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Report: Phillies never had agreement with Ryan Madson; Nationals interested?

Nov 9, 2011, 4:22 PM EST

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This Ryan Madson situation is getting weird.

Last night Madson was said to be signing a four-year, $44 million deal with the Phillies, but this morning several reports said the deal was on hold because ownership had yet to sign off and now Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com says the two sides never actually had an agreement.

And according to Rosenthal the Nationals “could jump in” and make a play for Madson if his deal (or near-deal) with the Phillies falls apart.

That seems odd, since Washington has a young minimum-salaried closer in Drew Storen and Tyler Clippard is an elite setup man, but perhaps general manager Mike Rizzo is still shopping one of his relievers for a center fielder (Denard Span of the Twins, for example) and views Madson as an expensive replacement.

  1. drmonkeyarmy - Nov 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM

    This is the kind of stuff the Nationals should not do. As the author mentioned, they have good, young, and cheap bullpen arms.

    • natstowngreg - Nov 9, 2011 at 7:02 PM

      Exactly what I’ve been trying to get Bicepts to understand the past few days. The only way acquiring a back-end bullpen guy makes sense is if Storen or Clippard is traded. Even then, $11 million a year average for Madson? Yikes.

      Still, that little voice in the back of my head keeps saying, Rizzo might just do it. Gives me a headache.

      • Ari Collins - Nov 9, 2011 at 7:14 PM

        Voices in the back of your head can give you a headache if you don’t let them to the front every once in a while.

  2. drmonkeyarmy - Nov 9, 2011 at 4:32 PM

    Rosenthal has tweeted numerous differing things about this deal. Why should I believe anything he says about this topic?

  3. Jonny 5 - Nov 9, 2011 at 4:40 PM

    Maybe Amaro enjoys screwing with Scott Boras? I would.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Nov 9, 2011 at 4:46 PM

      Or maybe they realized the only way to sign Fielder and Pujlos is if they let Madson go.

      • phukyouk - Nov 9, 2011 at 5:47 PM

        you said and….

      • firedude7160 - Nov 9, 2011 at 7:25 PM

        Yeah, that “and” could mean so many things…

      • bravojawja - Nov 10, 2011 at 9:45 AM

        “and” means the Phillies are moving to the AL instead of Houston so they can use Fielder as their DH. Quite noble of them, really.

  4. ame123 - Nov 9, 2011 at 4:43 PM

    1. Boras leaks the numbers to Heyman.

    2. Looks like a fool when deal isn’t in fact happening.

    3. Reaches for plan B – the NATS scare tactic!

    • drmonkeyarmy - Nov 9, 2011 at 4:46 PM

      Probably the most likely scenario.

  5. Francisco (FC) - Nov 9, 2011 at 5:10 PM

    I still stand by my comment that bicepts went beserk and read Amaro the riot act. XD

  6. Francisco (FC) - Nov 9, 2011 at 5:14 PM

    Or Johnny 5 is right; while we’re watching the (non)-Deal for Ryan Madson, Amaro the Ninja is finalizing the touches on acquiring [insert fantastic FA of your choice]

    • ame123 - Nov 9, 2011 at 5:18 PM

      JosAnathon ReyPelbon.

      • Francisco (FC) - Nov 9, 2011 at 5:19 PM

        Wow! That’s awesome. So from SS he moves to the mound in the 9th?

      • cur68 - Nov 9, 2011 at 5:33 PM

        Then injures his hammy while staring intently in for the sign.

  7. halladaysbiceps - Nov 9, 2011 at 5:24 PM

    Rosenthal is a midget (both mentally and in height). He is always reporting disinformation. Believe nothing that comes out of his mouth.

    • Ari Collins - Nov 9, 2011 at 5:58 PM

      He reports rumors. Most of them turn out to either be untrue or simply a rumor of interest that wasn’t enough to get the player to the team. That’s the nature of rumors.

  8. Ari Collins - Nov 9, 2011 at 5:34 PM

    “The Phillies may have decided to wait until the collective bargaining agreement is finalized before completing the proposed deal with Madson, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (on Twitter).” (Per MLBTR.)

    If that’s true, the collective bargaining agreement may be finalized quite soon and this would move forward. Of course, given some time to listen to the backlash over the deal, the Phillies may back out anyway.

    • halladaysbiceps - Nov 9, 2011 at 5:39 PM

      This is correct. It makes no sense for any team to make a major signing until they know what the the luxury tax will be or the compensation of players via draft slotting.

      My guess is there is no major signings until this is addressed.

  9. kinggw - Nov 9, 2011 at 8:09 PM

    Please let this be a nasty rumor, we already have one overpaid, underachieving ex Phillie in DC. We definitely dont need another.

    • 78mu - Nov 9, 2011 at 9:59 PM

      Jayson Werth is wondering who you are talking about.

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