB, you have convinced me that you do drugs.
        The usual biggest douche alive then all of the sudden, kind of funny and willing have fun at your teams expense.
        You either get high or we are looking at the fake HB again.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 19, 2011 at 12:22 PM

        Manitoba,

        I never get high. I just drink alot.

        I have always taken pot shots at my own team when warranted. If you read me throughout the year, I stayed pretty consistent. I ripped Fat Joe Blanton for his weight and always made fun of Charlie’s speech impediment.

    • uberfatty - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:22 AM

      Do they have the money though? Dice-K was $50m posting fee and $50m contract many years ago, and Darvish is supposedly better.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:26 AM

        Yeah, the Phillies do have the money. They will not be resigning Madson this year. And, if they let Jimmy Rollins walk (which I think is becoming more of a reality) they will even have more money to spend. We know the posting fee doesn’t count against the team salary, so they don’t have to worry about luxury tax territory. So, I think giving Yu 15 mil per year will get the job done.

    • phillyphreak - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:36 AM

      Save that 15 mil for Cole’s contract. Yea Oswalt is coming off the books but Lee’s salary jumps this season too. Pence is eligible for arbitration and Victorino’s salary goes up 2 million. With their need to get some higher OBP guys in the lineup (even for cheap dollars) it makes little sense to jump in this discussion.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:41 AM

        Ibanez and Lidge comes off the books as well. Rollins is a question mark to return. If Amaro does it right, he can obtain the bat(s) we need and make a run at Darvish.

        Sometimes it’s good to think outside of the box. And Amaro seems to do that well.

      • phillyphreak - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:49 AM

        But the point is that with Halladay Lee and Hamels, there isn’t much of a reason to go spend wildly on a pitcher who faces inferior competition in Japan. When RAJ went after Halladay and Lee these guys were proven stud pitchers, deserving of the money (mostly). If you want them to spend on a pitcher (which I don’t think they should) then let them go after CC if he opts out of is contract. Maybe even CJ Wilson….at least with those two you know what you’re getting.

        They’ll probably sign a closer for a nice chunk of change (which I hope isn’t too much money) and they should get better offensively before they get better in the pitching dept. The downfall of this team was the offense in the postseason.

      • phillyphreak - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:53 AM

        I’ll also add that I think Darvish has great stuff and is probably better than Wilson, but it wouldn’t be smart for the Phillies.

        Also, can we not make every thread a Phillies thread?

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:55 AM

        “Also, can we not make every thread a Phillies thread?”

        I assume you are joking with that comment. Correct?

      • phillyphreak - Oct 19, 2011 at 1:53 PM

        Well. You know what they say about assuming right…….

    • vintage1496 - Oct 19, 2011 at 12:22 PM

      Didn’t the Phillies learn this season that a team needs more than pitching to win? But yea, let your best hitter walk and sign another pitcher, let me know how that works out for you.

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 19, 2011 at 12:38 PM

        Jimmy Rollins is the Phillies best hitter? Are you joking? I’d take Pence, Victorino, Utley and Ruiz over Rollins hitting-wise any day.

        Rollins, besides his great glove, is a liability at the plate for the Phillies at this point. I don’t pay him the money he’s seeking and I put Freddy Galvis @ SS and take my chances there. I improve the offense via free agency.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Oct 19, 2011 at 12:38 PM

        I think the Phillies learned that when Cliff Lee blows a 4 run lead for the first time in his career they are in trouble. If that doesn’t happen all the talk about the bats is irrelevant.

  3. uyf1950 - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:16 AM

    Originally I was opposed to the Yankees being involved in any bidding process for Darvish. The more I think about it and with the “slim” pickings in this years FA class at the right price it could work. For me the “right” price (combined posting fee and contract) is 5 or 6 years max and $60 to $72M max. More then that and I’m not sure the rewards out weigh the risk. Assuming CC resigns a starting rotation of: CC, Nova, Darvish, Hughes and AJ sounds a heck of a lot better than CC, Nova, Hughes, AJ and Garcia (or some other starter yet to be named).

    I guess we’ll see soon enough how it all plays out.

  4. thejokewriter - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:17 AM

    A combination Worley-Darvish. Now that’s enough to make your head spin!

    • jya87 - Oct 20, 2011 at 1:41 AM

      I read this comment this morning, and had a good silent laugh at work. This comment was brilliant, and coming back to pay my dues.

  5. irishphilly87 - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:19 AM

    dude u embarass me if ur a phillies fan and making that suggestion. you see that we didnt hit inthe postseason right? that means the LINEUP NEEDS FIXING not pitching we got enough pitching. doc lee hamels worley we dont need anymore really good pitchers. i swear people are idiots with the suggestions they make on here

    • halladaysbiceps - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:29 AM

      Dude (lol), the Phillies can do both. By letting Rollins and Madson walk, along with Oswalt being let go, the Phillies can get the hitter they need plus Darvish. Look at the numbers. They work.

  6. Francisco (FC) - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:29 AM

    Probably true, on the other hand out of 19 ER giving up by the Phillies 10 of those were by Lee and Oswalt. The Line-up disappointed, but it’s hard not make a point that the starting staff didn’t deliver as was advertised as a whole in the NLDS. Of course two great Halladay starts and one great Hamels start should have been enough with a dependable offense.. alas…

    • irishphilly87 - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:46 AM

      it was expected that oswalt was gona have a rocky start. thats why i dont like him. in the posteason u can go all the way with 3 starters and a decent 4th starter that may have to pitch 1 or 2 games in total. worley is ummmm $16 mil cheaper than oswalt. anytime u have doc lee and hamels as ur 1 2 3 (the best 123 in baseball) than u got a chance to win it all. its all about timely hitting. the lineup needs to timely hit n it needs a couple adjustments. yu darvish isnt even on the phillies radar amaro jr is lookin and saying we need lineup help

  7. proudlycanadian - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:30 AM

    As some of you know, his parents were Japanese and Iranian. Can you see the marketing potential for baseball in the Iranian ex pat community because of him? There is an Iranian community in the Toronto area that would probably embrace him.

    • cur68 - Oct 19, 2011 at 1:58 PM

      Taking a break for ProPhillyTalk up there ^^, I quite agree with you PC. He’d fit in really well in Toronto the city, be a stud in the rotation and not have to live his life in a media fish bowl. A number of Japanese stars would have benefited from an easier introduction to MLB. Plus the girls are better looking in Canada.

      • proudlycanadian - Oct 19, 2011 at 2:58 PM

        For sure.

  8. shawnuel - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:31 AM

    Man, wouldn’t it be better for Darvish if he waited the 2 or 3 seasons until he was a true FA and had the ability to negotiate with many teams instead of just the one that posts him?

  9. bigleagues - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:32 AM

    Yes, there have been many busts among Japanese pitchers coming stateside, but Darvish seems like a cut above.

    The same was said about Daisuke Matsuzaka.

    Once bitten, twice shy.

    • kiwicricket - Oct 19, 2011 at 12:08 PM

      I was bitten once…certainly wasn’t shy twice….

  10. irishphilly87 - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:34 AM

    the phillies need to dump oswalt save the $16 million hes a waste of money. dont resign raul, buyout lidge for 1.5 mil. use all that money towards resigning hamels long term. madson is prolly gone. if jroll goes i really think this team has to really go after a legitimate leadoff guy. if thats not the scenario they want then scenario #2 is dont bring polanco back (i love himbut hes hurt too much) and get a power bat that can play 3B. some names that come to mind are youklis. the red sox are sick of him and maybe a fresh start in philly he could excel and really help this team so much. bottom line somethings gota happen and pitching isnt it. our pitchers are amazing but cliff lee needs to f******** win with a 4-0 lead when he gets paid $25 mil a year and that would have been a sweep of the cardinals because we won game 1 n game 3

    • phillyphreak - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:42 AM

      Polanco games played last 3 years :153, 132, 122
      Youkilis games played last 3 years: 136, 102, 120.

      I wouldn’t say that Youk is a healthy alternative at 3rd. And who would you give up to get him?

      You know what amazes me about the Cliff Lee 4 run thing? That Carpenter spotted the Phillies 4 runs in the first two innings but his offense helped him out. It would have been nice for the Phillies offense to do that for Cliff no? And for the record Lee only made 11 million this season sooooooo cut him some performance slack…..

      • irishphilly87 - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:54 AM

        cut him performance slack? i know he made 11 milthis year but from here on out he gets oer $25. and if ur offense puts up 4-0 for apparently a top 3 pitcher in baseball (ask espn ask foxsports ask hardballtalk) everyone says hes that good and says that hes a top of the line postseason performer than 4-0 should be an EASY WIN for him. look i know a guy is entitled to a bad game and i love cliff lee but damn…. if he did what should have been done then we win that series in a sweep. and it just annoyed me that everyone on local radio and all the idiots bashed ryan howard n made him the typical scapegoat when its not just howard, its the lineup, and cliff lee should have gotten alot of the blame and hedidnt get it thats all

  11. halladaysbiceps - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:48 AM

    I don’t think some of you guys realize how good Yu Darvish’ stuff is. Watch a little bit of this video of him pitching and you will see why I am adamant that the Phillies make a run at him:

    • irishphilly87 - Oct 19, 2011 at 11:57 AM

      ive known about yu darvish for 3 years and thats before we had doc and lee. now we dont need him bro. we need lineup help not another starter

      • halladaysbiceps - Oct 19, 2011 at 12:01 PM

        Why are you being so narrow-minded with your thinking here? Amaro can be creative and obtain both hitting and a pitcher such as Darvish if he does it right.

        I agree that the lineup is the first priority. But, that doesn’t mean they can’t do a signing of this degree as well.

    • minnesota32 - Oct 19, 2011 at 12:26 PM

      am i the only one who thinks his body looks like a high school kid? obviously he doesnt throw like one but I would still be nervous taking such a risk on spending so much money on a japanese player

    • Ben - Oct 19, 2011 at 12:31 PM

      Velocity isn’t everything, but that hardest pitch I saw thrown in that clip was 146km/hr, or a bit less than 91mph. He might not get chewed alive by MLB hitters, but if I’m spending 100 million on a pitcher the downside to a 91mph fastball is just too much of a risk. I’m willing to eat my words on this one though, maybe he’ll be great.

      • moisking42 - Oct 19, 2011 at 9:42 PM

        That was years ago, he gets as high as 97 these days. His average fastball is 93.22 MPH this year, which if I recall would be 15th in the MLB right behind King Felix.

        He’s different. His career ERA is nearly a full run lower than Dice-K’s (2.94 vs. 1.99, Darvish has has 5 seasons better than Dice-K’s best), both his parents have lived in the US so he’s had exposure to American culture, he’s like a rockstar in Japan and thrives in the spotlight so even New York wouldn’t faze him, he repeats his delivery well unlike Dice-K, and he has power stuff that will match up well against MLB hitters.

        Only the uninformed would totally doubt Darvish. I had concerns about Dice-K from day one (which is why I was glad to see him go to Boston) but Darvish is much different.

  12. dafixisin - Oct 19, 2011 at 12:15 PM

    I can understand how Philly and NYC fans can dominate the Darvish debate, ’cause their teams have got the kinda clams to bid on him. But I wouldn’t discount the Mariners to get in on this big time, via their silent 50% Japanese ownership. Though budget wise, the posting fee doesn’t work with the cost structure that Seattle seems to have in place, something tells me that Nintendo will front the posting fee portion. Darvish’s actual salary may end up being the only part that Jack Z will have to concern himself with.

    This guy is the perfect bridge from Ichiro for the M’s fanbase in Japan, which is no small thing. For all those teams that think this guy is DiceK 2.0, PLEASE don’t bid.

    Darvish would allow Jack Z some trade options in the team’s quest for more offense. Suddenly, Pineda becomes a possible trade piece, as would a James Paxton, etc. Even if they go the more expensive, free agency route, a potential lineup featuring King Felix, Pineda, Darvish, Paxton and Hultzen, are you kidding me?

    Still need serious sticks though; just ask Philly.

    • Francisco (FC) - Oct 19, 2011 at 2:02 PM

      a potential lineup featuring King Felix, Pineda, Darvish, Paxton and Hultzen, are you kidding me?

      I knew Seattle had problems with their offense but your solution is to have the Pitchers hitting? Damn.

  13. sasquash20 - Oct 19, 2011 at 2:53 PM

    The Phillies would be morons to go for more starting pitching. We need a 3rd baseman, a SS, and a 2nd baseman. There all old and or injury prone. Rollins wants 5 years and I don’t think they give it to him. You piss money away on a scumbag jap you help nothing. Oh and what do we do with replacing Howard the first 2 months? Is Mayberry ready for every day in left? Phillies have major issue they must face, thankfully starting pitching isn’t one of them. Of course locking Cole up is the single biggest thing they need to do.

  14. pisano - Oct 20, 2011 at 12:22 AM

    All I can say is the reputation of the Asian pitchers precedes him, and most aren’t worth a shit, and the few good ones don’t last their contracts.The owners will screw themselves trying to out bid each other and this pitcher will be laughing all the way to the bank. Does Kei Igawa, Dice-k and Hideki Irabu bring back fond memories? The Yankees, of all the teams should stay away from this guy.

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