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C.J. Wilson achieves a rare and dubious feat

Oct 20, 2011, 8:20 AM EDT

Texas Rangers starting pitcher C.J. Wilson faces the St. Louis Cardinals in the 1st inning of Game 1 of MLB's World Series baseball championship in St. Louis

I presume it’s rare. I couldn’t think of anyone else who has done it, and I’m not exactly sure how to research it without sifting through 100 box scores I don’t feel like sifting through right now. But C.J. Wilson‘s loss last night means that in 2011 he lost (a) the All-Star Game; (b) a Division Series game; (c) a League Championship Series game; and (d) a World Series game.

Maybe there are several who did it. I don’t know. But usually you don’t get to play in all three rounds of the playoffs if your ace — and he has to be your ace, does he not, if he pitched in the All-Star Game — loses lots in the playoffs.

Significance: zero. Just kind of neat.

  1. frankvzappa - Oct 20, 2011 at 8:34 AM

    That’s because Wilson isn’t an ace, even if he is in some of the same categories as real aces. I prefer to think of him as an overachiever having a couple decent years on a good ballclub. He will burn out next year and return to mediocrity.

    • kopy - Oct 20, 2011 at 9:00 AM

      He might not fit your definition of an ace, but it’s tough to just say that “Wilson isn’t an ace” when there’s no actual definition of what ace is, other than a really good pitcher. That’s like saying Pujols is a “slugger” but Cruz isn’t.

      • dohpey28 - Oct 20, 2011 at 9:41 AM

        Actually I consider Cruz a slugger, but Pujols is a better player then a slugger. A slugger being a player whos game is primarily built around the home run. Pujols is a much better player then that. Cruz is the prototype slugger.

        Oh and Wilson is not an ace.

      • kopy - Oct 20, 2011 at 9:50 AM

        But who says a slugger is a player whose game is primarily built around the home run? The Silver Slugger award is given to the best offensive player at each position – home runs only being a part of the equation. Joe Mauer has 4 of them. In 3 of those slugger-winning years he hit 13, 9, and 9 home runs.

  2. purnellmeagrejr - Oct 20, 2011 at 8:42 AM

    good column …always enjoyed anomalies of that nature.

  3. bigleagues - Oct 20, 2011 at 8:44 AM

    Wait, where is today’s Poultry Posse story?

  4. Detroit Michael - Oct 20, 2011 at 8:45 AM

    No one else has done this.

    Since the division series level of playoffs were added until this season, only Brad Lidge (2008) and Al Leiter (2000) lost the all-star game and pitched in the World Series and neither of them lost a game in each level of the post-season.

    • aceshigh11 - Oct 20, 2011 at 9:39 AM

      Well, then…congratulations, C.J. Wilson!! Whoo!!

      Or, er…something.

  5. Francisco (FC) - Oct 20, 2011 at 8:46 AM

    Aces are no guarantee of anything anyway. Ask the Phillies. That NLDS series sure felt like the Phillies were holding pocket Aces whit the Cardinals holding pocket 9s. Then the flop proceeded to show another 9 and some other meaningless cards.

    • cur68 - Oct 20, 2011 at 10:13 AM

      Meaningless Cards? You must mean Dotel. He’s always a thin playing card away from a flop.

  6. jjjjshabado - Oct 20, 2011 at 8:46 AM

    This actually isn’t that hard to research as we only have to go back to 1995 for the superfecta. Looking at the All-Star Game losers, there are only 3 who went to the World Series. Brad Lidge 2008, Roger Clemens 2004, and Al Leiter 2000.

    2010 – Phil Hughes – Lost 2 ALCS Games
    2009 – Heath Bell – Not in Postseason
    2008 – Brad Lidge – No Postseason Losses
    2007 – Chris Young – Not in Postseason
    2006 – Trevor Hoffman – No Postseason Losses
    2005 – John Smoltz – Not in Postseason
    2004 – Roger Clemens – No Postseason Losses
    2003 – Eric Gagne – Not in Postseason
    2002 – Tied All-Star Game
    2001 – Chan Ho Park – Not in Postseason
    2000 – Al Leiter – Lost in World Series
    1999 – Curt Schilling – Not in Postseason
    1998 – Ugueth Urbina – Not in Postseason
    1997 – Shawn Estes – No Postseason Losses
    1996 – Charles Nagy – Lost in ALDS
    1995 – Steve Ontiveros – Not in Postseason

    • jjjjshabado - Oct 20, 2011 at 8:49 AM

      Or what Detroit Michael said. I got 2004 and 2005 confused. It’s Leiter and Lidge.

    • hotkarlsandwich - Oct 20, 2011 at 9:18 AM

      Brad Lidge lost the game in 2005 when he gave up the monster home run to Pujols in Game 5 NLCS. How could anyone forget that game?

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2005_NLCS.shtml

      • hotkarlsandwich - Oct 20, 2011 at 9:19 AM

        Lidge also lost games 2 and 4 of the world series
        http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2005_WS.shtml

      • Francisco (FC) - Oct 20, 2011 at 9:44 AM

        What’s your point? Lidge didn’t lose the All Star game in 2005, he lost it in 2008. Different years. We’re searching for Pitchers who’ve lost the AS game and at least 1 game in an LDS, LCS and WS. All in the same year.

  7. Lukehart80 - Oct 20, 2011 at 8:53 AM

    No one else has turned this trick. Josh Beckett pulled the reverse in 2007, winning the All-Star Game and at least once in each round of the playoffs.

    • Lukehart80 - Oct 20, 2011 at 8:54 AM

      As did John Smoltz in 1996.

      • aceshigh11 - Oct 20, 2011 at 9:37 AM

        I love the internet! Thanks for the research, guys! Great stuff.

  8. nlfan865 - Oct 20, 2011 at 8:54 AM

    This postseason seams to ball all about the Bullpens…

  9. nyetjones - Oct 20, 2011 at 9:04 AM

    Ah, BUT – Tom Glavine pulled it off to the best of his ability in 1992, losing the All-Star game, 2 NLCS games and a WS game. There were no LDS games for him to lose, of course.

    • nyetjones - Oct 20, 2011 at 9:24 AM

      He was 20-8 with a 2.76 ERA (2.94 FIP) with 4.8 fWAR (not including his hitting, which was impressively 1.1 fWAR) that year. Wilson was 16-7 with a 2.94 ERA (3.24 FIP, 3.41 xFIP) and 5.9 fWAR this year. I don’t know if that makes them “aces,” but sometimes good pitchers lose games with bad timing. Or, “get the loss,” I suppose.

  10. proudlycanadian - Oct 20, 2011 at 9:33 AM

    For a sterling record like that and experience in pressure situations, someone has to step up and pay him the big free agent bucks.

  11. The Rabbit - Oct 20, 2011 at 9:42 AM

    But… in the days before division playoffs, you have Mort Cooper of the Cardinals.
    He was the losing pitcher in both the 1942 and 1943 All Star Games and was a losing starting pitcher in both the 1942 and 1943 World Series.

    FYI-In 1942, Cooper led the NL in wins (22), shutouts (10) and ERA (1.78) and was NL MVP. In 1943, Cooper was tied for the most wins in the NL with 21.

    • kiwicricket - Oct 20, 2011 at 10:28 AM

      A 1.78ERA, 10 shutouts…. and only 22 victories accredited towards him personally?
      The guy didn’t know how to win.

      • cur68 - Oct 20, 2011 at 10:31 AM

        But he seems have had grit.

  12. El Bravo - Oct 20, 2011 at 10:47 AM

    Nice job ladies and gents. This is one of those few columns that I read and actually learned more in the comments than the original post. So, congrats, well done, and man, aren’t you all a bunch of nerds.

    • cur68 - Oct 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM

      Hey! I’m here for the boobz. Nothing more.

      • El Bravo - Oct 20, 2011 at 12:17 PM

        Come for the baseball stay for the boobz.

  13. theonlynolan - Oct 20, 2011 at 11:57 AM

    The only other pitcher to start the all-star game and game 1 of the world series and lose both is Doc Ellis in 1971…no word on if he was tripping balls or not at the time.

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