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	<title>Comments on: The Orioles are going back to the cartoon bird</title>
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		<title>By: dowhatifeellike</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/28/the-orioles-are-going-back-to-the-cartoon-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-216602</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dowhatifeellike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s about time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s about time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Lansing</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/28/the-orioles-are-going-back-to-the-cartoon-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-216400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan Lansing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 10:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Throwback, schmowback. What if- and this may be controversial, even impossible- but what if some team came up with a completely new logo and color scheme? What if they said, &quot;Hey, we&#039;ve got a rich history, but it wasn&#039;t the logo that won that World Series trophy way back when. It was players who have been retired for twenty years or more. Let&#039;s move forward and give today&#039;s eight-year-old fans something different to be nostalgic about in twenty years.&quot; 

It wouldn&#039;t work for the Dodgers or Yankees, but the Orioles have nothing to lose by trying something new. And for the record, and at the risk of a lot of thumbs down, I like the new Marlins logo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Throwback, schmowback. What if- and this may be controversial, even impossible- but what if some team came up with a completely new logo and color scheme? What if they said, &#8220;Hey, we&#8217;ve got a rich history, but it wasn&#8217;t the logo that won that World Series trophy way back when. It was players who have been retired for twenty years or more. Let&#8217;s move forward and give today&#8217;s eight-year-old fans something different to be nostalgic about in twenty years.&#8221; </p>
<p>It wouldn&#8217;t work for the Dodgers or Yankees, but the Orioles have nothing to lose by trying something new. And for the record, and at the risk of a lot of thumbs down, I like the new Marlins logo.</p>
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		<title>By: 8man</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/28/the-orioles-are-going-back-to-the-cartoon-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-216322</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[8man]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 02:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Totally agree.  I like what they have here.  Oriole Park is still a helluva bargain and great venue to see Major League Baseball.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree.  I like what they have here.  Oriole Park is still a helluva bargain and great venue to see Major League Baseball.</p>
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		<title>By: brewcrewfan54</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brewcrewfan54]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The White Sox should go back to wearing shorts and collared jerseys.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The White Sox should go back to wearing shorts and collared jerseys.</p>
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		<title>By: tomtravis76</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/28/the-orioles-are-going-back-to-the-cartoon-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-216303</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tomtravis76]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just use all the uniform styles. They will sell more merch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just use all the uniform styles. They will sell more merch.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ MC</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/28/the-orioles-are-going-back-to-the-cartoon-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-216302</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DJ MC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, I said it IS associated with winning baseball.

Second, I said 1989 was the year, not 1988.

If you really want to attack an opinion, especially when you attack the author, please have your facts straight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I said it IS associated with winning baseball.</p>
<p>Second, I said 1989 was the year, not 1988.</p>
<p>If you really want to attack an opinion, especially when you attack the author, please have your facts straight.</p>
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		<title>By: kirkdouglasblog</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/28/the-orioles-are-going-back-to-the-cartoon-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-216284</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kirkdouglasblog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Not associated with winning baseball?&quot;....

Say WHAT?

Six world series trips, 3 consecutive with regular season records of 109, 108, and 102 wins, 19 straight winning seasons (2nd all-time at the time).  Year after year after year of being right in the hunt of EVERY divisional race right to the end.

Have you lost your mind?  When you saw the Orioles take the field wearing that hat, all you thought about was champions and pride.

And 1988 as the best &quot;non-championship season?&quot;  Again, &quot;are you nuts?&quot;

What about 1980 when they won 100 games, yet couldn&#039;t get the Yankees?

What about 1982 when they came ROARING back from so far back, and in the final 4 game series and came oh so close to catching the Brewers?

Not associated with champions?

You sir are NOT a T-R-U-E Orioles fan.

Go Birds, and go &quot;CHAMPION-associated&quot; cartoon bird.

The look of the REAL Orioles are back!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not associated with winning baseball?&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Say WHAT?</p>
<p>Six world series trips, 3 consecutive with regular season records of 109, 108, and 102 wins, 19 straight winning seasons (2nd all-time at the time).  Year after year after year of being right in the hunt of EVERY divisional race right to the end.</p>
<p>Have you lost your mind?  When you saw the Orioles take the field wearing that hat, all you thought about was champions and pride.</p>
<p>And 1988 as the best &#8220;non-championship season?&#8221;  Again, &#8220;are you nuts?&#8221;</p>
<p>What about 1980 when they won 100 games, yet couldn&#8217;t get the Yankees?</p>
<p>What about 1982 when they came ROARING back from so far back, and in the final 4 game series and came oh so close to catching the Brewers?</p>
<p>Not associated with champions?</p>
<p>You sir are NOT a T-R-U-E Orioles fan.</p>
<p>Go Birds, and go &#8220;CHAMPION-associated&#8221; cartoon bird.</p>
<p>The look of the REAL Orioles are back!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: WhenMattStairsIsKing</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WhenMattStairsIsKing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You mean this?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RPowyn_3qI4/S9htOKHcWdI/AAAAAAAAAOg/EU1pAB8swqM/s1600/astros+retro.jpg

I love ugly uniforms, man.  

Though this is a separate point from Baltimore - I love that they&#039;re bringing the bird back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean this?</p>
<p><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RPowyn_3qI4/S9htOKHcWdI/AAAAAAAAAOg/EU1pAB8swqM/s1600/astros+retro.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RPowyn_3qI4/S9htOKHcWdI/AAAAAAAAAOg/EU1pAB8swqM/s1600/astros+retro.jpg</a></p>
<p>I love ugly uniforms, man.  </p>
<p>Though this is a separate point from Baltimore &#8211; I love that they&#8217;re bringing the bird back.</p>
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		<title>By: gostros19</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/28/the-orioles-are-going-back-to-the-cartoon-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-216211</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gostros19]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 19:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now when will the Astros go back to the navy and gold?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now when will the Astros go back to the navy and gold?</p>
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		<title>By: b7p19</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[b7p19]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are wrong on every level.  There is no question the white panel cartoon hat is the O&#039;s best option.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are wrong on every level.  There is no question the white panel cartoon hat is the O&#8217;s best option.</p>
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		<title>By: rwjk</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/28/the-orioles-are-going-back-to-the-cartoon-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-216187</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rwjk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CHANGE. YES WE CAN]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CHANGE. YES WE CAN</p>
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		<title>By: milemarker17</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[milemarker17]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t stop with the cartoon bird and white panel. Give us the period mesh back, too.  I never thought the white panel looked bad, but I do think the black hat/orange brim truly looks like hell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t stop with the cartoon bird and white panel. Give us the period mesh back, too.  I never thought the white panel looked bad, but I do think the black hat/orange brim truly looks like hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex K</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/28/the-orioles-are-going-back-to-the-cartoon-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-216165</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The white panel on that hat is great looking. That&#039;s not said sarcastically, either. I really like it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The white panel on that hat is great looking. That&#8217;s not said sarcastically, either. I really like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Panda Claus</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/28/the-orioles-are-going-back-to-the-cartoon-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-216161</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Panda Claus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The white panel was a 1980&#039;s copycat theme that the Braves, Twins, Orioles and probably 5-6 other teams used.  Typically it began as a new approach to hats, then was quickly run into the ground.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The white panel was a 1980&#8242;s copycat theme that the Braves, Twins, Orioles and probably 5-6 other teams used.  Typically it began as a new approach to hats, then was quickly run into the ground.</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pro cartoon, cake and women with a pulse willing to talk to me (or willing to do anything else for that matter). More cartoon logos, please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pro cartoon, cake and women with a pulse willing to talk to me (or willing to do anything else for that matter). More cartoon logos, please.</p>
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		<title>By: paulsdamnblog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paulsdamnblog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hate the O&#039;s.  Love the hat though.  Glad they&#039;re bring it back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate the O&#8217;s.  Love the hat though.  Glad they&#8217;re bring it back.</p>
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		<title>By: stinkfist5</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/28/the-orioles-are-going-back-to-the-cartoon-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-216129</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stinkfist5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And it looks sweet! I&#039;m alllll for the white pane.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it looks sweet! I&#8217;m alllll for the white pane.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/28/the-orioles-are-going-back-to-the-cartoon-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-216127</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beats the crap out of the Marlins new hat that&#039;s for sure]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beats the crap out of the Marlins new hat that&#8217;s for sure</p>
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		<title>By: sjs1959</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sjs1959]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want the bird but no white panel.  By the way, Matt Wieters has caught wearing the old helmet with the cartoon bird for some time now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want the bird but no white panel.  By the way, Matt Wieters has caught wearing the old helmet with the cartoon bird for some time now.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a huge fan of the black and orange color scheme, and I really like all the different variations of O&#039;s hats. I&#039;d vote to avoid committing to any one single style.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a huge fan of the black and orange color scheme, and I really like all the different variations of O&#8217;s hats. I&#8217;d vote to avoid committing to any one single style.</p>
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		<title>By: kopy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kopy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m pro-cartoon.  Needing your team name and logo to be intimidating is for little kids, or (North) Americans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pro-cartoon.  Needing your team name and logo to be intimidating is for little kids, or (North) Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ MC</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/28/the-orioles-are-going-back-to-the-cartoon-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-216114</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DJ MC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me be the first Orioles fan to oppose the cartoon Bird.

It is a relic of a different era. People in Baltimore associate that hat with their youth and winning baseball, and thus are willing to ignore two simple facts:

1) That is the same logo that was thrown out after the 1988 season, the nadir of a five-year collapse from championship to 107 losses. The first version of the present &quot;real&quot; bird came for the 1989 season, which many fans consider the best non-championship season in franchise history. So any belief that the hat is somehow connected to winning is false, at best. At worst, it is simply an attempt to try and play on those associations to sell a few hats.

2) It&#039;s ugly. Worse, rumors around town are that the team may bring back the white-paneled hat, which might be the ugliest hat in baseball history.

I&#039;m stunned that, as many of our own fans that consider the Orioles a joke, let alone people around baseball, some would see this as a step in the other direction.

I&#039;m all for a new logo and, even simply perceived, a &quot;new start&quot;. But it should be something new, not this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me be the first Orioles fan to oppose the cartoon Bird.</p>
<p>It is a relic of a different era. People in Baltimore associate that hat with their youth and winning baseball, and thus are willing to ignore two simple facts:</p>
<p>1) That is the same logo that was thrown out after the 1988 season, the nadir of a five-year collapse from championship to 107 losses. The first version of the present &#8220;real&#8221; bird came for the 1989 season, which many fans consider the best non-championship season in franchise history. So any belief that the hat is somehow connected to winning is false, at best. At worst, it is simply an attempt to try and play on those associations to sell a few hats.</p>
<p>2) It&#8217;s ugly. Worse, rumors around town are that the team may bring back the white-paneled hat, which might be the ugliest hat in baseball history.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m stunned that, as many of our own fans that consider the Orioles a joke, let alone people around baseball, some would see this as a step in the other direction.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for a new logo and, even simply perceived, a &#8220;new start&#8221;. But it should be something new, not this.</p>
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		<title>By: stinkfist5</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stinkfist5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes!]]></description>
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